Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Havret
[+1] Leader/Follower [-1] Primary/Backup - it doesn't sound right to me, as it doesn't imply that there might be a role switch. Krzysztof On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:26 AM Tetreault, Lucas wrote: > Hey folks, > > I don’t know if I’m actually allowed to call for a vote given I’m not a >

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Robbie Gemmell
On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 07:26, Tetreault, Lucas wrote: > > Hey folks, > > I don’t know if I’m actually allowed to call for a vote given I’m not a > committer/PMC member but Michael André Pearce made it clear on Slack that > this was the only way to move this discussion forward and come to a final

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Robbie Gemmell
Of the various things mentioned so far I would go with Primary/Backup or Primary/Replica. Sticking to just the original choices in this thread only, that would be: [+1] Primary/Backup [-1] Leader/Follower On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 11:43, Robbie Gemmell wrote: > > On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 07:26,

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Jonathan Gallimore
I'd be +1 on active/passive as well. Jon On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:06 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > -1 for leader/follower, it doesn't apply for current master/slave > mechanism, it's not the same semantic as in Kafka for instance > -1 for primary/backup, technically, this one could work,

[VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Tetreault, Lucas
Hey folks, I don’t know if I’m actually allowed to call for a vote given I’m not a committer/PMC member but Michael André Pearce made it clear on Slack that this was the only way to move this discussion forward and come to a final conclusion on the issue so here goes nothing. If I’m not

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
-1 for leader/follower, it doesn't apply for current master/slave mechanism, it's not the same semantic as in Kafka for instance -1 for primary/backup, technically, this one could work, but it sounds "confusing" to me +1 for active/passive is probably the most accurate and describe the behavior

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Iliya Grushevskiy
+1 for active/passive - very often is used in conversation Regards Iliya Grushevskiy > 6 мая 2022 г., в 09:26, Tetreault, Lucas > написал(а): > > Hey folks, > > I don’t know if I’m actually allowed to call for a vote given I’m not a > committer/PMC member but Michael André Pearce made it

Re: Removing non-inclusive terminology

2022-05-06 Thread Tetreault, Lucas
Hey folks, I wanted to provide an update on this work. After lots of discussion on GitHub and Slack it has become apparent that I unnecessarily coupled the work to remove non-inclusive terms from the "masterslave" discovery transport to the use of non-inclusive terms in general within

Re: [DISCUSS] Old releases docs on artemis...

2022-05-06 Thread Robbie Gemmell
I think it is reasonable to remove older docs, both to control the size of the site content and since people should be using the more recent things already. For Qpid the main docs page links to the current docs, and links to the 'past releases' page where each release page then has that versions

Re: [DISCUSS] Old releases docs on artemis...

2022-05-06 Thread Robbie Gemmell
I think that can have its own issues in terms of most easily (for us and them) directing folks to the appropriate bit of doc when answering a question, given how often users love to ask questions about not-latest versions. I've found maintaining a window of docs to be a good balance. E.g consider

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Xeno Amess
because that is actually what master/slave evolate, when in a new era. Xeno Amess 于2022年5月6日周五 20:33写道: > +1 for capitalist/worker > > Clebert Suconic 于2022年5月6日周五 20:27写道: > >> We already had this discussion before I think, and we decided for >> Primary/Backup >> >> >> if you still want to

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Christopher Shannon
+1 for Primary/Backup with my reasoning below. First, it's pretty clear like "leader/follower" is a no go based on the feedback so far so we can throw that out. For HA, there are slightly different use cases here depending on the broker and mode chosen with how HA works which is probably why

RE: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Chandan Singh
Hi Matt , Please see the below link https://ibb.co/xF6J6jP Regards Chandan From: Matt Pavlovich Sent: 06 May 2022 20:04 To: dev@activemq.apache.org Subject: Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1 Hi Chndan- Images get stripped from the mailing list. Would you please post the

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Christopher Shannon
Justin, Looks like you sent your response right when I sent mine where I mentioned I was leaning towards having different terms between brokers. You more accurately described the situation than I did. It's not so much a difference between 5.x and Artemis but two different scenarios of runtime vs

Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Chandan Singh
Hi All , I recently did an Active MQ upgrade for Spring4Shell remediation and upgrade to 5.17.1 . Since upgrade I am unable to see the active consumers and produces on the web console , the feature was working until 5.17.0 version . Any insights on same [cid:image001.png@01D8617A.7C5CA3A0]

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Matt Pavlovich
When a user pulls up a web page or dashboard with a field next to the broker name what should they see? Use Case 1: Why would it makes sense to a user that has a 5-broker NOB cluster see the term ‘primary’ 5 times? Use Case 2: Why would a user that has a single broker see a status of

Re: [DISCUSS] Old releases docs on artemis...

