Re: woody questions

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi: This is a nice discussion. Comments below 3. What about mutiple page forms? Especially non-wizard (navigate from any page to any page, etc.) forms? I recall reading something about handling multipage forms as separate forms tied together by a flowscript controller? However, are

Tabs on Cocoon site

2003-10-17 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
Hi guys girls! Had a look at the updated Cocoon site and it is great to see that the layout is now displayed correctly in IE. Though, I don't quite understand why the left menu is still that overcrowded while we have a nice possibility in Forrest to group related items into separate tabs. I

RE: Tabs on Cocoon site

2003-10-17 Thread Conal Tuohy
Konstantin Piroumian wrote: Had a look at the updated Cocoon site and it is great to see that the layout is now displayed correctly in IE. Though, I don't quite understand why the left menu is still that overcrowded while we have a nice possibility in Forrest to group related items into

Re: Why not JDOM, why DOM ?

2003-10-17 Thread Olivier Billard
Thanks Jeff, it is in fact very interesting. -- Olivier On 17/10/2003 00:09, Jeff Ramsdale wrote: Here's some info you might find useful concerning XML parsing performance: http://www.sosnoski.com/opensrc/xmlbench/index.html Note it's a little out of date, but probably still somewhat relevant.

Re: woody questions

2003-10-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: This is a nice discussion. Comments below 3. What about mutiple page forms? Especially non-wizard (navigate from any page to any page, etc.) forms? I recall reading something about handling multipage forms as separate forms tied together by a

[Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Barzilai Spinak
Sylvain, or whoever can clarify this: Recenlty there was an addition of woody2.js for flowscript handlinf of Woody. It looks like woody2.js is a new version of woody.js (deprecating the latter). Or is it just an addition? Forms used to have a show method. Now in woody2.js they have a

RE: [RT] Rethinking the SourceResolver concept

2003-10-17 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Mmmh... what if a ThreadSafe component declared in cocoon.xconf expects an URI (a string) and then uses the Avalon resolver to get a Source? What base URI will be considered? The cocoon context directory? I'm not sure we can avoid keeping the current base URI in a

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Barzilai Spinak wrote: Sylvain, or whoever can clarify this: Recenlty there was an addition of woody2.js for flowscript handlinf of Woody. It looks like woody2.js is a new version of woody.js (deprecating the latter). Or is it just an addition? Exactly. This a new version which is a

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Barzilai Spinak dijo: Right now, the best Woody documentation there is, is the one at the Wiki pages which is several eons old and just shows a lot of disperesed concepts and bits but not the wires that make them work with each other. Hi Barzilai: First, your name is not very common in this

Cocoon in Batch Environment

2003-10-17 Thread friedrich . klenner
Hello * I want to write a small JMS server that reads a message from the queue and generates a report using cocoon. The generation of the reports spends a long time in SOL querys and they can also grow very large. So i can't generate them online in our webapplikation. But we need PDF and Excel

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Barzilai Spinak dijo: Right now, the best Woody documentation there is, is the one at the Wiki pages which is several eons old and just shows a lot of disperesed concepts and bits but not the wires that make them work with each other. Hi Barzilai: First, your name

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Sylvain Wallez dijo: Yep. And posts like Barzilai's one make me wonder if we should stop development in the 2.1 repo and move it over to 2.2 into a new cforms (Cocoon forms) block. Note that this doesn't prevent to backport this block to 2.1 before an official 2.2 release if we consider that

Re: Tabs on Cocoon site

2003-10-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Konstantin Piroumian wrote: Hi guys girls! Had a look at the updated Cocoon site and it is great to see that the layout is now displayed correctly in IE. Though, I don't quite understand why the left menu is still that overcrowded while we have a nice possibility in Forrest to group related

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Ugo Cei
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Sylvain Wallez dijo: Yep. And posts like Barzilai's one make me wonder if we should stop development in the 2.1 repo and move it over to 2.2 into a new cforms (Cocoon forms) block. Note that this doesn't prevent to backport this block to 2.1 before an official 2.2 release

