Re: Cocoon Release 2.1M3

2003-07-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 3 juil 2003, à 09:06 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...In order to get a 2.1 out sometime this year, I will do the 2.1beta1 on July, 14th regardless of the status at that time :) Fair enough - if FOM is not completely ready for 2.1, nothing prevents us from doing a 2.2

Re: [RT] Generalizing the flow

2003-07-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 4 juil 2003, à 18:02 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...Now things can be different, however, for implementations that use the same high-level concepts (a flow engine or a ServerPages generator) but a different approach, such as flow engines driven by an existing

Re: [Vote] Move flow related packages

2003-07-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 7 juil 2003, à 09:32 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Pötz a écrit : Is there a rule how long a voting has to run until it is valid? AFAIK there's no set rule for such votes started the voting last Thursday. Seems like plenty of time for everybody to express their opinions. -Bertrand

Re: [RT] Less is More, Finite State Machines and Balkanization

2003-07-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I agree very much with Nicola, basically only one implementation of something in the main part of the CVS tree, variants live in the scratchpad until voted to be integrated or discarded. In the same spirit, it might be good to ask for a vote (or at least a discussion) before adding any new

Re: [Vote] Make Xalan the default xslt processor again [was: RE: Releasing 2.1]

2003-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
So, I'm +1 on making xalan the default for the final release again. +1 -Bertrand

Re: [GT2003] Call For Music Proposals

2003-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 4 aoû 2003, à 15:52 Europe/Zurich, Matthew Langham a écrit : What a col idea. I'm +1 for getting Bertrand on stage - even if no-one else joins him :) Plase! Although drums are well known to be the Most Important Instrument In The Band (hem), drums without bass are like

Re: [GT2003] Call For Music Proposals

2003-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...a personnel survey of their programmers had shown a disproportionate number of people who where: - musicians; - left handed; - blue eyed. Very interesting - I am actually left handed too (and hopefully musician), but brown eyes. Nobody is perfect ;-) ...I've seen literature that proposed that

Re: MIDI block (was: Another music proposal)

2003-08-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 07:03 Europe/Zurich, Mark Leicester a écrit : ...Anyhow, here is my first block. This is the MIDI generator, a test case, two sample MIDI files, and a sample pipeline. What is the normal course of action now? Do I ask a committer nicely to commit it for me? If so,

FYI: SlopGenerator added (as the unstable slop block)

2003-08-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
SlopGenerator (Simple Line Oriented Parser) parses text files using very simple rules, where lines starting with a name and a colon are converted to XML elements. It is usable for parsing RFC822 messages, with some limitations mentioned on the samples page, which shouldn't be hard to remove if

Re: FYI: SlopGenerator added (as the unstable slop block)

2003-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 16:55 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : ...You're right, the Chaperon parser suffers on the fact that it expects a well structured input, such like programming languages. Nevertheless, it works in some cases of semi-structured input.. I'm glad to hear you

Re: MIDI block - copyright issue

2003-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 14:03 Europe/Zurich, Vadim Gritsenko a écrit : ...I'm not very comfortable with this either. I think one option would be to use P.A.Loeb's work as-is, i.e. add a jar with his classes. Another option - and even better - is to ask P.A.Loeb to transfer copyright for

Re: [RT] Views for readers

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 14 aoû 2003, à 15:24 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...But what if we write it the other way around : map:read src=docs/{1}.doc map:generate src=docs/{1}.doc type=wordToXml label=content/ /map:read I find this more understandable (but dunno about implementation): !-- if

FYI: PatternTransformer, deserves some publicity I think...

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I just had a look at the PatternTransformer and its samples, and although there has been almost no mention of it on the lists it looks very interesting for free-form parsing or enhancement of text (like adding links based on text patterns). For example, it can easily map text such as Here is

Re: FYI: SlopGenerator added (as the unstable slop block)

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 16:06 Europe/Zurich, Vadim Gritsenko a écrit : ...Let me add one more question: can we have both in the same block? There's no common code between SlopGenerator and Chaperon, and the very different ways of using them might create some confusion if they share the same

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 5 aoû 2003, à 10:29 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework compelling sounds like marketingspeak to me, I'd take it out for building serious web

Re: [OT] java[script]doc

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 12 aoû 2003, à 15:29 Europe/Zurich, Jeremy Quinn a écrit : I will have a look at qdox . unfortunately, I always found the Chaperon grammar impenetrable ;) It is not the most readable thing, I agree ;-) OTOH slop + PatternProcessor + some XSLT look like a powerful and simple

