Gnome-panel-handles do not accept transparency

2009-04-02 Thread Joshuah Kuttenkuler
I'm sure lots of people have raised the issue that although most of the panel can be made transparent, when the panel is resized not to cover the entire width, the handles that show up do not accept transparency values. This is unacceptable, right? these handles look pretty much like gtk1.0

Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Vincent Untz
During the first few months of 2008, a few Release Team members discussed here and there about the state of GNOME. This was nothing official, and it could actually have been considered as some friends talking together about things they deeply care about. There were thoughts that GNOME could stay

GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Andre Klapper
Ahoj, a draft for the GNOME 2.27 2.29 schedule is now available at http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven . The schedule also includes a plan to clean up the platform by getting rid of deprecated modules. Maintainers can see the GNOME 3 readiness of their modules on Frederic's

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/4/2 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net: Ahoj, a draft for the GNOME 2.27 2.29 schedule is now available at        http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven . The schedule also includes a plan to clean up the platform by getting rid of deprecated modules. Maintainers can see the GNOME 3

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! - create a staging area in the platform for libraries that aim to be in our platform but do not offer enough guarantees at the moment (like GStreamer): this will send a clear message on what should be used; - include new exciting technologies that we're starting to see used in

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 02.04.2009, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Johannes Schmid: What about gconf/dconf? Or in other words - does GNOME 3.0 depend on dconf and is gconf deprecated (soon!) or not? No decisions yet, but definitely should be discussed after desrt and/or robtaylor have posted a follow-up mail

Promotion (was Planning for GNOME 3.0)

2009-04-02 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Vincent Untz wrote: During the first few months of 2008, a few Release Team members discussed here and there about the state of GNOME. This was nothing Wow, long interesting email! I'll limit myself to one area: - Promotion of GNOME This does seems to be lacking. If you go to

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 02.04.2009, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Johannes Schmid: What about gconf/dconf? Or in other words - does GNOME 3.0 depend on dconf and is gconf deprecated (soon!) or not? No decisions yet, but definitely should be

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Natan Yellin
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Natan Yellin aan...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: - Changing the way we access documents (via a journal, like GNOME Zeitgeist [3]): having to deal with a filesystem in their daily work is not what

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 02.04.2009, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Johannes Schmid: What about gconf/dconf? Or in other words - does GNOME 3.0 depend on dconf and is gconf deprecated (soon!) or not? No decisions yet, but definitely should be

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by this plan, but crucial to discuss (as gconf depends on Bonobo) There is gconf-dbus, the long-standing port of GConf to DBus that Imendio did for Maemo. Moblin

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/4/2 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:       * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by         this plan, but crucial to discuss (as gconf depends on Bonobo) There is gconf-dbus, the long-standing port of GConf to

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: My understanding on this after talking with Richard Hult, is that there is no GConf maintainer, and the DBus port is a huge hack and not really suitable for the main branch, and that a proper merge would need a lot of work. There being no

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/4/2 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: My understanding on this after talking with Richard Hult, is that there is no GConf maintainer, and the DBus port is a huge hack and not really suitable for the main branch, and that a proper merge

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2009/4/2 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by this plan, but crucial to discuss (as gconf depends on

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 14:26 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Well, at this point we have someone willing to write a piece of software with loads of benefits and some code available over GConf and none volunteering on doing the merge. Unless you are volunteering yourself :-) Actually, looking at the

Re: Promotion (was Planning for GNOME 3.0)

2009-04-02 Thread Stormy Peters
Mike, We'd love to have your help. We really need help defining what GNOME is to non-hackers and promoting it appropriately on the website and in presentations people give. You are right that the about page doesn't actually say what GNOME is! The marketing list[1] would be a good place to

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Cosimo Cecchi
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 14:30 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:41 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2009/4/2 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Dan Winship
Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by this plan, but crucial to discuss (as gconf depends on Bonobo) There is gconf-dbus, the long-standing port of GConf to DBus that Imendio

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Pierre-Luc Beaudoin
2009/4/2 Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org:  - include new exciting technologies that we're starting to see used in   our desktop. Some obvious examples are 3D effects (with Clutter) and   geolocalization (with GeoClue and libchamplain). Thanks for mentionning libchamplain. Just in case anyone

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: a draft for the GNOME 2.27 2.29 schedule is now available at        http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven . The libglade/GtkBuilder transition is on the plan to begin at the end of this month. Currently the transition

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Willie Walker
For the accessibility portion, here's some strawman stuff that will be solidified soon (I hope): 1) Luke Yelavich at Canonical is planning on looking at speech dispatcher as a proposed replacement for gnome-speech. If he gets support from his management to do the work and is successful at

dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Ryan Lortie
Hello, d-d-l. I'm a long-time listener, first time caller. Many of you are probably aware of two things about me: 0) I'm that guy who is working on that weird cloud of dbus-ish stuff involving GVariant and dconf and GSettings, etc. 1) A few months ago I started working for Codethink

