RE: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Christofer Dutz
Just thinking out loud ... The ASF could never be an entity that people could come to looking for commercial support. That would just be in conflict with being a non-profit charitable organization. However, we also have this discussion about the endowment from the pinaple funds donation. How

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Dave Fisher
We can’t know the motivations of anyone funding a “tidelift” effort. And we have trademarks / brand to help deal with misnamed vendor product. PMCs have the same guarantees with vendors and funders - none. Do we need a clearer statement about participation as individuals? Do we need

Apache Reporter Hangs

2022-03-02 Thread Andrea Cosentino
Hello, I just want to make you aware that actually the Apache Reporter Wizard is hanging. https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/ Thanks

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Ralph Goers
My experience with vendors that employee people to work on ASF projects is that they have their own internal processes that are separate from the ASF’s. For example, as part of their product they might deliver Apache Foo for Acme Bar. The version they ship might not exactly match what the ASF

Re: The Art of Community

2022-03-02 Thread XiaoYu
Hi thanks all sharing the book~ Willem Jiang 于2022年3月3日周四 09:50写道: > > Hi Rich > > Thanks for sharing this book with us. > FYI, There is a Chinese translation version called 《社群运营的艺术--如何让你的社群更有归属感》 > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 2:38 AM

Re: The Art of Community

2022-03-02 Thread Willem Jiang
Hi Rich Thanks for sharing this book with us. FYI, There is a Chinese translation version called 《社群运营的艺术--如何让你的社群更有归属感》 Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 2:38 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > I want to recommend something I'm reading right now - The Art of >

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Dave Fisher
The way this discussion is going makes me want to ask why should tidelift be any different from a vendor that pays individuals to work on ASF projects as part of their employment? The same neutrality ought to apply. Why do we need to make a new classification? All the best, Dave Sent from my

Re: The Art of Community

2022-03-02 Thread Trevor Grant
Thank you Rich for the recco- and thank you tan, I'm glad to hear Jono's new book is good too- (I bought it on impulse and was having second thoughts about it, but hadn't started it yet) On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:56 PM tan zhongyi wrote: > Thanks for your recommendation. > I will check it out. >

答复: The Art of Community

2022-03-02 Thread tan zhongyi
Thanks for your recommendation. I will check it out. BTW: Jono Bacon’s latest book is 《People Powered: how communities can supercharge your business, brand, and teams》 Which is also very good. Best wishes, Jerry 发件人: Rich Bowen 日期: 星期四, 2022年3月3日 上午2:38 收件人: dev@community.apache.org 主题: The

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Willem Jiang
+1. It will make the maintainer's life easier with this collected information. When we bring the commercial support to the ASF project daily development, we still need to follow certain rules to avoid the conflict with the Apache way we believed. Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo:

The Art of Community

2022-03-02 Thread Rich Bowen
I want to recommend something I'm reading right now - The Art of Community, by Charles Vogl. I regret that I didn't read it years ago. I'm two chapters in, and have had dozens of moments where I have been floored by the insight, and the clear ways of talking about what makes a community.

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-03-02 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Just to clarify "official Apache docs" not "official Airflow docs". BTW. This is case in the point - > I realized I made a mental mistake and put "Airflow" in my message where I meant "Apache" and now I have to correct it this way. In Github Discussion I would just correct it and no-one would

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-03-02 Thread Jarek Potiuk
> > > > 1. make sure foundation itself provides an MVP for at least two > styles of communication channels ("topic grouped channels" > and "instant messaging channels"). We've got email and perhaps > Matrix could be a good enough answer to the 2nd requirement. > That would be

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Thanks Roman for the initiative. +1 on it. I think this might allow us to focus on what we (ASF) think is really important and needed by the individuals who work on ASF projects, and set our boundaries and limits their individual approach as well as clear limits and boundaries for the

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 7:09 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> I still fail to understand the reason for looking for alternatives to > >> MLs for managing ASF projects... > > It's less a question of us looking for alternatives, and more a question > of observing the broader open source community and

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 9:23 PM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 20:12, Mark Thomas a écrit : > > ...Why re-invert the wheel? > > > > https://matrix.org/ ... > > Would we need to run our own Matrix servers if we want to make it an > alternative for our projects? > > Using

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Le mer. 2 mars 2022 à 15:19, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit : > ...Once we've collected that type of info -- we can then sort of "evaluate > vendors" against that list and see what they are missing, etc. We can > even issue a wide "call to apply" for various companies if we feel like it... +1, I

Re: Effective ways of getting individuals funded to work on ASF projects

2022-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! top-posting here, since I'd like to summarize a few points to see where we can take this discussion. Before I do that I wanted to thank Bertrand and Jim for excellent, short emails/summaries and also special thanks to Chris for an extremely informative recap of his efforts. Personally, I'd

Re: Include new GSoC 2022 project Idea

2022-03-02 Thread Paulo Motta
I also need a page refresh after taging a new project with "gsoc2022". It seems like the "table of contents" links are not working. To be honest I don't love that the Ideas Page needs to be refreshed manually and the information on it does not reflect the actual project difficulty/size. Is there

Include new GSoC 2022 project Idea

2022-03-02 Thread Bobur Umurzokov
Hi Team, Could you help to include below new project idea to project list , please? https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-451?jql=labels%20%3D%20gsoc2022 Kind regards, Bobur

Re: Thoughts on alternative communication channels for our communities

2022-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 23:05, Bill Cole a écrit : > ...I would actively oppose anything at the foundation level that requires > contributors to have *any* account with *any* specific 3rd party for > full participation... Good point, agreed, and that needs to be part of our requirements if we want