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Ugo Cei dijo: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Sylvain Wallez dijo: Yep. And posts like Barzilai's one make me wonder if we should stop development in the 2.1 repo and move it over to 2.2 into a new cforms (Cocoon forms) block. Note that this doesn't prevent to backport this block to 2.1 before an

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread leo leonid
On Oct 17, 2003, at 12:39 PM, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Sylvain Wallez dijo: Yep. And posts like Barzilai's one make me wonder if we should stop development in the 2.1 repo and move it over to 2.2 into a new cforms (Cocoon forms) block. Note that this doesn't prevent to backport this block to 2.1

Re: [wiki] Cocoon jobs section

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Johann Romefort dijo: Hi, Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but what about adding a Cocoon Jobs section to the wiki? This could be divided into two subsections, developers searching for a Cocoon job, and companies looking for developpers with Cocoon skills. We sometimes have some needs in

Re: [Woody] woody.js (show) woody2.js (showForm) et al

2003-10-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Sylvain Wallez dijo: Yep. And posts like Barzilai's one make me wonder if we should stop development in the 2.1 repo and move it over to 2.2 into a new cforms (Cocoon forms) block. Note that this doesn't prevent to backport this block to 2.1 before an official 2.2

[VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to maintain, so I'd like him to have a more

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to maintain, so I'd like

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Guido Casper
Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. I was a bit confused by the difference between your subject and your mail body. Hahaha :,-D it seems that I'm unable to conceal my inner feelings. I'm +1 with both, actually. So

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1, welcome! -Bertrand

[OT] Cocoon watches

2003-10-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
http://www.watches-lexic.ch/pages/eng/gal/wat/faconnable6.htm The gadget for the next GT? Mmmh... maybe not, if we want to keep the price low ;-) Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez Anyware Technologies http://www.apache.org/~sylvain http://www.anyware-tech.com

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Marcus Crafter
Hi All, +1 from me too, welcome Unico :) Cheers, Marcus On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 15:27, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1, welcome! -Bertrand

Re: Tabs on Cocoon site

2003-10-17 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
From: Geoff Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Piroumian wrote: ... Had a look at the updated Cocoon site and it is great to see that the layout is now displayed correctly in IE. ... Sounds great to me. AFAIK no one fixed the IE layout - I'd assumed this came from an upgrade in Forrest

Re: [wiki] Cocoon jobs section

2003-10-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 17 oct 2003, à 14:19 Europe/Zurich, Antonio Gallardo a écrit : ...When you will have some places to be filled by people with skills in cocoon. I think you can post a message to the users list and request off topic replies for your mail. I saw this is the current approach that some

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Geoff Howard wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1 -- System Development VIRBUS AG Fon +49(0)341-979-7419 Fax +49(0)341-979-7409 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.virbus.de

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE]

2003-10-17 Thread Upayavira
Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to maintain, so I'd like him

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Tony Collen
Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to maintain, so I'd like

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Ugo Cei
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1 Ugo -- Ugo Cei - Consorzio di Bioingegneria e Informatica Medica P.le Volontari del Sangue, 2 - 27100 Pavia - Italy Phone: +39.0382.525100 - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: EffectTransformer/WoodyTemplateTransformer

2003-10-17 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 22:31, Timothy Larson wrote: Attn: Bruno, Sylvain, and anyone else working with Woody. Would you take a look at the WoodyTemplateTransformer attached to: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=TimLarson and let me know if it is suitable to replace the current class?

about the function process of Form Class in lastest version Woody

2003-10-17 Thread Jianyu Wang
hello Sylvain I have a question about the function process(FormContext) in Form. at first, I don´t use the standard woody2.js, also I mean I use my way to build a form(maybe here is the problem?), it runs correctly by older woody which using formhandler pattern. now I use actionlistener pattern

