On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:31 -0500, Christopher Aillon wrote:
On 01/13/2006 04:40 PM, Murray Cumming wrote:
Yes, any spec would need to be supported by the major players. If GNOME
and KDE follow it, there's no reason to think that Firefox and
OpenOffice wouldn't. And Firefox uses GTK+
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 22:38 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:23 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell too),
but not on disk. I'm
fre, 13 01 2006 kl. 15:00 +0100, skrev Stanislav Brabec:
Frederic Crozat wrote:
The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
admin people) but shell scripts..
Well, we no longer translate Desktop
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Jeff Waugh wrote:
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:50 +1100
From: Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: My Folders [Re: Special folders in gnome]
quote who=Alan Horkan
Microsoft have finally [1] said they will drop the patronising my
In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
* Templates need to be called Templates, I think it is nautilus that
requires this. It is not
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 09:21 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
snip
I don't have a perfect solution. But one (not totaly sucky) solution
could be a solution where special folders are defined in a gconf-setting
(system/gnome/folders/Pictures are set to the path to the Pictures
folder, or a list of
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf defined
would be perfect for desktop/network administrators). Let's do it for
Mattias Eriksson wrote:
In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
Also bear in mind that Vista has a standard set of VFolders for
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that we need a solution for this (something GConf defined
would be
Murray Cumming wrote:
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that we need a solution for this
quote who=Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that we need a solution for this
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 11:37 +0100 skrev Murray Cumming:
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly agree that
Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Nautilus already has a special folder heuristics - ~/Desktop is
displayed with a different icon.
Let's enhance this, make special icons for them and Add Real name in
Properties.
Perhaps is it the occasion for giving the emblems a real meaning : each
emblem could
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
reached then. I hope it will be different this time.
I strongly
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:52 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I know that this have been discussed in the past, but no solution was
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:14 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:52 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 11:37 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 21:29 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Mattias Eriksson
I
Frederic Crozat wrote:
The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
admin people) but shell scripts..
Well, we no longer translate Desktop anymore in the latest version of
GTK File selector.
What about a
Hi !
By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell too),
but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an Apple
box. Maybe it's a filesytem thing.
No, you're right, they only translate in the UI. In the shell, or with
an ssh connexion, you see the
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell
too),
but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an
Apple
box. Maybe it's a filesytem thing.
Maybe being a realist here, but we don't currently
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
Frederic Crozat wrote:
The shell is strange, and always will be, whatever we do.
Problem is not really shell by itself (well, it can be for support /
admin people) but shell scripts..
Well, we no longer
Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
What about a compromise - translate GTK+/Nautilus bookmarks, something
like places:// but not folder names in /home/user. We do it for Desktop
already, and it seems that nobody complains about it.
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:41 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 15:00 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
What about a compromise - translate GTK+/Nautilus bookmarks, something
like places:// but not folder names in /home/user. We
Frederic Crozat wrote:
- Not translate folder names in filesystem
- Translate them in File selector and Nautilus bookmarks
I'm still seeing an inconsistency in the file browser. I think they
should be translated there too and not displayed as english folder (same
as Apple).
We already
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 16:15 +0100, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
Frederic Crozat wrote:
- Not translate folder names in filesystem
- Translate them in File selector and Nautilus bookmarks
I'm still seeing an inconsistency in the file browser. I think they
should be translated
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
it's because they are not using a GNOME program.
Users are not stupid, but that is just my
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 09:21 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
In gnome we currently have a situation where some folders are special,
like Templates, Pictures and Music. Those are user visible folders that
in some case have the folder names hard coded in English.
This made me think of something
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 16:59 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
it's because they are not using a
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:19 +0100
From: Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: Special folders in gnome
Frederic Crozat wrote:
- Not translate folder names
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
But if an application's (non-GTK+, non-Qt) file chooser doesn't
translate it, the effect is only that a Chinese person sees an English
folder name. Not the end of the world.
I don't agree with you. I think it is very
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:10 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell
too),
but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an
Apple
box. Maybe it's a
Alan Horkan wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:19 +0100
From: Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: Special folders in gnome
Frederic Crozat wrote:
- Not translate
On 1/13/06, Mattias Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not translating the on disk folder will result in a strange behavior for
users of both gnome and non-gnome applications. For those users the
folder name would be in english in one application and in their native
language in another
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, HC Brugmans wrote:
Name=My Pictures
^^^
Microsoft have finally [1] said they will drop the patronising my
prefix. I hope you were using it only for example.
I'd much prefer if we could have
~/Documents/
/Templates/
/Pictures/
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:23 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2006 à 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming a écrit :
Yeah, you're going to have huge problems with shell scripts if you
multiple possible names for folders, which might change underneath them.
I wouldn't trust shell
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 16:59 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
fre 2006-01-13 klockan 14:10 + skrev Richard Hughes:
If the person uses a shell script, or KDE program, and it comes up
with /Photos rather than %translation%, then the user should understand
it's because they are not using a
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:16 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote:
[snip]
Lots of people *do* have foreign applications on their system.
I know we all like to talk about dear old Aunt Tilly, but one of
the places we've made inroads is the old UNIX workstation market.
In those markets, the third-party
quote who=Alan Horkan
Microsoft have finally [1] said they will drop the patronising my
prefix. I hope you were using it only for example.
I'd much prefer if we could have
~/Documents/
/Templates/
/Pictures/
/Videos/
They're also dropping the way they have everything rooted
On Sad, 2006-01-14 at 04:43 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote:
About translating on-disk folder name, is there an assumption that
users either know exactly 1 native language, or bilingual with english
as 2nd language? How about those who are bilingual in 2 non-english
languages or those using 3rd
Frederic Crozat wrote:
I have tried ~/Pictures/.directory, but it seems not to be interpreted.
It is a KDE only stuff, which is quite bad in term of performance,
because, when reading a directory, it forces file manager to try to open
each directory in that directory and tries to search
On 01/13/2006 04:40 PM, Murray Cumming wrote:
Yes, any spec would need to be supported by the major players. If GNOME
and KDE follow it, there's no reason to think that Firefox and
OpenOffice wouldn't. And Firefox uses GTK+ anyway, so they'd get a lot
for free.
Firefox aims for support with
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