Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Carlos Garcia Campos
Excerpts from Olav Vitters's message of mar dic 28 22:18:19 +0100 2010: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 05:53:35PM +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: Excerpts from Olav Vitters's message of mar dic 28 17:25:31 +0100 2010: Are you talking about the 3.0 version? I'd expect bonobo to be dropped for

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 décembre 2010 à 16:53 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos a écrit : Is the GNOME 3 panel compatible with the GNOME 2 applets? There's no gnome 3 panel, gnome-panel hasn't been ported to gtk3 yet, there's a branch but it's outdated and it still doesn't work. That’s good then. But does

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Carlos Garcia Campos
Excerpts from Emmanuele Bassi's message of mar dic 28 23:47:29 +0100 2010: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:07 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno mar, 28/12/2010 alle 16.50 +, Emmanuele Bassi ha scritto: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 13:42 +, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: Sergey, who sometimes

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Carlos Garcia Campos carlo...@gnome.org wrote: If I couldn't use gnome-shell, I would still want to upgrade all other modules to 3.0 and use a fallback mode without loosing the weather applet, for example. The standard answer here seems to be: -- You may lose

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 09:43 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: it is, in fact, an exact assessment of what anyone who wishes to keep the old user experience should do: there's no need to ever upgrade if the 2.x UX is doing the job. My only concern is people who *can't* use gnome-shell

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 29-12-2010 a las 10:05 +, Emmanuele Bassi escribió: On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 09:43 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: it is, in fact, an exact assessment of what anyone who wishes to keep the old user experience should do: there's no need to ever upgrade if the 2.x UX is doing

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 15:19 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: It will be important to get people writing extensions before the release happens i think. (sorry went into marketing mode...!) I take the liberty of saying that as person who tried to write an extension (some time ago): - Lack of

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 29 décembre 2010 à 00:54 -0800, Sandy Armstrong a écrit : You may lose features in 3.0 *with* gnome-shell, and you may lose even more features in 3.0 *without* gnome-shell. These features will take time to return in 3.2, 3.4, etc. Folks who don't want to lose features like this

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! So, if by upgrading g-c-c, g-s-d, g-session and other major components to 3.0, we are going to break g-panel, I’d like to know that now, not when it is too late and 3.0 has already been released. The gnome-panel shipped in fallback mode will/should work with GNOME 3 components. That's

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Xan Lopez x...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Luca Ferretti lferr...@gnome.org wrote: Sergey, who sometimes prefers to look backwards rather than forward no problem with that. you can maintain the old user experience for yourself and

GNOME 2.91.4 status (was Re: GNOME 2.91.4 build issues)

2010-12-29 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi all, Woohoo, I'm not sure we've ever been that late for a release ;-) Bad idea to do a release at the end of the year, it seems :-) So all of the blockers for 2.91.4 are now fixed in git, and we even got a new gtk-theme-engine-clearlooks with fixes. The only thing blocking the release is

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 29 décembre 2010, à 09:34 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : Le mardi 28 décembre 2010 à 16:53 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos a écrit : Is the GNOME 3 panel compatible with the GNOME 2 applets? There's no gnome 3 panel, gnome-panel hasn't been ported to gtk3 yet, there's a

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi Vincent, On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mardi 28 décembre 2010, à 15:20 +0100, Olav Vitters a écrit : However, the fallback is meant as a fallback, not as providing gnome-panel and its applets. So I don't see anything wrong with not providing the

Re: GNOME 2.91.4 status (was Re: GNOME 2.91.4 build issues)

2010-12-29 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! FWIW, I'm not going to release a GNOME version with a GTK+ that I consider too broken; if we're not going to have a new GTK+ 2.91 tarball in the next few days, maybe we should just skip 2.91.4 since 2.91.5 will be released on January 12th. +1 for skipping this release. Spending more

Re: GNOME 2.91.4 status (was Re: GNOME 2.91.4 build issues)

2010-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 29.12.2010, 21:32 +0100 schrieb Johannes Schmid: What happend to the stable Gtk+ 3.0 end-of-the-year-thing, btw. Or am I considering the wrong year? See section Release plan in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2010-December/msg00108.html andre --

Plans for Encoding Profiles Manager Gnome Media Converter for Gnome 3

2010-12-29 Thread Gendre Sebastien
Hello everybody. Have you any plans for the encoding profiles manager and for the GNOME media converter for the Gnome 3? For some times I work on a software, an audio and video converter based on Gnome technology (GTK+, GStreamer, etc) and I wish to propose it for be the future Gnome Media

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Alan Cox
That's not realistic. Distributions won't allow people to choose between GNOME 2 and 3, which means people will be forced to stick to releases That depends on the distribution providing they can be parallel installed, and on what the volunteers involved or staff paid to work on them want to do.

Re: Plans for Encoding Profiles Manager Gnome Media Converter for Gnome 3

2010-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 29.12.2010, 22:18 +0100 schrieb Gendre Sebastien: Have you any plans for the encoding profiles manager That is gnome-audio-profiles-properties, as I found out. and for the GNOME media converter for the Gnome 3? Does it exist? I see it listed under Future for Gnome Media on

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 15:19 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: It will be important to get people writing extensions before the release happens i think. (sorry went into marketing mode...!) I take the liberty of

Re: Plans for Encoding Profiles Manager Gnome Media Converter for Gnome 3

2010-12-29 Thread Gendre Sebastien
Le mercredi 29 décembre 2010 à 22:32 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit : That is gnome-audio-profiles-properties, as I found out. gnome-audio-profiles-properties is for Gnome 2. But for Gnome 3? Autonomous software or a System Settings panel? Does it exist? I see it listed under Future for Gnome

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 13:41 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 15:19 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: It will be important to get people writing extensions

Re: Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sorry if I sound accusing of something. I wanted to point out what I found to be biggest limitation of writing extensions to gnome-shell. I gave up very quickly due to time limitations - I had done none work at

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:50:10PM +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: It's OK if we lose a few weird applets, but not if gnome-panel loses significant features people will miss badly. Totally disagree when it is meant to be called anything other than 'fallback'. Fallback is clear: unsupported,