Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-08 Thread Luis Menina
Wolter Hellmund a écrit : I suggest that a new component in the GNOME bug database is created that corresponds to the purpose of innovating GNOME. This way, the people who are not serious about suggesting ideas to implement will be avoided at a big percentage; the people who will contribute with

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-08 Thread Wolter Hellmund
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 01:40 +0200, Luis Menina wrote: > Wolter Hellmund a écrit : > > In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project > > entitled GNOME Innovation > > Hi, > I'm going to summarize why I am strongly against that proposal. My > reflexion is based on what I s

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-08 Thread Jud Craft
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Luis Menina wrote: > 7. Who would do the work ? As someone already explained, this is not how > things work in a community. The ones who decide are not the ones who want, > but the ones who actually do the job. I do agree with most of your points, with this caveat:

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-07 Thread Luis Menina
Andre Klapper a écrit : On a related note: What I agree with is that GNOME is missing a kind of bazaar where people can post their ideas (that do not cover one existing application) and find other people willing to work on it. Wouldn't the wiki be a good place for that ? One could just subscrib

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-07 Thread Luis Menina
Wolter Hellmund a écrit : In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project entitled GNOME Innovation Hi, I'm going to summarize why I am strongly against that proposal. My reflexion is based on what I saw in Mandriva's equivalent to Ubuntu brainstorm. 1. This creates n

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation - Resolution

2009-10-03 Thread Wolter Hellmund
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 18:39 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: > Wolter, > > While I think this is an interesting idea, I don't thing your email > below is necessarily the right way to approach this. > > When you say "you" below - whom are you referring to? GNOME is a > distributed project with hundreds

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation - Resolution

2009-10-03 Thread Paul Cutler
Wolter, While I think this is an interesting idea, I don't thing your email below is necessarily the right way to approach this. When you say "you" below - whom are you referring to? GNOME is a distributed project with hundreds of volunteers all over the world. What infrastructure would be used

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation - Resolution

2009-10-03 Thread Wolter Hellmund
Because this proposal has been already widely discussed previously in this mailing list, I request the resolution of it. But before you take a side, I suggest you to read all the comments on this project proposal. I would like to remember you all that this project is not supposed to replace the cu

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-02 Thread Jud Craft
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > ...so Bugsquad and developers move it to the correct product. > Happens sometimes and will always happen. > In this context I don't see an argument related to this discussion. I'm of the opinion voiced by Johannes. An intimidating issue submi

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-02 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Am Freitag, den 02.10.2009, 12:00 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: > ...so Bugsquad and developers move it to the correct product. > Happens sometimes and will always happen. > In this context I don't see an argument related to this discussion. I disagree here. Assuming you go to b.g.o and click

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-02 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2009, 20:20 -0400 schrieb Jud Craft: > There is one good reason why this is a good idea: GNOME's support > system is too compartmentalized. > > This shows up all the time in bug reports. People have no idea which > component to file against (for particularly tricky situa

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-01 Thread Wolter Hellmund
Mr. Craft, I think you've hit one of the most important points in favor of the GNOME Innovation Project, and I thank you for that. It is indeed a quest for the user to file a bug report. The system is not very friendly with people who use their computer for simple tasks such as email, web browsing

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-01 Thread Jud Craft
There is one good reason why this is a good idea: GNOME's support system is too compartmentalized. This shows up all the time in bug reports. People have no idea which component to file against (for particularly tricky situations, even developers have to do some investigation before they arrive

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-10-01 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:37 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > > The project is intended to use a Brainstorm System, which is already > > provided by > > IdeaTorrent. It is already implemented in successful projects such as Ubuntu > > Brains

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
When we were having discussions on version control systems, one of the ideas that I had thrown out for a git/bzr over a centralized version control was that fact that we could branch all of GNOME on an experimental branch and create a bazaar for ideas. A lot of times in this mailing list we get b

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Wolter Hellmund
Well, thanks a lot Brian for the good prospect. You did mention yourself a couple of arguments I forgot in my last reply. For those of you who misunderstood the idea of Innovation, and why it is not the same thing as bugzilla but with votes, here is my explanation: The idea behind Innovation is n

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 30.09.2009, 12:20 -0600 schrieb Wolter Hellmund: > In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project > entitled GNOME Innovation in HTML format for easier comprehension. On a related note: What I agree with is that GNOME is missing a kind of bazaar where peopl

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 13:11 -0600, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > Well, I am really sorry for using HTML. I thought it would be liked. Ups. Sorry if I was too mean. I'm just somehow old-style person who still uses USENET ;) AFAIK HTML in email is not liked very much among at least some old-style people

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Brian Cameron
Wolter: I think your graphic flowchart is a good start. However, a lot of GNOME modules do not really have active maintainers. To date, I think the community has dealt with that problem in an ad hoc manner. However, if we are going to formalize how such a process works, then I think i would b

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Wolter Hellmund
Well, I am really sorry for using HTML. I thought it would be liked. Well, there is no data indicating that Ubuntu Brainstorm works better than filing enhancement bugs, for that takes the elaboration of an investigation I am not prepared to launch. As far as I know, there is no user-accessible nu

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 13:57 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:40 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:20 -0600, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > I am a new member of the GNOME contributors community. > > > > > > In the following messa

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:40 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:20 -0600, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I am a new member of the GNOME contributors community. > > > > In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project > > entitled GNOME In

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:20 -0600, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > Greetings, > > I am a new member of the GNOME contributors community. > > In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project > entitled GNOME Innovation in HTML format for easier comprehension. > Please use ASCII. S

Re: Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Wolter Hellmund wrote: > The project is intended to use a Brainstorm System, which is already provided > by > IdeaTorrent. It is already implemented in successful projects such as Ubuntu > Brainstorm, SourceForge.net and others. Is there any data indicating that

Project Proposal: GNOME Innovation

2009-09-30 Thread Wolter Hellmund
Greetings, I am a new member of the GNOME contributors community. In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project entitled GNOME Innovation in HTML format for easier comprehension.