Re: The hall of bloat

2005-05-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 16 May 2005, Soeren Sandmann wrote: There is a cost if the mapping has just a few random pages filled as you have to fill in the whole page table heirarchy down to the page in question. Isn't it always the case that you have to fill in the page table hierarchy down to the pages

Re: gnome terminal displaying utf-8 unicode text

2005-06-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Krishna Mohan Gundu wrote: gnome-terminal does not display utf-8 unicode text correctly, atleast the telugu codes 0x0C00-0x0C7F and I believe most indic code tables. What do you mean does not display? I would like to know which source files I should look to for to

Re: xscreensaver, any plan do drop it !!

2005-07-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Bastien Nocera wrote: We definitely need a way to have a poke at the screensaver so that it doesn't get enabled without resorting to the current fake key events hacks. Ah... And I thought its the weirdest bug of all software that when running xine and switching windows

Re: Certification for GNOME apps

2005-07-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Jonathan Blandford wrote: Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Alan Cox wrote: On Mer, 2005-07-13 at 21:04, Jonathan Blandford wrote: The first two seem like no-brainers, but what are you thinking of 'harming the name of GNOME

Re: build break: gnome-keyring

2005-07-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 23:13 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: A clean checkout of gnome-keyring in jhbuild gives me: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DPREFIX=\/opt/gnome212\ -DBINDIR=\/opt/gnome212/bin\ -DLIBEXECDIR=\/opt/gnome212/libexec\

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Luis Villa wrote: We're not lacking people doing tinderboxing.[1] The thing we're really missing (which has always been more important than tinderboxing, IMHO) is for someone to build daily rpms and debs for popular distributions, so that 'average' users can use rug, yum,

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Mark McLoughlin wrote: I think I'm with Matthias on this - make distcheck shows plenty of issues that aren't going to affect anyone in reality, and no maintainer wants to be pestered every day about the latest random thing that's gotten screwed up. If people

Re: audioconvert! the new super script to convert audio files! would you like to include it?

2005-08-05 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Rodney Dawes wrote: Having said that, I've not yet seen the original e-mail, and have not googled to find the software in question, so have yet to try it. However, I still am not sure that nautilus scripts is the best UI for doing something which may be so important to the

Re: tinderbox breakages in moz, soup, gnome-menus, libgnomeprint

2005-08-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Tor Lillqvist wrote: I hope libgnomeprint is fixed now: 2005-08-14 Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] * libgnomeprint/filters/Makefile.am (install-exec-hook): Hack to make make install work, especially in tinderbox-like situations. See

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Rodney Dawes wrote: Not for me. The installed package on my machine requires libxml2, but does not have a dependency on libexpat. However, the dbus-gtk stuff seems to, though presumably that is indirect due to pango's dependency on expat, which gtk+ requires for obvious

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 13:33 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Rodney Dawes wrote: Not for me. The installed package on my machine requires libxml2, but does not have a dependency on libexpat. However, the dbus-gtk stuff seems

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Michael Banck wrote: On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: So how about GNOME doing this instead: 1- stat(~/.Xresources) -- if fail return 2- stat(~/.Xresources.compiled) 3- if ~/.Xresources.compiled does not exist

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Ikke wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 07:57 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Or simply use make with cpp-produced dependency rules! 15 minutes of hacking. Stopwatch just started, waiting for the patch ;) Attached. Ok, 30 mintues ;). --behdad http://behdad.org/--- /etc

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Alexander Larsson wrote: So, as Owen says, most of the time is spent just reading the cc1 binary into memory. I have no idea why it's reading around all over the place instead of performing one big sequential read of the whole file though.

Re: EOG features

2005-11-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Calum Benson wrote: On 30 Nov 2005, at 21:40, Lucas Rocha wrote: I'm having a little dilema about EOG redesign: should EOG be able to save image changes (rotation) to disk? I tend to say no because, actually, EOG is an image VIEWER (there is GIMP for image editing).

Re: Glib 2.10 / Pango 1.? for GNOME 2.14?