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-02 Thread Willie Walker
I'm really excited about GNOME 3.0. There are a lot of great ideas that people have come up with. As people work on new GUI designs, I request that people engage the GNOME accessibility team on their designs. Accessibility is a big selling point for GNOME and I'd really hate to see it take

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: a draft for the GNOME 2.27 2.29 schedule is now available at        http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven . The libglade/GtkBuilder transition is

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: a draft for the GNOME 2.27 2.29 schedule is now available at        

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! I add another question here, as a complete dconf/GConf newbie: is depending on Bonobo/Corba vs DBus the only thing that makes GConf not useful towards GNOME 3.0 or are there some other design/preformance/whatever issues requiring a full rewrite to be solved? Performance (especially on

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote: first: GVariant. For those of us who are ignorant, like me: what is GVariant, how does it relate to GValue, will it deprecate GValue and if so, why is it not possible to just fix GValue instead? It's not in your email which

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Ryan Lortie
Ross Burton wrote: Is a GConf compatibility layer possible, or are there too many semantic differences? The type system of dbus (and therefore GVariant and dconf) is a superset of the type system of GConf -- any value that can be stored in GConf can be stored in dconf. Due to the simple

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 02.04.2009, 16:56 + schrieb Stef Walter: Matthias Clasen wrote: It would be really helpful for this to get some feedback from people who have already done a conversion to GtkBuilder. What were the gotchas ? What are the tricks that one needs to know ? I've worked

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Brian Cameron
I think dconf is a great project, but I do have one question. Will the new dconf address the sorts of D-Bus problems raised in these GConf bugs? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555745 http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17970 Thanks, Brian On 04/02/09 10:37, Ryan

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Brian Cameron
Ryan: I was not familiar with these bugs. I'm glad to bring them to your attention, then, since I think it relates to the work in dconf. One thing is definitely true: for reading from the configuration settings, these bugs will not be an issue because you don't need to use the bus or

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Rob Taylor
Brian Cameron wrote: Ryan: I was not familiar with these bugs. I'm glad to bring them to your attention, then, since I think it relates to the work in dconf. One thing is definitely true: for reading from the configuration settings, these bugs will not be an issue because you don't

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Brian Cameron
Rob: My question would be is why do these People have a desktop in which there isn't a DBus session bus? Its been there for a very long time now in most distros, afact. For gnome 3.0, running without a session bus is going to be like running gnome 2.0 without orbit2. i.e. it ain't gonna work

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 04/02/2009 02:39 PM, Rob Taylor wrote: My question would be is why do these People have a desktop in which there isn't a DBus session bus? The case were people in corporate Microdows environment have to manage a Linux box, and have to run UI application to the X11 server on the Windows

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le jeudi 02 avril 2009 à 19:39 +0100, Rob Taylor a écrit : My question would be is why do these People have a desktop in which there isn't a DBus session bus? Its been there for a very long time now in most distros, afact. For gnome 3.0, running without a session bus is going to be like

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Meyer
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote: Le jeudi 02 avril 2009 à 19:39 +0100, Rob Taylor a écrit : My question would be is why do these People have a desktop in which there isn't a DBus session bus? Its been there for a very long time now in most distros,

Re: dconf

2009-04-02 Thread Callum McKenzie
Can current gconf settings be easily loaded into dconf? e.g. can someone launching into a gnome 3.0, dconf-based, system for the first time still have the same wallpaper settings as they did before? I'm assuming that a) the settings still make sense and b) that the application can provide a

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 4/2/09, Stef Walter stef-l...@memberwebs.com wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: It would be really helpful for this to get some feedback from people who have already done a conversion to GtkBuilder. What were the gotchas ? What are the tricks that one needs to know ? I've worked with

gnome-keyring branched for GNOME 2.26

2009-04-02 Thread Stef Walter
Stable releases will be made from branches/gnome-2-26. Development will happen on trunk. Cheers, Stef Walter ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Regression: How to get gnome-keyring-daemon to run before gvfsd in the session

2009-04-02 Thread Stef Walter
I need the help of a Desktop session genius (is there a gnome-session mailing list?). - gvfs has an SSH module which uses OpenSSH. - OpenSSH checks for the presence of the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable in order to integrate with SSH agents. - gnome-keyring-daemon is started from by

Re: Regression: How to get gnome-keyring-daemon to run before gvfsd in the session

2009-04-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Stef Walter stef-l...@memberwebs.com wrote: I've received a suggestion to use 'UpdateActivationEnvironment'. Where is this mythical creature implemented and/or documented? It is part of the org.freedesktop.DBus interface since dbus 1.2.3. You can see it in