Re: [dev-biblio] important question
Our emails have crossed each other.
You are right for many fields there may be a need to select short/long and or
suppress/display.
To add to my previous suggestion of -
biblioref-attlist &= attribute meta:resource { xsd:anyURI }, attribute
cite:style:suppress { "author, title, ..." }
To Add
cite:style:short { " title." }
cite:style:long { "conference" }
cite:style:display { "ISBN" }
The cite:style:display would add a field not normally part of the citation.
How formatted ? probably just tacked on at the end - unless we have a whole
set of provisionally formatting rules which define the format (position &
punctuation) of field not normally used.
David
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 4:19 PM, David Wilson wrote:
> > Am I right in thinking that Microsoft's citation systems does not
> > support
> > footnote citations.
>
> Yes, that is correct. They also don't do author-year citations right in
> Word 2007 ;-)
>
> > And that do not have footnote citation flags defined in
> > case they might support it in the future ?
>
> Yes. Here's the tricky thing though:
>
> To the degree possible, local styling should be abstracted from the
> style, such that one can change to and from note and other styles
> without modifying the source.
>
> How would that affect the requirement to add the two you suggested?
>
> *Force Short/long title,
> *Suppress Publisher
>
> More broadly, under what conditions would one use these options in a
> note style?
>
> I also wonder whether these specific "suppress" options in general
> aren't more like a "use short form" switch? Put differently, what would
> happen if we only had two options: short and full?
>
> Just thinking out loud ...
>
> Bruce
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Re: [dev-biblio] important question
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> So translating:
>
> locale -- not sure why we need this?
I am not sure either. Locale information is generally needed only if the text
is NOT encoded in unicode. In the case where you have a 8bit character codes
and need the locale to determine the font mapping. I do not think Writer
would be preserving text this any way - text imported / pasted into a Writer
document would be converted into the document wide encoding.
> prefix -- already have
> suffix -- already have
> page -- already have (but richer, because not limited to pages)
>
> And then a second group which is more the flags I was asking about:
>
> suppress-author
> suppress-year
As in - 'In 1905 two fundamental physics papers were published (Heisenberg)
and (Einstein). ?
> suppress-title
Maybe there is some intext style that has a title as well (not that I can say
I have ever seen one).
>
> Am still not really clear when you'd need the last two, but would be
> happy to recommend these. But since here they are flags like this, it
> might be valuable to have these as dedicated attributes, rather than
> simple values of a single attribute (which would not allow one to mix
> the options).
>
> Any options?
Do you need to be able to specify all style attributes like "suppress-author"
as part of the specification you are working on ?
As in -
biblioref-attlist &= attribute meta:resource { xsd:anyURI }, attribute
cite:style { "suppress-author" }
Perhaps you could have something like -
biblioref-attlist &= attribute meta:resource { xsd:anyURI }, attribute
cite:style:suppress { "author, title, ..." }
were the options for cite:style:suppress is the list of fields available.
Otherwise we will be sure of latter coming up with something that has not be
listed in the specification stage.
I was thinking that with footnote citations perhaps a person may want to be
able to suppress any part of the citation. For example if I was discussing
the Proceedings of the First International Conference on the Ulster Cycle of
Tales, Belfast and Emain Macha, held 8-12 April 1994. As I cited each paper I
probably would not want to repeat the full publishing and conference
details -
Tristram, Hildegard L. C. “What is the Purpose of the Táin Bó Cúalnge?” In
Ulidia: Proceedings of the First International Conference on the Ulster Cycle
of Tales, Belfast and Emain Macha, 8-12 April 1994. Edited by J. P. Mallory,
11-21. Belfast: December Publications, 1994.
However having the ability to define a custom citation provides another way of
dealing with this problem without a lot of suppress field switches.
I hope this helps
David
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Re: [dev-biblio] important question
On Jan 27, 2007, at 4:19 PM, David Wilson wrote: Am I right in thinking that Microsoft's citation systems does not support footnote citations. Yes, that is correct. They also don't do author-year citations right in Word 2007 ;-) And that do not have footnote citation flags defined in case they might support it in the future ? Yes. Here's the tricky thing though: To the degree possible, local styling should be abstracted from the style, such that one can change to and from note and other styles without modifying the source. How would that affect the requirement to add the two you suggested? *Force Short/long title, *Suppress Publisher More broadly, under what conditions would one use these options in a note style? I also wonder whether these specific "suppress" options in general aren't more like a "use short form" switch? Put differently, what would happen if we only had two options: short and full? Just thinking out loud ... Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev-biblio] important question
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Well, here's the citation field switches in Microsoft's Open XML > format Bruce, Am I right in thinking that Microsoft's citation systems does not support footnote citations. And that do not have footnote citation flags defined in case they might support it in the future ? David -- --- David N. Wilson Co-Project Lead for the Bibliographic OpenOffice.org Project http://bibliographic.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev-biblio] important question
Well, here's the citation field switches in Microsoft's Open XML format, which we have to be able to convert in and out of: \l The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the locale which shall be used in conjunction with the specified bibliographic style to format the citation in the document. \f The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the prefix which shall be prepended to the citation. \s The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the suffix which shall be appended to the citation. \p The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the page number associated with the citation. \v The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the volume number associated with the citation. \n Specifies that the author information shall be suppressed from the citation. \t Specifies that the title information shall be suppressed from the citation. \y Specifies that the year information shall be suppressed from the citation. \m The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the Tag (§7.6.2.65) element value for another source to be included in this citation's field result. So translating: locale -- not sure why we need this? prefix -- already have suffix -- already have page -- already have (but richer, because not limited to pages) And then a second group which is more the flags I was asking about: suppress-author suppress-year suppress-title Am still not really clear when you'd need the last two, but would be happy to recommend these. But since here they are flags like this, it might be valuable to have these as dedicated attributes, rather than simple values of a single attribute (which would not allow one to mix the options). Any options? Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev-biblio] smarttags in OOo
Hi CPH, On Jan 27, 2007, at 8:02 AM, CPHennessy wrote: I'm not sure if it makes sense but would the smarttags feature which was recently added be useful to develope the citation component ? Yeah, maybe. A few months ago I talked to the guys who were working on this about our work and the metadata stuff going on at the ODF TC. Hopefully it'll all come together. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev-biblio] smarttags in OOo
I'm not sure if it makes sense but would the smarttags feature which was recently added be useful to develope the citation component ? http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/successful_community_project_smart_tags -- CPH : openoffice.org contributor Maybe your question has been answered already? http://user-faq.openoffice.org/#FAQ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