2006-01-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno mer, 18/01/2006 alle 10.21 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero ha scritto: Sorry that I dropped the ball on this, and haven't followed all the discussion. Other than Pango optimizations and and GSlice in Glib, is there a compelling reason

Re: CVS branches

2006-02-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: And I have a case when I forgot to add a regular tag at the start of a branch. So now I'm finding it very hard to obtain a diff of all changes since I started the branch. I'll have to do it manually, file by file, looking at revision

Re: requesting official list of modules and versions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Paul Drain wrote: - a remote user causing trouble (multiple incorrect SSH password attempts, for example). I would love Your system is under attack. So StarCrafty. :-D Oops, I successfully spammed ddl. --behdad ___

Re: Only one instance of a capplet should be allowed

2006-02-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Havoc Pennington wrote: Virtually all apps really should be single-instance (though they often allow multiple document windows). There should be an API in GTK for it, in fact ignoring back compat, single-instance ought to be the default behavior for a GNOME application

Re: release notes: first draft

2006-03-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Oops. Forgot to CC lists. On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Neat job. In front page: free software = Free Software Users - Performance: font rendering = text rendering (we did not optimizing the actual drawing at all, just the text layout...) the entire dictionary

Re: critical warnings; turn them off now?

2006-03-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marco Barisione wrote: versions = g_strsplit (VERSION, ., 3); if (versions versions [0] versions [1]) { int major; major = atoi (versions [1]); if ((major % 2) != 0 is_later_than_date_of_doom ()) I believe we used to call that 'minor'.

Re: critical warnings; turn them off now?

2006-03-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 15:39 +, Bill Haneman wrote: Since we're now in code freeze for 2.14, shouldn't we turn off the critical warnings behavior in gnome-session now? They'll turn themselves on automatically when the version number

Re: Supporting po/LINGUAS in 2.16

2006-04-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: On another note, can we please discuss major changes such as this, on this list, before deciding on making them goals that people should be working on? Completely agreed. As someone who wrote one of the current goals, I was a bit scared by how the

Re: Supporting po/LINGUAS in 2.16

2006-04-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Adam Schreiber wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Completely agreed. As someone who wrote one of the current goals, I was a bit scared by how the goal went live with review from only three people, and it could have been

Re: LINGUAS file support in po directories

2006-04-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 11 avril 2006 à 23:22 -0400, Rodney Dawes a écrit : OK, So, in accordance with previous correspondence I sent about the use of po/LINGUAS rather than ALL_LINGUAS in configure.{in,ac}, I hereby present to you, the Correct (TM) way to

Re: The Bango Project

2006-04-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Jakub Steiner wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 22:56 -0400, Jon Bolt wrote: The Bango Project With a perfect name like this, this project cannot but succeed! ;) Isn't that what Pango is called with certain accents? ;) --behdad

Mentoring for GNOME in Google Summer of Code

2006-04-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
three months long (it was two months last year), and the coder is a mortal student that is probably not involved in Free Software development yet, let alone GNOME. So don't list Write Topaz as one of the ideas for example. Your SoC administrators, Behdad Esfahbod Vincent Untz

Re: Gnome 2 infinity and beyond [was Re: Tango and 2.16]

2006-04-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Alan Horkan wrote: I return to my point about Gnome being quite different from what it was and all the change that have happened. A developer (an Independant Software Vendor (ISV) for example) could create an acceptable gnome 2.x application but using older APIs that are

Re: Mono bindings a blessed dependency? [Was: Tomboy in 2.16]

2006-04-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Jamie McCracken wrote: Definitely not - that is unmanageable and unfair. If something is optional it means there are alternatives and one alternative should not block another (as then an inferior alternative could block a vastly superior alternative getting into the

Re: Please review po/LINGUAS patches so that people can build Gnome from CVS

2006-04-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 16:58 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: The new intltool just does an AC_SUBST(ALL_LINGUAS), which may or may not cause

Re: Please review po/LINGUAS patches so that people can build Gnome from CVS

2006-04-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: The new intltool just does an AC_SUBST(ALL_LINGUAS), which may or may not cause sed to break, depending on whether there are any newlines in ALL_LINGUAS. And that's regression AFAIU. It's

Re: po/LINGUAS fallout

2006-05-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 16:17 -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: Since the move to po/LINGUAS, many GNOME 2.15 distfiles do not install translation files. Some don't even include the files in the dist tarball. The problem seems to stem from use of

