Re: [Fwd: Re: [dev-biblio] document/collection types]

2007-07-31 Thread Florian Schlichting
 One small question: many articles are published  ahead of print. Do they 
 have an ISBN? Or is the ISBN available only after publishing in written 
 format? Does anyone know more exactly how this EPUB works?

from talking to the eprints guy at my former university, I understood
that it boils down to the following:

- a publication is any written work that is available to the public. You
  may argue about the poster put up in your neighbourhood, but anything
  freely available via http is definitely published. If you delete your
  website, it has a status similar to a book out of print.

  This has *nothing* do to with academic merit, obviously, but think of
  glossy magazines...

- ISBN and ISSN numbers are a system between publishing houses,
  stockists and book shops to uniquely identify things to be sold. ISBN
  numbers are allocated to publishing houses in bulk, for a minor fee.
  Your university library probably has an allocation and could provide
  you with a number, only that they might be concerned about an
  efficient procedure regarding requests from book shops if they're not
  handling the printing etc themselves.

  Things that have an ISBN number are certainly published, but it would
  be mistaken to infer the opposite regarding works that do not. You can
  put an ISBN number on a PDF you put up on your website, but it makes
  little sense

Florian

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [dev-biblio] document/collection types]

2007-07-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus

Matthias Steffens wrote:

My tendency has been to think in terms like libraries think; 
more about the physical form. So a book is always a document, 
whether it includes separate items or not.



Good for me.


I agree that clearly defining the words collection and container
is important. The lack of a clear definition caused quite some
confusion when discussing this stuff at the Zotero forums:


Yeah, I know.

Let's try this. I'm going to try to link this into the FRBR world view.

Document: a written, transcribed, or recorded manifestation of a work 
typically intended to communicate some intellectual or artistic 
information or ideas.


Collection: a collection of documents

By this definition, an edited book or a proceeding both qualify as 
documents because those objects are themselves manifestations. OTOH, I 
think one could say they also qualify as collections because they each 
contain separate documents (unlike, say, an authored book, which only 
contains sub-documents parts like chapters).


We could say, then, that edited books and proceedings are both 
subclasses of a union of Document and Collection. E.g. they are neither 
one nor the other, but both.


Am not sure this actually helps or simply confuses things more!

Bruce

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