Re: Modular DB Actions, MS SQLServer and AutoIncrement columns? SOLVED

2003-10-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Andrzej Jan Taramina wrote: I'm trying to figure out how to use MS SQLServer 2K's Identity columns as a primary key, which automatically generate a new value for the field when using Modular DB Actions to do an insert. I kinda thought it should look like this for an identity column called id in

GT Videos

2003-10-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Oct 17, 2003, at 12:39 Europe/Rome, Antonio Gallardo wrote: I am sure many people that could not go to Ghent (as me) is very happy for the effort that Stefano did doing the AVI's. It is really great to see what there happens, see all the presentations and get a better feel of what

RE: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will

[BUG] [2.1CVS] Inner classes not being recompiled

2003-10-17 Thread Timothy Larson
[BUG] Inner classes not being recompiled Observed in a Cocoon 2.1 snapshot from Oct 9, 2003. Inner classes are not recompiled when file containing them is modified. This may be the cause of the strange behaviour Bruno observed in this email:

Re: Modular DB Actions, MS SQLServer and AutoIncrement columns? SOLVED

2003-10-17 Thread Christian Haul
Andrzej Jan Taramina wrote: So I wrote a quick SQLServer Identity AutoIncrement module for Cocoon that resolved this issue for me. It's called org.apache.cocoon.components.modules.database.SQLServerIdentityAutoIncrementMo dule and was modelled on the hsqldb version that comes with Cocoon

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 15558] - IMAPGenerator Contribution

2003-10-17 Thread bugzilla
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DO NOT REPLY [Bug 15558] - IMAPGenerator Contribution

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Re: [BUG] [2.1CVS] Inner classes not being recompiled

2003-10-17 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 20:09, Timothy Larson wrote: [BUG] Inner classes not being recompiled Observed in a Cocoon 2.1 snapshot from Oct 9, 2003. Inner classes are not recompiled when file containing them is modified. This may be the cause of the strange behaviour Bruno observed in this email:

Re: [BUG] [2.1CVS] Inner classes not being recompiled

2003-10-17 Thread Timothy Larson
--- Bruno Dumon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 20:09, Timothy Larson wrote: [BUG] Inner classes not being recompiled Observed in a Cocoon 2.1 snapshot from Oct 9, 2003. Inner classes are not recompiled when file containing them is modified. This may be the cause of the

Overview of Treebuilder/Sitemap Builder?

2003-10-17 Thread Berin Loritsch
Anyone have a logical view of how the Treebuilder is supposed to work? It would definitely help me in refactoring things. As it is now, the Treebuilder is tightly integrated with the ECM, so it is something that won't work right away... I am just trying to get to a place where I can compile 2.2

Re: [Woody] Purpose of DynamicSelectionList.SelectionListHandler

2003-10-17 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:11, Ugo Cei wrote: Bruno Dumon wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 22:29, Ugo Cei wrote: To all Woddy gurus out there: what is the purpose of the DynamicSelectionList.SelectionListHandler class? Why doesn't DynamicSelectionList just spit out the SAX events generated from

Re: Overview of Treebuilder/Sitemap Builder?

2003-10-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Oct 17, 2003, at 20:36 Europe/Rome, Berin Loritsch wrote: Anyone have a logical view of how the Treebuilder is supposed to work? It would definitely help me in refactoring things. As it is now, the Treebuilder is tightly integrated with the ECM, so it is something that won't work

Re: Finished Video Processing

2003-10-17 Thread Jeremy Quinn
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Andrew Savory wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Andrew knows a lot about SMIL, any suggestion there? We shouldn't need to specify audio separately if it's in the video. It should just work. Of course, it'd be lovely if we had audio

Re: Overview of Treebuilder/Sitemap Builder?

