Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which totally replaces the
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
licensing. Unfortunately, as a good analogy,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
Hi list
What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
Use normal X window management protocol to handle applets (à la system
tray), that would be the modern way of launching several remote xload to
watch a bunch of
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:48, ysgrifennodd Jason D. Clinton:
On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
licensing. Unfortunately, as a good
Ar 23/09/2007 am 19:54, ysgrifennodd Travis Reitter:
My main concerns right now are libempathy(-gtk)'s API stability and
documentation. The API in svn trunk has changed since the last release
(0.12), and (as Björn points out) the documentation is basically
non-existent.
Xavier, could you
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 09:03 +0100, Dafydd Harries wrote:
A question about external dependencies: which Telepathy components would be
blessed external dependencies?
I'm tempted to say none, just make the packages required at build time
external dependencies. Everyone would build gabble and so
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 21:54 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
On 9/23/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Xavier
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Currently GNOME has no IM program at all, Ekiga does only voice and
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:12, ysgrifennodd Alex Jones:
We have legacy transports that provide a basic level of support, but it
will always be a balancing act, much like the reverse-engineering work
in Telepathy/Farsight. Pissing away free development hours chasing a
moving target wild geese just so
Dodji Seketeli wrote:
As I understand it, libempathy is a set of reusable widgets and
leverages on the telepathy framework.
That implies that nothing should prevent Ekiga from using
libempathy/telepathy at some point in the future when it is stable and
and has the necessary features.
On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Alex Jones wrote:
...
What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for
now?
I think that unifying the concept of applets and more heavyweight
widgets might be beneficial, unless
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy is proposed, all the work
in protocol implementation that has come before
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I strongly disagree, Empathy do NOT reimplement the wheel! Empathy is
not just an IM client like all others, it's an IM framework and is the
only project that makes possible for
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy is
24 sep 2007 kl. 10.54 skrev Ali Sabil:
Hi,
So I planned to reply to this thread later today but this kind of mud
slinging forced me to do so earlier (will try to reply on the subject
at hand later though).
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in
On 9/24/07, Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:10 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
* It appears to be a fork of Gossip and intended to replace Gossip.
The Gossip author has stated that Gossip is not dead. Gossip has
telepathy support...
* It appears to want
I guess you do not know what ICE is ? Do you ?
Last time I checked ICE it was about finding a a quite good routing
path (not always the best) between two endpoints for UDP packets.
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally about finding your
external IP address, and determining the type of NAT
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
I've been diving deeper in to the code involved here and the more I see the
more I dislike. Xavier, it seems that you implemented gossip-telepathy and
then forked Gossip to create Empathy? Can you provide some history for us
please? What is going on here?
Various
On 9/24/07, Damien Sandras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally about finding
Hi,
I vote for. I'm also wondering how much extra code this will require for
software to use this.
Regards,
Étienne.
--
E Ultreïa !
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Hi Alex:
Thanks for sending out this call for input. :-)
Being able to reliably interact with the gnome-panel and its applets via
the keyboard alone would be a major boost to its usability.
Thanks again!
Will
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
Hi list
What do we want
Everyone's invited to attend the Tomboy Planning Meeting tomorrow:
Who: Everyone who'd like to participate
Where: #tomboy on irc.gnome.org
When: Tuesday, 25 September 2007, 13:00 PST
What: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/DevMeetingZeroPointTen
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On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
what about IRC? Would we need to have xchat around if using empathy? As
you say, having all those apps not share anything but the network cable
is a pain for users, so I'm all for having a single backend to manage
messaging, included IRC.
On 9/24/07, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been working on gvfs and gio for a while, and its starting to reach
some minimal level of maturity.
As long as there is consensus on a path from gnome-vfs to gio+gvfs, I
would like to see this in 2.22. Which module are you proposing?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 10:37 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On 9/24/07, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been working on gvfs and gio for a while, and its starting to reach
some minimal level of maturity.
As long as there is consensus on a path from gnome-vfs to gio+gvfs, I
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:48 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Besides the lack of a global menu bar, which John Stowers mentioned,
another irritant interaction-wise is inconsistency in behavior between
panel applets. Some applets do something on a single click, others
don't, and there's no
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
David and I have done some further work on it to support timezone
setting and weather information, the current status of which you can
see here:
Hi,
That's my first mail to this flamewar, i vote for inclusion of empathy.
That really shouldn't be a blocker.
Empathy does not aim to replace xchat-gnome (yet). This discussion is
only about empathy inclusion at all. Yet it is possible to connect to
IRC using telepathy, but empathy is far
Maybe an interesting timezones feature/setting would be useful in
GNOME, so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone
awareness, with just one central place to configure it.
Or do you think such a feature should only pertain to a clock? Anyone
have any more use cases?