Re: MIDI block - copyright issue

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 07:03 Europe/Zurich, Mark Leicester a écrit : ...Attached is the block in a zip, and this is the gump entry (I think this is correct?): I compiled your block and technically everything is ok, great! I have a problem with the copyright notice of your MIDI generator

Re: [OT] java[script]doc

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 12 aoû 2003, à 12:09 Europe/Zurich, Jeremy Quinn a écrit : Does anyone know if there is an equivalent to the javadoc tool for JavaScript files? Did you try the qdox block? I have no idea if it would work, dunno how strict it is about java syntax, but it might be worth a try.

Re: [RT] Views for readers

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 14 aoû 2003, à 15:53 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...But shouldn't we keep labels that are already used into pipelines ? E.g : map:read src=docs/{1}.doc label=raw, xdoc/ map:generate src=docs/{1}.doc type=word2xml label=raw/ map:transform src=xword2xdoc.xsl label=xdoc/ If

Re: FYI: SlopGenerator added (as the unstable slop block)

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 7 aoû 2003, à 16:22 Europe/Zurich, Upayavira a écrit : Can your SlopGenerator handle multiple mail messages per file? ... Not as is, you'd need to recognize the From line that begins each message to separate them, but it should be fairly easy to implement. If you want to implement

Re: FYI: SlopGenerator added (as the unstable slop block)

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 6 aoû 2003, à 15:31 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : I see a class named SimpleSlopParser, which after expansion becomes SimpleSimpleLineOperatorParserParser :-) But SimpleSimple is BeautifulBeautiful, isn't it ;-) I get your point though: this thing doesn't do much, but I think

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-08-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 17 aoû 2003, à 19:00 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : lots-of-cool-stuff-snipped/ ...This means that, in order to achieve, back compatibility, when a block is deployed on cocoon, the sitemap interpreter asks the block manager whether or not there is some mounted block

Re: transformer developer

2003-08-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
thanks for your advice, i don't understand how the input and output pipe is generated at once and are not affected by each other... can you tell me more please (note that this belongs to the user list rather than here) Did you study existing transformers? Have a look at the

OT: spam (was: SourcepropWritingTransformer)

2003-08-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 27 aoû 2003, à 10:40 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : BTW, it's annoying getting every day 400 sorbig mails. spamassassin rules here - I'm getting about 20 of these an hour, and each one of them is cleanly spamassassinated by my mail server ;-) -Bertrand

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/samples/dasl sitemap.xmap test-dasl.xml

2003-08-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 28 aoû 2003, à 11:34 Europe/Zurich, Gianugo Rabellino a écrit : ...I'm using Catacomb ATM. It's pretty fast and reliable, with the only limitation of being MySQL only (but we might have a surprise out of the door pretty soon :-)). Thanks for the info! match patternSEARCH generate

Re: Blocks Manual

2003-08-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 28 aoû 2003, à 13:45 Europe/Zurich, Robert Simmons a écrit : ...On-topic: that blocks manual would be cool. Im having a hard time figuring out what blocks I will need for my production build There were lots of discussion a while ago on the docs list regarding component reference

Re: [Vote] Move from LogKitManager to LoggerManager

2003-08-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...and please vote if this is a change for 2.1.1 or 2.2. +1 for 2.1.1 -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Migrate from the aging ECM

2003-08-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
The new Cocoon should be able to use the new Fortress container. This should have little to no impact on component writers. It boasts faster startup, and it provides easier component definition. +1 I will be happy to do the work. +1 - great! -Bertrand

Re: WebDAV proxy available

2003-09-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 1 sep 2003, à 10:57 Europe/Zurich, Gianugo Rabellino a écrit : ...The hooks IMO should be in the pipeline actually sounds good. match type=request-method pattern=PUT act type=syncmetadatadb generate type=webdavproxy parameter name=url

Re: WebDAV proxy available

2003-09-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 1 sep 2003, à 17:54 Europe/Zurich, Gianugo Rabellino a écrit : ...This however raises a new issue: the whole operation should be atomic and (somehow) transaction-aware. If for any reason the Dasl component cannot update the database, an error should be thrown and the operation should

Re: WebDAV proxy available

2003-09-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 1 sep 2003, à 21:06 Europe/Zurich, Guido Casper a écrit : ...I don't understand. PUT doesn't carry any meta data (not explicitely). Do you mean PROPPATCH? No, but if you want to index the dead properties as well as live ones, you need to intercept PUT and either read the dead props