Re: Fixing bug #330868 in a smart way

2006-06-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 12:31 -0400, Christian Rose wrote: On 6/19/06, Paolo Maggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was giving a look to bug #330868 (Adding License button and dialog to About dialog). It seems to me we are duplicating the same long strings (mostly the GPL license) in

Re: FreeType upgrade = apps linked against libttf.so need to be rebuilt

2006-07-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 12:48 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: OK... Which leads us back to my original comment that apps that are linked against libttf.so need to be rebuilt. Still no. Even rpms built using it don't need to be rebuilt, as rpms depend on /usr/lib/libtts.so.*, not the

Re: FreeType upgrade = apps linked against libttf.so need to be rebuilt

2006-07-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 12:07 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: FreeType-2.1.x contains libttf.so as well as libfreetype.so. See Fedora 4 5. In version 2.2.x, the true type font stuff has been incorporated into libfreetype and libttf.so has been eliminated. No, you are wrong. The

Re: How to make sure your applications still works with Bug-Buddy 2.16.0

2006-08-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 20:55 +0200, Fernando Herrera wrote: On 8/13/06, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing that may be very easy to get in Bug-Buddy, yet is very helpful to developers is the output form pmap on the crashed process. Tells a fortune in one list. Do you

Re: How to make sure your applications still works with Bug-Buddy 2.16.0

2006-08-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/13/06, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing that may be very easy to get in Bug-Buddy, yet is very helpful to developers is the output form pmap on the crashed process. Tells a fortune in one list. Do you think you can do

Re: How to make sure your applications still works with Bug-Buddy 2.16.0

2006-08-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 16:53 -0400, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 02:06:10PM -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Sat, 2006-08-12 at 18:44 -0400, Olav Vitters wrote: Having the X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Version is optional, but highly recommended. The server will automatically change

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 05:49 -0400, Richard Hughes wrote: So I propose, tell maintainers to link against linguniqueapp (as it's more sane that what we have already[1]) and then depreciate it in a couple of years time when we've decided where it belongs. This means maintainers like me get

Re: 2.17.1 release of gnome-session

2006-10-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 16:46 -0400, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, For some obscure reasons, I'm unable to use cvs. I wanted to branch gnome-session for 2.16 and roll a 2.17.1 tarball... Can somebody apply the fix in bug 362541 [1] and do all the hard work? I promise that I'm not being lazy :-)

Re: Proposing GtkUnique 1.0 as a blessed external dependency

2006-11-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 07:43 -0500, Paolo Borelli wrote: This would avoid yet-another-mini-lib that distro have to ship and then keep around for a long time because any random third party project may have started to depend on it. +1. - One class - One library - 4kb of private memory per

Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-05 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, So, everybody wants to find a steak that's slightly red. Oops, I mean, they all want spell-checking for free in all their text widgets. Spell-checking is as natural a feature as i18n text rendering, or input methods. Individual apps shouldn't have to bother. If editors or word processors

Re: Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thanks to everyone who responded! Paolo already filed this as: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383706 As for the implementation, Marco (of gregex fame) is already working on the glib side, Dom will be helping on the Enchant side, others are helping on the design, and I'll be

Re: GNOME git repositories?

2006-12-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 20:33 -0500, Alberto Ruiz wrote: In fact, now, a lot of people from the windows world can just use a simple tool like TortoiseSVN or Subclipse (SVN for eclipse) to create patches or download the trunk versions without using the commandline. Right. But how many of our

Re: Proposed module: tracker

2007-01-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:27 +, Jamie McCracken wrote: tracker is now in fedora and I have a Debian Developer putting it into debain and ubuntu so if distro inclusion is a good guide (which you asserted to last time) then why should it not be suitable for inclusion in gnome at this

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 11:39 +0200, Yair Hershkovitz wrote: Hi, I've been working lately on some bugs with RTL (right to left languages) support in Gnome. Thanks Yair for the work. I have few suggestions to help improve RTL support in Gnome: 1) I want to start a mailing list for RTL

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:41 +, Kjartan Maraas wrote: Isn't this really just a specialized group within the i18n team? Can't it be solved there without creating yet another list, keyword in bugzilla etc etc? Right. But gnome-i18n has turned into being a translation-only kind of list, and

