Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 08:03 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: Le dimanche 16 août 2009 à 23:55 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : the majority of GPUs, nowadays, work fine on Linux with open source drivers[1], and provide the basic functionality that Clutter requires[2]. Except for some Intel

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:48 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: I'd like to point out, though, that innovation cannot be driven by looking at the past; if GNOME, and the Linux desktop, want to be relevant with the users of today and tomorrow it cannot still be anchored to hardware

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:53 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:48 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: I'd like to point out, though, that innovation cannot be driven by looking at the past; if GNOME, and the Linux desktop, want to be relevant with the users of today and

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:54 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: I know that your goals may be different that mine. I'd like to have a working desktop on computer I have right now. and it's a perfectly legitimate goal. but then you should be keeping your current desktop environment. after all,

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Emmanuele Bassieba...@gmail.com wrote: it would be interesting to have a single place where the hardware support matrix was stored -- maybe on live.gnome.org or on freedesktop.org's wiki -- and updated. So let's do it then :) I own 3 laptops: an 4-y-o one that

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 08:22 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: people must vote with their wallets. they must buy hardware with Linux support; and make other Linux users buy hardware with Linux support; and let vendors know that they bought or did not buy hardware because of the Linux support. I

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Javier Jardón
2009/8/17 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com: so you're saying that only old GPUs work, and Maciej is saying that old GPUs do not work. it would be interesting to have a single place where the hardware support matrix was stored -- maybe on live.gnome.org or on freedesktop.org's wiki -- and

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 23:55 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: I'm usuing currently Gnome 2.27.x and I've become worried about new dependency - clutter. OpenGL traditionally have been problematic on GNU/Linux, not mentioning other *nixes. Many cards are only partially supported and/or

Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

2009-08-17 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: When I tried new clutter-based gnometris I haven't see it running at all. The main portion of screen was the previous background. While I understend that it is not a gnome bug it shows that OpenGL is not perfect even

Re: Signalling when the desktop is loaded

2009-08-17 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 19:59 +0100, Chris Coulson wrote: The way that this is currently done in Ubuntu is by patching gnome-panel and nautilus to signal to xsplash over dbus when they are finished loading and ready to use. Xsplash will only disappear when both of these components are ready, or