Re: Cron Block [was [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1]

2003-09-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 4 sep 2003, à 11:12 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...b) convert the scratchpad to a block (this would also solve the problem with the two velocity jars). Very good idea, you got my +1. - Bertrand (finishing up the first docs tracks)

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/documentation/xdocs/howto howto-explore-samples.xml

2003-09-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 5 sep 2003, à 08:37 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Modified:src/documentation/xdocs/tracks first-steps-track.xml src/documentation/xdocs/howto howto-explore-samples.xml Log: Make docs valid sorry about that - what did I do wrong to not notice that

block dependencies in blocks.properties (Was: Cocoon does not compiled with exclude.block.cron=true)

2003-09-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...We should add these dependencies to the BlockDescriptions wiki page (would do now if I wasn't on a train). OK. I already done this. There are in: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BlockDescriptions Thanks - I have added comments about the dependencies in the blocks.properties file - I

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1 blocks.properties

2003-09-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 7 sep 2003, à 13:36 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : ...Isn't this now handled by the dependency in the gump descriptor? At least I read something about library dependency on blocks (portal vs. html). So do we need this comments in the properties files? Especially for FOP

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1 blocks.properties

2003-09-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 8 sep 2003, à 22:10 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : Hmm, I'm not satisfied with the answer :-) Carsten has added a depend functionality to the gump descriptor and blocks-build.xsl. I.e. the user does not need to care and to know about the dependencies... In theory - but today

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1 blocks.properties

2003-09-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 8 sep 2003, à 22:36 Europe/Zurich, Antonio Gallardo a écrit : ...jfor requires FOP. Is this true? Please comments about that. It shouldn't - do you see anything that shows a dependency? -Bertrand

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 10 sep 2003, à 11:26 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...Would it be enough to extend our Anteater scripts (see Guido's mail) and add Anteater to our codebase and include it automatically to our build system? ... certainly a Good Thing it tests are not too hard to write -

[FYI] xml.com article: Ten Favorite XForms engines

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2003/09/10/xforms.html Mozquito DENG (commercial and Flash-based) looks particularly impressive to me. -Bertrand

Re: [Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I propose Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen to be Cocoon committers. +1 for both, welcome! David, you beat us again in proposing people who deserve it ;-) -Bertrand

Re: Anteater tests

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 08:41 Europe/Zurich, Guido Casper a écrit : ...How about the following change to the build? Uncomment the anteater-tests and remove the dependency of the test target on the anteater-tests target, so that if you run 'build test' only the unit tests are run. To run the

Re: [Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 09:04 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : Furthermore 2 really nice and (especially Antonio) compensational (is it the correct word?) guys. Totally agreed - it might be the correct word but I don't know it, could you explain? ;-) -Bertrand

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 11:33 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : I'd rather see the entire repository duplicated, and move all development effort to the 2.2 repository. Only bugfixes should be applied to the 2.1 repository, and occasional backports of new functionality if anyone wants

Re: OXF rebuttal (was: Re: Interesting comparison)

2003-09-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...However, Orbeon is solicitating comments, so I've put them in CC: I hope that they will be so kind to discuss and possibly update their informations Thanks, hopefully they will listen to your comments. And by the way: ... - WebDAV support, ... proxy (development);... FYI: nothing

Re: OXF rebuttal (was: Re: Interesting comparison)

2003-09-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 17 sep 2003, à 12:43 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Entering a marketing pissing contest would just show that we think we need to rebut their comments... I agree about not entering a contest, but I still think Gianugo is right in giving his opinion on what they

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/webapp/samples/xsp/java cacheable.xsp

2003-09-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 00:07 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : ... Modified:src/webapp/samples/xsp/java cacheable.xsp Log: Use new excalibur source validity. Was there any reason to use the compatibility mode or is this just legacy?... Legacy - I updated the sample

Re: OXF rebuttal

2003-09-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 05:36 Europe/Zurich, Niclas Hedhman a écrit : ...a continously evolving Feature or Evaluation Overview page is something else, and a good thing that is coming out of this, which should not be confrontational nor compared with X style +1 - thanks to Reinhard for

Re: Real blocks: some thoughts and questions

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 20:11 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...Component lookup I'm wondering how component lookup will work. For example, suppose I have a block where I want to use FOP, i.e. the fo2pdf serializer. I'll make my block depend on the fop blok (or the more