On Mon,
Nice stuff, it may need some graphic love tho, any particular reason
why the clock graphics are 50x50 and 36x36? It would be better to have
them 48x48 and 32x32 as our icons.
2007/9/24, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we
On 9/24/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe an interesting timezones feature/setting would be useful in GNOME,
so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone awareness, with
just one central place to configure it.
Or do you think such a feature should only pertain to a
2007/9/24, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Maybe an interesting timezones feature/setting would be useful in GNOME,
so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone awareness, with
just one central place to configure it.
Or do you think such a feature should only pertain to a clock?
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
Why not include this in the existing gnome-panel module and avoid
having two competing clock
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
Why not include this in the existing
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you read my mail carefully (merge), that is exactly what is being
proposed here.
Two clock applets makes no sense at all, which is why we did not ship
the intlclock in F8.
Sorry, I thought you were asking for module proposal acceptance
Hi,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 12:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
David and I have done some further work on it to support timezone
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 10:46 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit :
So, does it make sense to add gio (standalone or in an earlier glib
release) and gvfs to the Gnome 2.22 desktop module set?
If there's no glib release with gio for 2.22, I think it makes a lot of
sense to include gio and
Hi,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
Hi list
What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for now?
I think that unifying the concept of applets and more heavyweight
Hi Willie,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit :
Hi Alex:
Thanks for sending out this call for input. :-)
Being able to reliably interact with the gnome-panel and its applets via
the keyboard alone would be a major boost to its usability.
Care to elaborate
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 17:14 +0100, Calum Benson a écrit :
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:48 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Besides the lack of a global menu bar, which John Stowers mentioned,
another irritant interaction-wise is inconsistency in behavior between
panel applets. Some
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 19:49 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Btw, I'd love if you could organize all the feedback on a wiki page so
it'll be easy to look at the list of requirements in the future.
Yeah, I plan to do this
Hi,
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
Hi list
What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for now?
I
On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing this a few weeks ago and
he'll work on getting the two merged. My preference is to use the
current backend code, and import the intltool UI in the clock. I don't
think it will be really hard,
Hi Vincent:
Thanks for asking! We generally try to make sure bugs are filed so
there are no surprises. I did a quick bugzilla search and came across
the following. Some are gnome-applets related, but I think there might
be some opportunity in gnome-panel to help them.
Hi,
The Gimmie applet has been around for some time. Gimmie is a tab-like
replacement for the main Panel menubar, providing logical access to
the concepts of the desktop[1].
For more information, see the Gimmie homepage at
http://beatniksoftware.com/gimmie. Gimmie is stored in GNOME SVN, and
A quick $0.02:
I have been using Gimmie on and off for quite some time now (on and
off since its initial checkin) and have found it to be a significant
step up in terms of a UI over the current Gnome default. The biggest
issues have been with crashers (generally with new/fickle features,
all of
Hey!
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing this a few weeks ago and
he'll work on getting the two merged. My preference is to use the
current backend code, and import the intltool
Il giorno dom, 23/09/2007 alle 20.31 +0300, Kalle Vahlman ha scritto:
Sorry, but I did get lost while trying Mercurial just now. I can't
understand why I need to merge something that I just committed. I
mean, I just modified a file, committed the change and then tried to
push the committed
I'd love to hear some feedback from others. There are some consistency
issues most people can probably spot, like the [Edit] buttons should
probably be [Edit...] since they open other windows to complete the
interaction. Things like that I believe can be done pretty quickly and
aren't worth
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 17:29 -0400, Bryan Clark a écrit :
On 9/24/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing
Gimmie is very interesting and user friendly. I've always felt that the
Gnome panel has been a little bare. SLED was a step in the right
direction, but it seems that very few people have been willing to use
it. (Actually, isn't Novell the only merchant to use SLED?)
I think that the gnome-panel
On 9/24/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of UI, I have a little suggestion (based on the mockup on Fedora
wiki).
I see that below the world map there's a row that has a clock, the
zone and the weather, it's really cool but I can imagine it filling a
1024x768
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:41 -0500, Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
Alex, what will the address for the wiki be?
http://live.gnome.org/FuturePanel
Feel free to start putting ideas down if you want. I was gonna wait a
few days before aggregating our ideas from this thread.
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 19:10 +0200, Andreas Røsdal wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le samedi 22 septembre 2007, à 13:57 +0200, Andreas Røsdal a écrit :
Hello!
* Proposal: Include GtkGLExt in the GNOME developer platform.
Oh, interesting.
Note that it's possible that
Hi,
2007/9/25, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:41 -0500, Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
Alex, what will the address for the wiki be?
http://live.gnome.org/FuturePanel
Feel free to start putting ideas down if you want. I was gonna wait a few
days before aggregating our
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 01:36 +0300, Lucas Rocha wrote:
Why not:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomePanel/Future
It's a saner place to add those things.
Sure, go for that.
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