2003-10-17 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Friday, Oct 17, 2003, at 20:36 Europe/Rome, Berin Loritsch wrote: Anyone have a logical view of how the Treebuilder is supposed to work? It would definitely help me in refactoring things. As it is now, the Treebuilder is tightly integrated with the ECM, so it is

Contract for config files

2003-10-17 Thread Berin Loritsch
Before I set up some monitors to let me know when the configuration files have changed, please let me know if I can expect the references to always be a File object, or should I keep it a string? -- They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty

OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread JD Daniels
Antonio's post about druid got me going again. I am farther along now, but this is my trouble... Inside my xsp: xsp:includejavax.jdo.PersistenceManager/xsp:include xsp:includejavax.jdo.PersistenceManagerFactory/xsp:include xsp:includejavax.jdo.Transaction/xsp:include

Re: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread Tony Collen
JD Daniels wrote: Antonio's post about druid got me going again. I am farther along now, but this is my trouble... Inside my xsp: xsp:includejavax.jdo.PersistenceManager/xsp:include xsp:includejavax.jdo.PersistenceManagerFactory/xsp:include

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread JD Daniels
I have tried adding .* to them all then I get cannot be resolved errors. I am testing on a windows box, and opened the jars with winrar; I can browse right to the .class files. JD -Original Message- From: Tony Collen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:43 PM

Re: Cocoon in Batch Environment

2003-10-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Upayavira wrote: Friedrich, I would recommend using Cocoon 2.1 for this purpose, as it has much more functionality. In 2.1, the CocoonBean provides programmatic access to Cocoon's functionality, including a method for requesting that a page/resource be sent to a supplied output stream.

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 23901] New: - [PATCH] [woody], adding wd:on-phase and moving load() and save() to Form.

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Re: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
JD Daniels dijo: Antonio's post about druid got me going again. We are in the same road! ;-) There is a light at the end of the tunnel, you will see. Anyone help me?? arrggh Take it easy. :-) Please first review if the samples are working for you. Currently, there are just 2 samples

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Steven Noels dijo: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want to maintain, so I'd like

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1 from me --David

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread JD Daniels
Ok, well i gave up on the XSP for now... I want to use flow and woody anyway :P The samples do not work.. NoClassDefFoundError: /com/sun/jdori/model/jdo/JDOModelException I look in the block.. and got confused about what exactly wants to throw it.. it doesn't exist in the jar JD

Re: Proper filenames for all jars

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
Torsten Curdt wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ Ah, poor old xml-commons. Unfortunately, not many people from other projects are interested in it. So it is very hard to get things moving. I think that we should try to help rather than push. All cocoon committers are also committers

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
JD Daniels dijo: Ok, well i gave up on the XSP for now... I want to use flow and woody anyway :P The samples do not work.. NoClassDefFoundError: /com/sun/jdori/model/jdo/JDOModelException I look in the block.. and got confused about what exactly wants to throw it.. it doesn't exist in the

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
JD Daniels wrote: snip/ The samples do not work.. NoClassDefFoundError: /com/sun/jdori/model/jdo/JDOModelException I look in the block.. and got confused about what exactly wants to throw it.. it doesn't exist in the jar Did you follow Antonio's instruction earlier in this thread about

Re: Cocoon in Batch Environment

2003-10-17 Thread Upayavira
Geoff Howard wrote: Upayavira wrote: Friedrich, I would recommend using Cocoon 2.1 for this purpose, as it has much more functionality. In 2.1, the CocoonBean provides programmatic access to Cocoon's functionality, including a method for requesting that a page/resource be sent to a supplied

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread JD Daniels
Yes... I browsed into those jars with winrar... and /com/sun/jdori/model/jdo/JDOModelException does not exist. I am going to go into the block and see if I can figure out what is trying to throw it. JD -Original Message- From: David Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

The purpose of the CocoonBean

2003-10-17 Thread Upayavira
I note from commit messages that Berin has completely changed the purpose of the CocoonBean. The CocoonBean is a published (if not entirely stable) interface, and therefore I think this needs some discussion before it can be changed significantly. It seems to me that Berin is trying to create

CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties

2003-10-17 Thread Upayavira
By default, running the CLI gives an error Cannot find CatalogManager.properties. I've always just ignored it. Someone on user list has just commented that this error can confuse (as to whether it is okay to ignore it), which is fair enough. Can anyone explain how I might resolve this (or