Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Nickolay V. Shmyrev I also don't like Pulseaudio for exactly same reasons as Gustavo and Ronald. I don't see how this will improve our desktop or will help our users. I'd like our music or video players to turn down and/or pause when I receive a VoIP call. I'd like delicious plug

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 07:34 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Nickolay V. Shmyrev I also don't like Pulseaudio for exactly same reasons as Gustavo and Ronald. I don't see how this will improve our desktop or will help our users. I'd like our music or video players to turn down and/or

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Jan Schmidt
quote who=Ronald S. Bultje Daemons for sound routing are not just suboptimal, they are wrong. We have better ways (at least on Linux) nowadays. Any solution based on the idea of a userspace daemon is wrong. Not just suboptimal (which is unacceptable, because ALSA directly is - for

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 15:46 +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: Anyway, even if PA isn't *THE* answer, ALSA isn't, either, for the reasons already expressed in this thread. So, what do you purpose? IMHO Helge Bahmann got it right: he designed an AUDIO extension for X Window:

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:31 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=Ronald S. Bultje Daemons for sound routing are not just suboptimal, they are wrong. We have better ways (at least on Linux) nowadays. Any solution based on the idea of a userspace daemon is wrong. Not just

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-11 Thread Francesco Fumanti
Hello, First of all, I would like to thanks all the people that participated in the discussion of MouseTweaks during the accessibility summit, and especially those that made it possible to have it demoed during that event. At 2:24 PM -0400 10/8/07, Willie Walker wrote: We discussed

Re: pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi Jeff, On 10/11/07, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Nickolay V. Shmyrev I also don't like Pulseaudio for exactly same reasons as Gustavo and Ronald. I don't see how this will improve our desktop or will help our users. I'd like our music or video players to turn down and/or pause when I

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Jan Schmidt
quote who=Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:31 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: I get so sick of people saying but I don't *want* a sound daemon, ALSA can do it all!. It's so irritating because ALSA's solution for mixing on the vast majority of modern sound hardware is to have

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Alan Cox
correctly*. As it is now, maybe it isn't PA's fault, maybe it's the linux kernel's fault for not having a good enough process scheduler, but the sad truth is that PA's sound skips (I mean I hear audio clicks when switching workspaces). I believe when people say it doesn't skip for their

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-11 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Francesco: You're welcome! Thanks for your work on MouseTweaks. :-) The module proposing guidelines are here, with the main timeframes being listed under the Decision Making section: http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing (the 2.22 schedule is here:

Re: linuxMint's gnome-menu

2007-10-11 Thread Denis Washington
I would really go with this design, I don't know why very few other alternative menus follow this concept. Denis, which design are you referring to here? I meant the concept of multiple smaller menus instead of one big one, like now with Applications/Places/System.

Re: linuxMint's gnome-menu

2007-10-11 Thread Benjamin Gramlich
I see now, thanks for clarifying. On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 16:48 +0200, Denis Washington wrote: I would really go with this design, I don't know why very few other alternative menus follow this concept. Denis, which design are you referring to here? I meant the concept of multiple smaller

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Jan Schmidt
quote who=Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 23:28 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro The first process to open the sound device is forked in alsalib and *becomes* the dmix mixing daemon. Check it out in your ps listings. All the other

Re: pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Robert Moonen
quote who=Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 20:31 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: I get so sick of people saying but I don't *want* a sound daemon, ALSA can do it all!. It's so irritating because ALSA's solution for mixing on the vast majority of modern sound

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 01:20 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: Yes, that's the general case, and the way (for example) Jack does it too. Both Jackd and PA are very careful to drop the root privilege first thing on startup. Nevertheless, even that is no longer necessary - on recent kernels, non-root

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Peter Zubaj
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 23:28 +1000, Jan Schmidt wrote: The first process to open the sound device is forked in alsalib and *becomes* the dmix mixing daemon. Check it out in your ps listings. All the other programs requiring access to mixing services then deliver their streams to that process

Re: pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread David Schleef
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:33:29AM +1000, Robert Moonen wrote: But to get back to the original point of allowing hardware mixing if it exists on the sound card, I for one want this, it would definitely be abysmal if I couldn't use the hardware mixer on my au8830 and alsa does a wonderful job

Re: pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 10:47 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: I'm not sure you want to build your case of PA is not right for GNOME based on Pro audio users. This came up during the PulseAudio session at Boston Summit, and it was notable that the conversation went something like: Person B: