Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-14 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Maxim Udushlivy wrote: > BJörn Lindqvist wrote: >> I think you are 100% right and that it is important for GNOME to >> narrow its focus. For example, if GNOME limited its focus to computers >> with 256 MB of RAM, then... > I was proposing to narrow Gnome by ideology (implementation style), > Havok

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-14 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > I think you are 100% right and that it is important for GNOME to > narrow its focus. For example, if GNOME limited its focus to computers > with 256 MB of RAM, then... I was proposing to narrow Gnome by ideology (implementation style), Havok - by desktop tasks (implementat

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-14 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 9/11/06, Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maxim Udushlivy wrote: > > I remember somebody compared Gnome with a car. But the desktop is an > > environment, so it is not a car, it is a parking. The same goes about a > > hammer: desktop environment is a collection of tools. Different t

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Travis Watkins wrote: > On 9/12/06, Ed Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A democracy arises because allowing everyone a say in running the >> country is not feasible. We already have structures where everybody can >> voice opinion, and if you think you can do something better you are free >>

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Ed Mack wrote: >> Gnome Sheriff must be elected by some formal procedure (better by >> democratic voting). His main responsibility - moderate mailing lists >> from bullshit, destroy crazy ideas before they infect people, protect >> project ideology, etc. >> > > A democracy arises because al

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Zaheer Merali wrote: > On 9/11/06, Maxim Udushlivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I was once lurking around planet.gnome.org and there was an interesting >> accident. One guy said about Israel that "it is evil" and another (Jeff >> Waugh?) was trying to moderate him. > > I blogged about the Israel i

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 00:33 +0400, Maxim Udushlivy wrote: > >> Havoc Pennington wrote: >> >>> I think the best shot at this would be to gather a small group that >>> agrees on some audience they want to try and do stuff for, and just >>> start doing it; I'm not sure

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Travis Watkins
On 9/12/06, Ed Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A democracy arises because allowing everyone a say in running the > country is not feasible. We already have structures where everybody can > voice opinion, and if you think you can do something better you are free > to patch/fork anyone elses code (

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Ed Mack
> Gnome Sheriff must be elected by some formal procedure (better by > democratic voting). His main responsibility - moderate mailing lists > from bullshit, destroy crazy ideas before they infect people, protect > project ideology, etc. A democracy arises because allowing everyone a say in runn

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-12 Thread Zaheer Merali
On 9/11/06, Maxim Udushlivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was once lurking around planet.gnome.org and there was an interesting > accident. One guy said about Israel that "it is evil" and another (Jeff > Waugh?) was trying to moderate him. I blogged about the Israel issue and Jeff did not try to

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 00:33 +0400, Maxim Udushlivy wrote: > Havoc Pennington wrote: > > I think the best shot at this would be to gather a small group that > > agrees on some audience they want to try and do stuff for, and just > > start doing it; I'm not sure how the overall GNOME boat can be tu

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Havoc Pennington wrote: > I think the best shot at this would be to gather a small group that > agrees on some audience they want to try and do stuff for, and just > start doing it; I'm not sure how the overall GNOME boat can be turned up > front, it's probably not possible. The small group woul

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Étienne Bersac
That would be nice to have a gnome-topaz mailing list for such braindump. Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Brian Cameron
Travis: One thing I'd like to remind people is that typically when a product bumps the major version number, this involves some evolution in the underlying interfaces. I know some of these sorts of issues are being addressed by Project Ridley (e.g. GtkPrint), but it would probably be good to con

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Havoc Pennington wrote: > Maxim Udushlivy wrote: >> I remember somebody compared Gnome with a car. But the desktop is an >> environment, so it is not a car, it is a parking. The same goes about >> a hammer: desktop environment is a collection of tools. Different >> tasks require different collec

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Havoc Pennington
Travis Reitter wrote: > So, adjusting 1. to "Unique, focused, user-centric benefits" (instead of > the too-vague "concepts"/"major features that sound cool"), how do you > (and everyone else) think the plan sounds now? I think the best shot at this would be to gather a small group that agrees on

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Havoc Pennington
Maxim Udushlivy wrote: > I remember somebody compared Gnome with a car. But the desktop is an > environment, so it is not a car, it is a parking. The same goes about a > hammer: desktop environment is a collection of tools. Different tasks > require different collections. The items that you ment

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Maxim Udushlivy
Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > Travis Reitter wrote: > >> 1. Pick a short list of major concepts to put into Topaz. >> >> We don't need perfect consensus at this stage, but it'd be nice to start >> forming some agreement. Concepts ("superfeatures" across the >> platform/desktop) would be alon

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-11 Thread Travis Reitter
Hi! On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 02:02 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > Travis Reitter wrote: > > 1. Pick a short list of major concepts to put into Topaz. > > > > We don't need perfect consensus at this stage, but it'd be nice to start > > forming some agreement. Concepts ("superfeatures" acro

Re: Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-10 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Travis Reitter wrote: > 1. Pick a short list of major concepts to put into Topaz. > > We don't need perfect consensus at this stage, but it'd be nice to start > forming some agreement. Concepts ("superfeatures" across the > platform/desktop) would be along the lines of "People as a first-clas

Getting to Topaz (Was Re: getting on a longer release cycled)

2006-09-10 Thread Travis Reitter
This kicked off a few ideas for me: Topaz basically seems to be so massive a change that some extremely enthusiastic people are flinging high-level concepts at the wiki (without developing them - I'm responsible for one of these [which I've since removed]), while others (who seem to tend to be mor