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:26 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Unfortunately, gnome-i18n has already become the de facto list for l10n, so naming a new i18n list would be tricky. gnome-i18n-devel? -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 21:15 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: And how would this differ significantly in practice from gtk-i18n-list? - Owen People can discuss issues in Evolution, gnome-panel, Nautilus, GIMP, other apps... So far I've only seen such stuff

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 10:56 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: Sounds good to me, but there is (at least) one issue. Do pycairo-1.2.6 and cairomm-1.2.4 work with cairo-1.3.x? I don't see any pycairo-1.3.x or cairomm-1.3.x at either http://cairographics.org/releases/ or

Bumping cairo requirement for 2.18 from 1.3.12 to 1.3.14

2007-02-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thought this is automatic. Anyway, please bump. 1.3.14 has been out for a couple of weeks now... 1.4.0 will be out really soon now. Blockers are being fixed at a rate of 2 or 3 a day, and only 4 or 5 are remaining. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to

Re: Bumping cairo requirement for 2.18 from 1.3.12 to 1.3.14

2007-02-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:38 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: This page can be updated at any time by the release-team. Others not in the release team can update the micro version number of modules if (a) they introduce no other new (or newer) external dependencies and (b) the module has committed

Re: cairo 1.4.0 now available

2007-03-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 11:37 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On 3/6/07, Carl Worth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME should be able to update its dependency for cairo from cairo 1.3.16 to cairo 1.4.0, (1.3.16 was a release candidate for 1.4.0---there have not been any API changes between the two

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:31 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, Do you all remember that we list our contributors in About GNOME? The list of GNOME contributors is probably outdated: many people contributed a lot of stuff in recent years and are not there. It's a shame to not thank them, so we

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 00:01 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 06 mars 2007, à 17:31, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:31 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: It'd be great to have the non-ascii characters in hexa, so for example: Mariano Su\xc3\xa1rez-Alvarez instead of Mariano

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 12:58 +, Iain * wrote: Seeing as this is the only real reason for having this (I mean, who else has ever run the about program and looked at all the names in it) I'm not sure what the purpose of this message of you was, but anyway, I've done that a few times.

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 12:50 +, Thomas Wood wrote: I thought this was GNOME we're talking about. We do professional software, not pointless eye-candy, right? I'm not saying professional looking software has to be boring, but there seems to be a tendency to go over the top with GL

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 08:39 -0300, Germán Poó Caamaño wrote: On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 01:06 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 12:58 +, Iain * wrote: Seeing as this is the only real reason for having this (I mean, who else has ever run the about program and looked

Re: A New GNOME Order

2007-03-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 02:28 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: It would be very nice with a policy of separating the core and UI throughout GNOME. This does not only mean applications using libraries; this means using daemons as the core of every application. Couldn't resist mentioning:

Re: add libcolorblind as an external dependencie

2007-04-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 21:58 -0300, Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diógenes wrote: Sometime ago, I was talking with Daniel Ruoso about this and he give a good suggestion, that was to develop an applet where a user can select only a filter and this applet will start the magnifier with 1x, so it will

Re: Information needed: Modules in official GNOME releases but not on the official release cycle

2007-04-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:42 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: Hi all, So I was trying to improve our release documentation by coming up with a list of modules in official GNOME release sets that do not follow the GNOME release cycle, such as gtk+. We have discouraged adding such modules as time

Re: .so versions

2007-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:26 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: Could anyone please comment on the question of the shared library versions: http://www.advogato.org/person/svu/diary.html?start=95 Most modules I know use libtool versioning. yes. Here is the bits from Pango for example: dnl The

Re: Rise of the Plugins

2007-05-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 12:46 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 19:41 +0200, Andy Wingo wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Plugin vs extension? [...] My €0.02: I think that people are getting used to the Extension term, and it sounds

Re: Should GNOME Get a Global Application Menubar?

