Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

regarding stats from other orgs, there's some research in this piece I did for MVC: https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-open-source-identity-crisis graph here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/mvc-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/slater_chart.png the data I found suggested an average figure of

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

On 12/21/2016 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr" wrote: >>> >>> The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the >> possible >>> email aliases for some 6000 people, no

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr" wrote: > > > >The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the > possible > >email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical. > committerid > >is still easier

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr" wrote: >On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: >> >> >To much work? For whom? In what period? >> >Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the >>hip? >> >> Well,

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > >To much work? For whom? In what period? > >Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip? > > Well, I think it would be good to get a new number "soon". Sounded li

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On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: >To much work? For whom? In what period? >Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip? Well, I think it would be good to get a new number "soon". Sounded like Daniel could get a number from commits quickly. Not sure ho

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To much work? For whom? In what period? Is this a short term endeavour? Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip? Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oc

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On 12/21/16, 9:01 AM, "Rich Bowen" wrote: > > >On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote: >> Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely >>not going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we >>recently elected an excellent committer who has never made a

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And don't forget the various contributors who speak at events. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/21/2016 08:3

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I think we could leverage Streams-incubating help capture the latter. Possibly as part of the social monitoring project we'd already talked about. Trevor Grant Data Scientist https://github.com/rawkintrevo http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo http://trevorgrant.org *"Fortunate is h

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On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote: > Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not > going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently > elected an excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead we > elected him to reco

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Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently elected an excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement with the community

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Not everything is going through LDAP. There are still a lot of solutions in place that are not hooked up to LDAP. Biggest examples: Confluence, Jira. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.ne

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On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote: > On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> >> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >>> Hello Everyone >>> >>> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >>> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to

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On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> >> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that >> responded to the survey. It h

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On 12/20/2016 09:51 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I (and maybe others) want to eliminate the argument that the response rate was too low to be used to draw conclusions. I agree; this was one of my first thoughts when I saw the survey response rate. --Jacob -

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On 12/20/16, 6:47 PM, "Matthew Sacks" wrote: >Alex, what does this have anything to do with diversity? I (and maybe others) want to eliminate the argument that the response rate was too low to be used to draw conclusions. See [1]. Thinking about this more, we might also want to factor in any

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Alex, what does this have anything to do with diversity? I think the main point here is Sharan's survey results and what that data means for the ASF and its future. To me it shows a great deal of opportunity to expand the influence of the ASF in it's general rol of software stewardship, and polic

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I have the awk scripts to do that all against svn logs. Since the introduction of git-based projects, either as a submission mechanism or primary tool, it becomes much less comprehensive. On Dec 20, 2016 20:44, "Daniel Gruno" wrote: > On 12/21/2016 03:30 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > > > On 12

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

On 12/21/2016 03:30 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 12/20/16, 8:11 AM, "Rich Bowen" wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >>> Hello Everyone >>> >>> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >>> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all

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On 12/20/16, 8:11 AM, "Rich Bowen" wrote: > > >On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> >> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that >> responded to the survey. It has be

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

Unscribe From: Pierre Smits Sent: 20 December 2016 17:01:15 To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey My apologies for leaving out: [1] https://s3.amazonaws.com/files-dist/AnnualReports/ASFAnnualReport-FY2015-2016FINAL.pdf

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My apologies for leaving out: [1] https://s3.amazonaws.com/files-dist/AnnualReports/ASFAnnualReport-FY2015-2016FINAL.pdf Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Tue, Dec 20, 20

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I, for one, thank Sharan for the itch she scratched, and compliment her on the result. Many talk politics (sharing their viewpoint) here in this thread, and elsewhere in this community. If that is the itch that needs to be scratched, then that is fine by me too... But in the near future (when all

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On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: > Hello Everyone > > A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting > the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that > responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect > this informatio

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On 12/19/2016 11:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > 2. Are there similar surveys available for say Linux Kernel, Debian or > GNU/FSF (i.e. other low-visibility, highly technical FOSS projects) ?? Bitergia did one for the Linux Kernel: https://blog.bitergia.com/2016/10/11/gender-diversity-analysis-o

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On 12/19/2016 11:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > 3. The survey was targeted at committers. Shouldn't we also find out who > "uses" our software. After all, by-and-large, we attract our committers > from our users ("who has an itch to scratch"). That is a primary point of > "conversion" and if the

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I don't know about anybody else, but I'm finding deep, deep irony in the signature quote you chose to append to your message. On 12/19/2016 05:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > > — > Pe

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Perhaps because it’s future depends on it? > On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > > — > Peter West > p...@pbw.id.au > “I am the handmaid of

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Let me just mention something said up-thread, about the ASF being about voluntary software... It is, but is even more about communities. One of the most important core values of the ASF is "community over code". Communities come first, and the ASF, as a foundation, just sets the principles on top o

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sharon deer someone needs to take your temperature, Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Shawn, maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all software that uses it) is

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yes, you are just being naive shawn how insightful of you darling Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Shawn McKinney wrote: > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his or > her hand up. Talk abo

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Shawn, maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all software that uses it) is sexist, racist and bigoted, since it doesn't prevent sexists, racists and other haters from using our software. And WE, the ASF,

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org Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his or > her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all of the BS > that accompanies i

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> On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his or > her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all of the BS > that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom. It is the impulse of petty > tota

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his > or her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all of the > BS that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom. It is the impulse of > petty totalita

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nobody requires or expects >> your participation that’s just fine. >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Peter West >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:46 PM >> To: dev@community.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Results: ASF C

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ay, December 19, 2016 2:46 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey > > This is one of the first messages you've received from p...@pbw.id.au. Learn > how we recognize email senders at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification > &g

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > These are volunteer resources. They are not your resources. They aren't the ASF's resources. Why does ASF spend scarce resour

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Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce resources being devoted to it? Seriously. — Peter West p...@pbw.id.au “I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” > On 19 Dec 2016, at 11

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The ASF is a volunteer organization of individual people. Some volunteers choose to spend their efforts on how the ASF might make our communities better. This is the community development group and the correct place for individuals to "scratch that itch". This ought to be a safe conflict free pl

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fine. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Peter West<mailto:p...@pbw.id.au> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:46 PM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Sur

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Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce resources being devoted to it? Seriously. — Peter West p...@pbw.id.au “I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” > On 19 Dec 2016, at 11:36 pm, Sharan F wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > A big than