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 18 sep 2003, à 21:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...I understand that I can't load a class from another block. My question: Is it possible to load classes from Cocoon core (whatever we will consider as core) from within my block via new or are there arguments against

docs disruption (was: on better release and version management)

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 11:25 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...Now to the docs: Yes, looking back it was a very stupid idea to reorganize the docs. I didn't thought about links pointing to the old docs. I'm very sorry for that! I don't think it was a stupid idea - after so much

[proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I know, this has been discussed before and we decided to keep the docs mailing list, but: -The traffic on the docs list is almost nil -I suspect people unsubscribe from it to avoid the many wiki update messages -People writing to docs tend to copy important messages to dev as well so they

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 14:47 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...So what about the following (somewhat already expressed, BTW) : - start a 2.2 repo with only the Cocoon core (i.e. src/java) - copy blocks in the 2.2 repo only if they require substantial changes that would break the

Re: [proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 18:08 Europe/Zurich, Tony Collen a écrit : ...We wouldn't even need archives of the list then, would we? Rather, new archives.. the old archives may still have some use from the conversations that did occur Not sure if I understand, I thought we'd just keep the

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 23:14 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:31 Europe/Rome, Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Bertrand Delacretaz Le Jeudi, 18 sep 2003, à 21:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...I understand that I can't load a class from

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 20 sep 2003, à 14:15 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 10:03 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...Obviously - but still, do you want to let blocks access all public core classes openly? Why not? Making as little core classes available

Re: Blocks URIs

2003-09-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 22 sep 2003, à 15:59 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 14:05 Europe/Rome, Sylvain Wallez wrote: ... Taking the above example, does this mean : - http://cocoon.apache.org/blocks/pdf/1.0 for the block ID and -

[VOTE] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Just being slightly formal here to give everyone a chance to vote - I think we have consensus already. I have turned +1s to the proposal into votes below, please yell if you want to change your mind. The question on which to vote is: Should we close the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to humans

Re: Blocks URIs

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 14:03 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Yeah, well, too bad we already have something along 20 namespaces who already don't follow that convention. We could for blocks at least, couldn't we? using http://apache.org/cocoon/block/pdf/namespaces/foo/.1.0

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 14:26 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit : ...And maybe also use a low-tech way of adding a WARNING_BETA_BLOCK.txt or WARNING_SCRATCHPAD_BLOCK.txt file in the block source dir to make it clear to CVS browsers and coders of the status of the code. Or rather an

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 14:33 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 14:26 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit : ...And maybe also use a low-tech way of adding a WARNING_BETA_BLOCK.txt or WARNING_SCRATCHPAD_BLOCK.txt file

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 16:31 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...The system I outlined above seems really nice, but, IMO, has a few serious drawbacks: 1) it requires a central authorithy of certification 2) it creates an incredible amount of friction.. Right. Nightmares in the

Re: Flow and Web Services

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Dear Sinner, (sorry can't resist - but I remember you well from last year's GT, Luke ;-) Le Mardi, 23 sep 2003, à 17:47 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : ...Cool, it doesnt look like it will be that hard to code up so I'll get to work on it. I'm sure someone will find a use for it. As

Re: Website update.

2003-09-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 24 sep 2003, à 07:34 Europe/Zurich, Antonio Gallardo a écrit : How often the cocoon website is updated? Is the site automatically updated? I ask because I saw there are 2 cvs. IIUC (but I've never done it) updates are manual, see

results of [VOTE] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Should we close the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to humans (using the dev list instead), keeping it only for wiki update messages. We have a lot of +1s and nothing else - should I ask infrastructure@ to do the mailing lists config changes, or does someone here have sufficient karma to do

Re: Right procedure for rebuilding a block??

2003-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...So, I went and did a few modifications to relevant source files under blocks/jxforms and I'm not sure how to compile just that. So I rebuilt all Cocoon and then I substituted the newly generated cocoon-jxforms-block.jar It might be easier to test your changes by starting Cocoon with the

Re: Right procedure for rebuilding a block??