2007-05-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 13:28 +0200, Thom Holwerda wrote: Note the emphasis on option, and turned off by default. The poll results show that 80% of the OSNews readers who voted (1154 votes cast as of writing) would like to see this included in GNOME. Obviously, the statistic validity of

Re: GNOME Roadmap Released

2007-05-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Somebody's gonna get drunk in a few weeks! More pointy hairy: Thanks Lucas et al! behdad On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 22:48 +0300, Lucas Rocha wrote: Hi everyone, The GNOME Roadmap for 2.20 (and partially for 2.22 and future 2.x releases) is available at: http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap

Re: online desktop update

2007-06-05 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 15:31 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 14:30 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: We are piling a few more people onto this from the Red Hat end, and I created a Google Group for the project:

Re: GNOME startup time: gconf tree merging

2007-06-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 14:15 +0200, Denis Washington wrote: Hello, While informing myself about ways to reduce GNOME's startup time, I found a site named Analyzing and Improving GNOME Startup Time on gnome.org [1]. Among other things, it talks about the possibility of merging together the

Re: Versions of External Dependencies in jhbuild

2007-06-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 16:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 6/16/07, Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Overhere [1] are the versions of external dependencies listed. I'm guessing that the minimum version should be the one present in jhbuild. This way it can be checked if all the

Re: Discussion for a more robust panel layout

2007-07-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 16:58 +0100, Manu Cornet wrote: Recently the problem of changes of resolutions has been raised [1] on the usability list. I would like to start a discussion about how to manage the effect of resolution changes on the panel layout better than what we do today. This

Re: Discussion for a more robust panel layout

2007-07-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 17:22 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: 2007/7/8, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 16:58 +0100, Manu Cornet wrote: Recently the problem of changes of resolutions has been raised [1] on the usability list. I would like to start a discussion about

Re: Updating the icon cache (GNOME Goals)

2007-08-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 16:44 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Hi, I just saw this http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/AppIcon about making apps update the GTK+ icon cache during make install. This would be fine in a tarball-only world, but I wonder if distros will just end up patching out

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or don't get any SVN account approved

2007-08-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 00:36 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: Some Name E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Userid: svn-account-name Note that the userid is really important. Otherwise ensure that the E-mail address is the one your @svn.g.o alias forwards to. Can you make it understand [EMAIL

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or don't get any SVN account approved

2007-08-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:11 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Should be easy enough to make the script just grep for triples of lines following the pattern Some Name E-mail: foo Userid: bar and ignore all the rest. It's actually like that already. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those

Re: Full screen GtkDrawingArea performance sucking - help me!

2007-08-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 03:49 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: Hi list In my quest to write an awesome backdrop rendering app, I have this test program that draws random colours to a GtkDrawingArea. For me, any size over about 300x300 at 60fps just causes insane lag in Xorg -- the renderings seem to

Re: Full screen GtkDrawingArea performance sucking - help me!

2007-08-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 20:58 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: The problem is that the expose handler gets called again before the XRender operations from the previous exposes have finished. Hence, XRender operations just queue up behind each other at a certain level of utilisation. It's the queueing

Re: Python 3.0 plans

2007-08-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 13:52 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: - Do things more Pythonesque. Looking at Pango bindings, for example replace all to_string() methods with __str__. Same for compare(), equal(), etc. Or should it be in addition? Other example I once really wanted was generator

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or no commit for you

2007-09-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 21:39 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: I'm with Jeff and Vincent on this; I'm worried about the adverse affect this could have on the release, given how close it is. Can we consider delaying it until after 2.20 is out? How hard would it be for someone to intersect all the

Re: MAINTAINERS in svn -- have it or no commit for you

2007-09-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 9/3/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New list of missing modules (again, by comparing with jhbuild list): gamin, libxml2, zenity, libsigc++2, libart_lgpl, libxslt Of these, only zenity has translations, righ? Lucas? Are all the others unmaintained? Looks so to me.