2022-05-06 Thread Clebert Suconic
I would prefer only keeping the current doc... older docs are part of the zip bundle anyways, right? On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 7:02 AM Robbie Gemmell wrote: > > I think it is reasonable to remove older docs, both to control the > size of the site content and since people should be using the more >

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Matt Pavlovich
+1 Chris and Justin rationale. I agree with having an agreed upon set of noun and adjective pairs for the project that the brokers can adopt accordingly. Regarding the url term usage in ActiveMQ 5.x— that instance of the terminology usage is being corrected in an open PR, and can safely be

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Timothy Bish
On 5/6/22 02:26, Tetreault, Lucas wrote: [ ] Primary/Backup [+1] Primary/Backup -- Tim Bish

Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Matt Pavlovich
Hi Chndan- Images get stripped from the mailing list. Would you please post the image to an image sharing site and share the link? Thanks, Matt Pavlovich > On May 6, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Chandan Singh > wrote: > > Hi All , > > I recently did an Active MQ upgrade for Spring4Shell remediation

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Christopher Shannon
I'd be ok with Active/Standby specifically for 5.x, but not sure if it works for Artemis or not without thinking about it more so I'd want to hear from people with more Artemis experience. I am starting to think more and more that to be the most accurate we may need different terms for each

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Xeno Amess
+1 for capitalist/worker Clebert Suconic 于2022年5月6日周五 20:27写道: > We already had this discussion before I think, and we decided for > Primary/Backup > > > if you still want to keep the vote for that... > > [+1] primary/backup > [-1000] Leader/Follower > > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 6:57 AM Robbie

Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Unfortunately, the image is not displayed on the mailing list. Can you please send the test case and image to me (jbono...@apache.org) ? Thanks, Regards JB On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 3:22 PM Chandan Singh wrote: > Hi All , > > > > I recently did an Active MQ upgrade for Spring4Shell

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Justin Bertram
> When a user pulls up a web page or dashboard with a field next to the broker name what should they see? It depends on which ActiveMQ broker they're using. In ActiveMQ "Classic" there is no configured state, as you note. There is only runtime state, and it makes sense for that to be something

RE: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Chandan Singh
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-8597 Regards Chandan From: Tetreault, Lucas Sent: 06 May 2022 22:53 To: dev@activemq.apache.org Subject: Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1 I just tested it and was able to recreate the issue as described. It seems to be related

Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Tetreault, Lucas
I just tested it and was able to recreate the issue as described. It seems to be related to this PR: https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/743. Reverting that change will show the consumers again but the original issue returns - not being able to see consumers for queues with a colon in the

Re: [DISCUSS] Use a generic logger in ActiveMQ Artemis

2022-05-06 Thread Michael André Pearce
+1 for switching to slf4j My only one and main comment will be that it is essential that the out the box configuration should result in the same log formats and codes as today, as I know many rely on log format parsing and rules for alerting, so to be non breaking change the log output should

Re: [DISCUSS] Old releases docs on artemis...

2022-05-06 Thread Michael André Pearce
What harm is there in keeping old docs? I’m a little -1 removal of old docs unless there’s areal pressing driver that cannot be addressed / resolved. E.g. what is the driver here? Space on the http server? I’d be a bit surprised if it was due to this docs aren’t that huge, and in this day and

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Michael André Pearce
My understanding was previous discuss thread was that we leant for for Primary/Backup What I was suggesting as it seemed it wasn’t closed out and it continues to rumble on was a binary vote per Apache voting on that as the proposal to end and close it out formally. As this is multiple choice

Re: [VOTE] Release activemq-nms-api 1.8.1-rc1

2022-05-06 Thread Michael André Pearce
Hi Krzysztof As highlighted by Tim, as you’re realising off the 1.8 branch some of the maintenance bits we do on master/main need to pulled/cherrypicked back to the 1.8 branch E.g, these https://github.com/apache/activemq-nms-api/commit/efc6a84c410d17154f85ad45b050aac31d3959ea

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Clebert Suconic
We already had this discussion before I think, and we decided for Primary/Backup if you still want to keep the vote for that... [+1] primary/backup [-1000] Leader/Follower On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 6:57 AM Robbie Gemmell wrote: > > Of the various things mentioned so far I would go with

Re: Active Consumers not shown in ApacheActiveMQ 5.17.1

2022-05-06 Thread Matt Pavlovich
Thanks.. please also share the queue list and connections page views as well ;-) > On May 6, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Chandan Singh > wrote: > > Hi Matt , > > Please see the below link > > https://ibb.co/xF6J6jP > > Regards > Chandan > > From: Matt Pavlovich > Sent: 06 May 2022 20:04 > To:

Re: [VOTE] Terminology to replace master/slave in ActiveMQ

2022-05-06 Thread Arthur Naseef
My 2 cents... For AMQ 5: Active / Passive or Active / Standby makes sense for H/A. NOB it does not apply - each "node" (H/A pair in case every broker is running in H/A) has active/passive pairs. So yes, a NOB could have a bunch of brokers all in Active state if none of the nodes is running H/A.