Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread James Henstridge
Pat Suwalski wrote: Elijah Newren wrote: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327335. I'm with Federico though in thinking we should make it fast instead. If memory serves, the background resampling and applying used to be very snappy and got significantly slower when everything

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 13:52 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: I also feel that it looks odd and out of place (Why else would I click on a different image than to have it be my background?). It appears this was done because the change was too slow -- at least that's the valid reason I could find at

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 12:49 +, Calum Benson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 13:52 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: I also feel that it looks odd and out of place (Why else would I click on a different image than to have it be my background?). It appears this was done because the change was

Performance (wasRe: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
Hi, Do we have a general performance problem currently? My Fedora Rawhide (FC5) desktop is slow as hell atm. I thought at first it was a distribution/development edition issue, but talking to people running Dapper at the office they are experiencing the same. One example, starting Totem for the

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Pat Suwalski
Thomas Wood wrote: I was thinking of doing some work on the theme manager UI for 2.16. Should the theme manager be switched to explicit apply too? It often takes more than a second to apply a theme. The best way to see what your desktop will look like is to click one of the themes and see

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Thomas Wood
Pat Suwalski wrote: Thomas Wood wrote: I was thinking of doing some work on the theme manager UI for 2.16. Should the theme manager be switched to explicit apply too? It often takes more than a second to apply a theme. The best way to see what your desktop will look like is to click one of

Re: Performance (wasRe: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le mardi 31 janvier 2006 à 15:17 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller a écrit : Hi, Do we have a general performance problem currently? My Fedora Rawhide (FC5) desktop is slow as hell atm. I thought at first it was a distribution/development edition issue, but talking to people running

Re: Performance (wasRe: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/31/06, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Do we have a general performance problem currently? My Fedora Rawhide (FC5) desktop is slow as hell atm. I thought at first it was a distribution/development edition issue, but talking to people running Dapper at the

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Owen Taylor
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:16 -0500, Pat Suwalski wrote: James Henstridge wrote: If this is the case, has anyone pinged Carl Worth about the slowdown, to see if it can be fixed? (either on our end by doing the rendering in a more efficient way, or by adding fast paths to Cairo for the

Re: Performance (was Re: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Thomas Wood
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Hi, Do we have a general performance problem currently? My Fedora Rawhide (FC5) desktop is slow as hell atm. I thought at first it was a distribution/development edition issue, but talking to people running Dapper at the office they are experiencing the

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread James Livingston
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:38 +, Thomas Wood wrote: This isn't really the issue. The problem is that the apply procedure takes more than a second to complete, thus violating the previously mentioned section of the HIG about instant apply. I saw a figure quoted that the average time to

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:38 +, Thomas Wood wrote: Pat Suwalski wrote: Thomas Wood wrote: I was thinking of doing some work on the theme manager UI for 2.16. Should the theme manager be switched to explicit apply too? It often takes more than a second to apply a theme. The best

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Pat Suwalski
Thomas Wood wrote: Is this not the case? This isn't really the issue. The problem is that the apply procedure takes more than a second to complete, thus violating the previously mentioned section of the HIG about instant apply. Then the solution should be to paint the desktop with the

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 10:14 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: I think the first step is for someone to simply spend a little time figuring out what is slow: - Gradients - Scaled images - Solid color backgrounds? If we are scaling images *via Cairo* that is known to be slow with older X

Re: Performance (was Re: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Jan de Groot
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 15:31 +, Thomas Wood wrote: It'd be interesting if you could try changing your theme (I assume you are using Clearlooks) to Glider and seeing what difference that makes. The Glider theme uses the Smooth engine, which is not currently using cairo. Clearlooks on

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Pat Suwalski
Owen Taylor wrote: I think the first step is for someone to simply spend a little time figuring out what is slow: - Gradients - Scaled images - Solid color backgrounds? 30 seconds of experimentation shows me that scaling and filling are slow, while tiling is very fast. The very strange

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Thomas Wood
James Livingston wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:38 +, Thomas Wood wrote: This isn't really the issue. The problem is that the apply procedure takes more than a second to complete, thus violating the previously mentioned section of the HIG about instant apply. I saw a figure

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le mardi 31 janvier 2006 à 10:14 -0500, Owen Taylor a écrit : On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:16 -0500, Pat Suwalski wrote: James Henstridge wrote: If this is the case, has anyone pinged Carl Worth about the slowdown, to see if it can be fixed? (either on our end by doing the rendering in a

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Pat Suwalski
James Livingston wrote: One thing I noticed is that the time is greatly affected by whether Nautilus is drawing the desktop or not. I normally don't, but when turned on the time was up to around a second. Drawing the icons and text might take extra time, but is there something Nautilus is doing

Re: CVS conflicts for po files in doc directories

2006-01-31 Thread Danilo Šegan
Yesterday at 20:00, Elijah Newren wrote: On 1/30/06, Torsten Schoenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha, why am I seeing more and more CVS conflicts for *.po files in documentation directories? This happens for quite a few modules (gucharmap and gnome-applets come to mind); and their number

Re: CVS conflicts for po files in doc directories

2006-01-31 Thread Torsten Schoenfeld
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 18:48 +0100, Danilo Šegan wrote: So Torsten, try updating your gnome-doc-utils instead :) Will do. Thanks for the prompt replies. -- Bye, -Torsten ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: CVS conflicts for po files in doc directories

2006-01-31 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 18:48 +0100, Danilo Šegan wrote: Yesterday at 20:00, Elijah Newren wrote: On 1/30/06, Torsten Schoenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha, why am I seeing more and more CVS conflicts for *.po files in documentation directories? This happens for quite a few modules

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 10:49 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 10:14 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: I think the first step is for someone to simply spend a little time figuring out what is slow: - Gradients - Scaled images - Solid color backgrounds? If we

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Owen Taylor
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 12:39 -0500, Pat Suwalski wrote: James Livingston wrote: One thing I noticed is that the time is greatly affected by whether Nautilus is drawing the desktop or not. I normally don't, but when turned on the time was up to around a second. Drawing the icons and text

Re: Performance (was Re: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Thomas Wood
Jan de Groot wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 15:31 +, Thomas Wood wrote: It'd be interesting if you could try changing your theme (I assume you are using Clearlooks) to Glider and seeing what difference that makes. The Glider theme uses the Smooth engine, which is not currently using

Re: Performance (was Re: control-center 2.13.90 released)

2006-01-31 Thread Jan de Groot
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:05 +, Thomas Wood wrote: I switched back from Clearlooks cairo version to the Mist theme: everything is nice and fast now. With cairo-clearlooks, clicking a cleared number in gnome-mines, I could follow the bombsquad clearing the field of known not-mine

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Pat Suwalski
Owen Taylor wrote: So if things roughly double in speed when you disable nautilus, this is about what is expected. Perhaps this is one of those lovely O^2 operations or something, but it's a transition from about 30 fps to about 1 fps. There is almost certainly more to it --Pat

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 15:08 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: Profiling the capplet won't help at all. It's not actually doing any of the drawing on the desktop. Someone needs to profile nautilus and/or the gnome-settings-daemon processes. These are the places where the drawing happens. Albeit much

Re: control-center 2.13.90 released

2006-01-31 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:58:22AM -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 12:49 +, Calum Benson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 13:52 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: I also feel that it looks odd and out of place (Why else would I click on a different image than to have it be my