Re: Maintenance releases for 2.20

2007-09-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 22:35 +0300, Lucas Rocha wrote: - gucharmap I'll make my releases on Monday. Am away for the weekend. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. --

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 11:41 -0400, Bryan Clark wrote: GNOME is not in need of a DSCM or any other kind of new SCM. For source control, SVN works fine, just like CVS worked fine. You probably have not used git-bisect before. After you use it once, all you can do is regret all the time

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 09:54 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Adam Schreiber As a maintainer for a smaller project where there are only 2 regular contributors (who are both maintainers), I count myself in the Why would we need this for our project category?. Also because where Carl and

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 12:10 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 11 septembre 2007 à 22:37 +0200, Soeren Sandmann a écrit : This is true. There are issues with git, most importantly that it was written by someone for whom usability is not, um, a core competence, but is has a couple of

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:13 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Hi Talking to Daniel Cheese Siegel we asked ourselves: Why do all GNOME projects have a ChangeLog file? Isn't it redundant when you just save a commit message. Because SVN sucks... I'm on a plane, I find a regression in Gtk+ that I

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 01:10 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: I am also afraid that we might be just becoming nothing more but geek fashion addicts trying to follow the latest RCS tendency without really building solid and constructive arguments ! I was going to be offended, but you warned :).

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 09:10 +0100, John Carr wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 18:26 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 21:31 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: I am wondering why discussion is continuing in the Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?) thread, why the discussion

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 14:00 +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: Hi, In Gnome Scan, i generate ChangeLog using svn2cl. See http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-scan/trunk/Makefile.am and ChangeLog: target. I also generate TODO from anjuta TODO.tasks. Note that generating ChangeLog makes it lag one commit

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 09:42 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le samedi 15 septembre 2007, à 21:44 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : Ok, lets be fair: most people who care about hacking on GNOME already know git, why should other options be selected? I don't think it is fair to state this. A lot

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:05 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/17/07, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le dimanche 16 septembre 2007 à 09:42 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le samedi 15 septembre 2007, à 21:44 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : Ok, lets be fair: most people who care

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the messages would no longer be grouped as they are with separate ChangeLog files. What's more, it seems most git users don't prefix their

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:30 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:57 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the messages

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 19:11 +0100, John Carr wrote: On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 12:27 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 09:10 +0100, John Carr wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 18:26 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 21:31 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: I am

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 01:24 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: One reason is: for previous commits. Moving to a generated ChangeLog means losing a certain piece of history because many modules have crap log in their history... Yes. Problem is solved by moving the old ChangeLog. svn mv

Re: Module proposal: GtkGLExt for GNOME 2.22

2007-09-22 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 20:51 +0200, Sven Herzberg wrote: Hi, Andreas Røsdal wrote: There has also been a lot of discussion about this in bug #119189 Add OpenGL support to GTK+. My NO for including GtkGLExt in GNOME. Instead one should go integrate its functionality in Gtk+. There's been

Re: Module proposal: gio and gvfs for gnome 2.22?

2007-09-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 10:46 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: So, does it make sense to add gio (standalone or in an earlier glib release) and gvfs to the Gnome 2.22 desktop module set? On one hand I like to say it should be released under another name such that it doesn't conflict with glib

Re: Module proposal: gio and gvfs for gnome 2.22?

2007-09-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 09:22 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:20 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 10:46 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: So, does it make sense to add gio (standalone or in an earlier glib release) and gvfs to the Gnome 2.22

Re: Proposed passing of the baton

2007-09-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 11:01 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: Hi all, Recently I proposed to the release team that it's time for someone else to take the role of GNOME's Release Manager. With their agreement, I bring the proposal to the development community at large to have Vincent Untz take

Re: Proposal: swfdec-gnome

2007-10-22 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 11:41 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Saying that, it would be nice to see some integration in there such as: - running a Flash game, and being able to click on a menu item to add the game to the applications game sub-menu - running a Flash animation, and being able to

pango branched, a while ago...

2007-11-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, Ok, I forgot to send this earlier, but anyway. A few weeks ago Pango was branched for 1.18 retroactively. The stable branch is called pango-1-18. Please update. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve

Re: TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 2.20.2 Stable Release

2007-11-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 19:08 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: [sending the mail for Frédéric, since his mail seems to not have reached the list] Hi fellow GNOME hackers, Did you release 2.20.1 and then realize there was this small annoying bug in your module? Or maybe people started reporting a

Re: Requiring DOAP instead of MAINTAINERS file

2008-01-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi all, I've read the entire thread. I didn't see my thoughts on this mentioned already, so I add them here. I don't care what the infra team does to keep an updated view of my modules as long as it leaves outside of the module and doesn't need manual updating regularly (even every year is

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