2003-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 24 sep 2003, à 11:20 Europe/Zurich, Barzilai Spinak a écrit : ...This might help in developing... I'll try it when I'm more awake. However I think I'll need to provide my own sitemap and setup my test application and all that If you implement new features, it would be good to

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 24 sep 2003, à 12:44 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ..Good point. Supported sounds less marketing intrusive. I like it too - supported vs. unsupported is very clear. -Bertrand

Re: Block Management [was Re: on better release and version management]

2003-09-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 24 sep 2003, à 23:08 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Wednesday, Sep 24, 2003, at 20:34 Europe/Rome, Timothy Larson wrote: lots-of-snips cause=agree/ The above suggests one simple, but really important thing: the block 'health' metadata should *NOT* be included in the

Re: Block Management [was Re: on better release and version management]

2003-09-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 25 sep 2003, à 12:45 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...I think that contributed and experimental are somewhat orthogonal, in fact, linotype can be considered both contributed and experimental Agreed. ...So: contributed - no broad community support supported -

How to check our Gump stuff?

2003-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Excuse my ignorance, but is there an easy way for committers to check that they don't break gump builds? Gump results can be checked at http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/, but only a few times a day (and BTW it looks like the problem described by Berin [1] is currently preventing Gump

Re: [Vote] Build infrastructure

2003-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 29 sep 2003, à 10:00 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit : ...What do we want from Maven? 1 - jar downloads: use Ruper or Ant get Seems like the only thing that's really missing from the current build system. 2 - generic targets? Heck, we already have them. 3 - what else?

Re: [Vote] Build infrastructure

2003-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 29 sep 2003, à 18:14 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...let's work incrementally. The less changes, the less likely new bugs are introduced, the less time we spend time arguing instead of moving along. Let's just move the exising build system along on cocoon-2.2 and start

Re: [PATCH][GUMP] adjust qdox version

2003-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 29 sep 2003, à 10:16 Europe/Zurich, Stefan Bodewig a écrit : ..The appended patch fixes the file name, but I'm not sure whether there are more out-of-date file names... There were several more, should be fixed now. I don't know how to ascertain this precisely though, just created a

Re: Ant/Maven/Centipede discussion

2003-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 14:43 Europe/Zurich, Berin Loritsch a écrit : ...Things like ANT should be installed like the tool that it is... I see your point, but IMHO the big advantage with including ANT is that the only requirement on the users is to install a JDK. As we're currently distributing

Re: [QVOTE] Releasing tomorrow

2003-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 15:18 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : I just released (thanks to Matthew) that I didn't explain.. I think it is realized, Carsten. Otherwise we will start to call you the realized manager ;-) -Bertrand

Re: Ant/Maven/Centipede discussion

2003-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 15:15 Europe/Zurich, Berin Loritsch a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 14:43 Europe/Zurich, Berin Loritsch a écrit : ...Things like ANT should be installed like the tool that it is... I see your point, but IMHO the big advantage with including

Preventing people from posting to docs@cocoon.apache.org?

2003-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
=106438916819282w=2 -- Bertrand Delacretaz independent consultant, Lausanne, Switzerland http://cvs.apache.org/~bdelacretaz/

Re: Preventing people from posting to docs@cocoon.apache.org?

2003-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 15:57 Europe/Zurich, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit : Can you easily prevent everyone except [EMAIL PROTECTED] from subscribing and posting to the list, or what's the best way to achieve this? Should be from posting obviously, sorry. People might need to be able

Re: not working samples (cacheable - multiple windows)

2003-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 30 sep 2003, à 23:27 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : Joerg Heinicke wrote: ... http://127.0.0.1:/samples/xsp/java/cacheable Is there any reason why opening every link in a new window? Didn't write it, but assumed that the purpose is so that you can compare the date stamp

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1.2 Released

2003-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 2 oct 2003, à 11:46 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : Apache Cocoon 2.1.2 Released Wooh-hooh! thanks Carsten! -Bertrand

Re: followup (offlist)

2003-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 2 oct 2003, à 11:56 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Why should we spend months in trying to come up with a solution that makes both Avalon and Cocoon happy for blocks instead of just implementing a design that we already spent almost a year designing? for what? ...

Re: [BUG] Building docs failed

2003-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 2 oct 2003, à 13:45 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...I see three solutions: a) Revert the restructuring b) Update the site c) Do nothing d) hack changes.html manually to include the new content with the old menu? -Bertrand

Re: followup (offlist)

2003-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 2 oct 2003, à 14:28 Europe/Zurich, Berin Loritsch a écrit ...For instance, if you changed BLOCK-INF to COCOON-INF, then it is very clear that the Cocoon solution is proprietary to Cocoon, and noone should expect a Cocoon block to function the same way in a Merlin/Phoenix environment.

[GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Following talks with Marc and Carsten, we have updated Monday's schedule to spare time for working in smaller semi-chaotic yet focused and efficient groups (aka hacking) in the afternoon. See http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=GT2003Hackathon (not yet reviewed by the official GT team)

[GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Following talks with Marc and Carsten, we have updated Monday's schedule to spare time for working in smaller semi-chaotic yet focused and efficient groups (aka hacking) in the afternoon. See http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=GT2003Hackathon (not yet reviewed by the official GT team)

Re: [GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 3 oct 2003, à 09:09 Europe/Zurich, Marc Portier a écrit : ...we currently have the idea of having a large bord with post-it notes holding all the issues to be hacked so we can physically check them off (other ideas welcome) I will bring a printout of open Bugzilla issues as big

Re: [GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
why not also cut this down for us in an additional 5' talk in the morning? You mean explaining the Bugzilla cleanup thing? No problem, we'll make something up with Carsten who came up with the idea. -Bertrand

Re: [GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I currently don't have much access except email so can anyone tell me whether we have change notes for the new version or where Steve can find them? http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/changes.html ? -Bertrand

Re: [GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 3 oct 2003, à 16:39 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ...Wishing you the best for the events. Looking forward to seeing that flood of commit log messages. Thanks - we will do our best to live up to your expectations ;-) -Bertrand

Re: GT2003 Hackaton: be virtually there!

2003-10-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 6 oct 2003, à 09:53 Europe/Zurich, Gianugo Rabellino a écrit : The GT2003 Hackaton just started. A few people (Matthew, Sylvain, Bertrand, Steven, Carsten and others) are blogging about all the different discussions popping up. We're writing (rather raw) reports of the talks at the

Re: successful Hackathon

2003-10-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi David, It was great to watch the Wiki pages building (special thanks to Bertrand) and the blogs I've been saving the pages but the credit goes also to Jeremy and Steven - we wrote them together working at the same time on the same page with SubEthaEdit. More people are joining this

FYI: GetTogether notes on the Wiki

2003-10-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi all, Real-time (well, soft real-time) news and updates will be available at http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=GetTogether2003Notes -Bertrand

Re: [GT2003] Thank you

2003-10-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Unfortunately the GT is over now :( Unfortunately...but thanks to everybody who helped make this a great event! I have a feeling that GT2003 will be The Day Of The Cocoon Web Application for many people. ...This showed that working together on the bugs is really very effizient, so we should try

[RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

2003-10-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Not really an RT, this was suggested by David Crossley yesterday (or sometime earlier, my body clock feels funny this morning ;-) Could we have a monthly virtual hackathon on the first Friday of each month? Suggestions: -Takes place on the first Friday of every month -Lasts about 24 hours,

Re: Brilliant GT!

2003-10-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 8 oct 2003, à 12:28 Europe/Zurich, Jeremy Quinn a écrit : ...Those of you who spoke it would be very cool if you could go to the wiki page we made of your talk, and fill in any gaps (lots ;) or link to your talk, if it is online somewhere AFAIK talks will be put online by

Re: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

2003-10-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 8 oct 2003, à 13:47 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ...from whenever someone sends a mail here saying that they're waiting for others to join I think that it should start at a specific time. We know that it is always on ... just be there when you can. My suggestion is 09:00

Re: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

2003-10-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 9 oct 2003, à 07:35 Europe/Zurich, Tony Collen a écrit : ...Hmm, 0300 in my timezone.. I guess I'll be getting work started when most of Europe is leaving work for the day.. ah well, better than none :) Dunno, people are probably also going to start later when coming back from work -

Re: Whiteboard Tool (was: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon (wiki pages))

2003-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 9 oct 2003, à 10:41 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...Which tool do you guys recommend? I prefer something that works for all platforms and doesn't require hours of registration or installation and is firewall friendly. Dunno. We'll have to try I guess, and not get stuck in

Re: GT2003: a few pictures

2003-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 9 oct 2003, à 11:00 Europe/Zurich, Luca Morandini a écrit : ...or... maybe... I have a sneaking suspicion: did I promise a beer to someone at GT 2003 and then failed to show ? How distinctively Italian I am then ;) err...I think someone tried to setup a promised beers counter

Re: Track feature requests in bugzilla? (was Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 10203] - Docs referenced by XSLT's document() are not included in cache validity)

2003-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 9 oct 2003, à 11:42 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...I agree it's a feature request and added it to the wiki page. However, can't we use bugzilla also to track (serious) feature requests? There are a couple of other enhancement requests in there, should we also close them and add

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