Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/15/15, 9:46 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Where are you seeing discouragement of pilot projects? In the tone and content of the responses on this thread, including this one where it feels to me you are again using the maintenance and training costs to

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/15/15, 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project implements, thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of Infra,

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Where are you seeing discouragement of pilot projects? Any volunteer can step up and deliver any pilot for the foundation on a voluntary basis. We are set up to do that. However, if a service stood up by a volunteer becomes a core part of the ASF then that must be maintained in an ongoing

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: ...Infra should be encouraged to learn new things if the ROI is established by the pilot program... Of course, but when you have to maintain systems for years the investment is huge...so the return has to be huge as well.

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Pierre Smits
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Re: New ComDev VM

2015-01-15 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Site dev is just a convenience list. There is no committee backing it. ComDev is the right place. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel

RE: New ComDev VM

2015-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
I was thinking of putting the data in a JQuery DataTable, this will make it searchable and sortable. Maybe someone else will beat me to it. Sent from my Windows Phone From: jan imailto:j...@apache.org Sent: ‎1/‎15/‎2015 3:29 AM To:

RE: New ComDev VM

2015-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Site dev is just a convenience list. There is no committee backing it. ComDev is the right place. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Grunomailto:humbed...@apache.org Sent: ‎1/‎15/‎2015 7:49 AM To: dev@community.apache.orgmailto:dev@community.apache.org

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Pierre Smits
Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF? Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) for the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the present day or the

Project base data change for project 'ant-ivy'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-ivy by antoine: { category: build-management, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-ivy.git;, bug-database: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVY;, description: Apache Ivy is a very powerful

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Phil Steitz
On 1/15/15 3:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: ...Missing Q or C thing: The project is not dead. Bugs do not sit forever with no response. Questions get answered on user lists... Thanks - I have reorganized Antoine's

Project base data change for project 'ant-apacheeasyant'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-apacheeasyant by antoine: { category: build-management, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-easyant-tasks.git;, bug-database: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EASYANT;, description: Apache

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Kay Schenk
On 01/15/2015 02:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise their own ways to take security reports?... We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to

Project base data change for project 'ant'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for ant by antoine: { category: build-management, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant.git;, bug-database: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant;, description: Apache Ant is a

Project base data change for project 'ant-ivy'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-ivy by antoine: { category: build-management, GitRepository: ttps://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-ivy.git, bug-database: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVY;, description: Apache Ivy is a very powerful

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Phil Steitz
On 1/15/15 3:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise their own ways to take security reports?... We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to be

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Some (very) minor things. CD10 - distributed at no charge to the public. while this may be true at Apache it doesn't have to be the case. 3rd parties wanting to this model may find this a stumbling block. CD40 - Perhaps a footnote? for code donated to Apache the history before Apache may

Project base data change for project 'ant-props-ant-library'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-props-ant-library by antoine: { category: build-management, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-props.git;, bug-database: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant;,

Re: New ComDev VM

2015-01-15 Thread Daniel Gruno
Hmmm, maybe someone can look at https://jquery-datatables-row-grouping.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/collapsibleGroups.html and work out something nifty? On 2015-01-15 20:24, Daniel Gruno wrote: On 2015-01-15 17:00, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I was thinking of putting the data in a

New ComDev VM (was: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal)

2015-01-15 Thread Daniel Gruno
Hiya folks, as part of trying out the new projects site, I have set up a VM inside our infrastructure for us to use. the VM is called projects-vm.apache.org and is tied to LDAP much like people.apache.org is these days, thus you will need to have your public ssh key in your LDAP profile in

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Pierre Smits
See inline. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: I was probing the notion that it

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: ...Missing Q or C thing: The project is not dead. Bugs do not sit forever with no response. Questions get answered on user lists... Thanks - I have reorganized Antoine's suggestions about this to be QU50 The project

Re: Some maturity model comments

2015-01-15 Thread Lefty Leverenz
Oh, duh, it's the maturity model. Well, in context I found it confusing. -- Lefty On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Lefty Leverenz leftylever...@gmail.com wrote: In CO10, what does according to this model mean? *CO10* The project has a well-known homepage that points to all the information

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

2015-01-15 Thread Ryan J Ollos
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote: You can virtually put anything you like as a category, the system will adapt to whatever you enter. If you want a new category called bugtracking, just append it to the categories field; content, bugtracking and it will

Re: New ComDev VM

2015-01-15 Thread Daniel Gruno
Just a note/reminder: Whatever you push to svn goes public within 3 seconds, so feel free to use the site for your tests if you like. With regards, Daniel. On 2015-01-15 09:07, Daniel Gruno wrote: Hiya folks, as part of trying out the new projects site, I have set up a VM inside our

Project base data change for project 'corinthia'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for corinthia by jani: { category: library, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-corinthia.git;, bug-database: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COR;, description: Corinthia is a

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise their own ways to take security reports?... We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to be usable by non-Apache projects as well I'm trying

Project base data change for project 'corinthia'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for corinthia by humbedooh: { category: library, GitRepository: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-corinthia.git;, bug-database: , description: Corinthia is a toolkit/application for converting between and

Re: Some maturity model comments

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Thanks for the comments in this thread, I (think I) have incorporated them in revision 14 of https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: CD40: perhaps change 'previous version' to 'released

Re: Some maturity model comments

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: ... I think the LC50 is actually correct but could perhaps be phrased better... I've used your suggestion, thanks! QU30: Agreed, some projects may not do anything that is attack prone... Added a footnote ...Should there

Re: Some maturity model comments

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Lefty Leverenz leftylever...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, duh, it's the maturity model. Well, in context I found it confusing Indeed - I have changed CO10 to read ...according to this maturity model. Thanks! -Bertrand

Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for bloodhound by rjollos: { category: content, GitRepository: , bug-database: http://issues.apache.org/bloodhound/;, description: Apache Bloodhound is an open source collaboration tool to track the progress of and help

Project base data change for project 'httpd'

2015-01-15 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for httpd by humbedooh: { category: network-server, http, httpd-module, GitRepository: , bug-database: http://httpd.apache.org/bug_report.html;, description: The Apache HTTP Server is an open-source HTTP server for modern

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

2015-01-15 Thread Benedikt Ritter
2015-01-15 9:19 GMT+01:00 no-re...@projects.apache.org: Hello, The following new base data was set for bloodhound by rjollos: { category: content, GitRepository: , bug-database: http://issues.apache.org/bloodhound/;, description: Apache Bloodhound is an open

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

2015-01-15 Thread Daniel Gruno
You can virtually put anything you like as a category, the system will adapt to whatever you enter. If you want a new category called bugtracking, just append it to the categories field; content, bugtracking and it will (eventually) show up as a new category when your browse projects :) With

Re: Some maturity model comments

2015-01-15 Thread Rob Vesse
On 15/01/2015 11:33, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: ... I think the LC50 is actually correct but could perhaps be phrased better... I've used your suggestion, thanks! Great QU30: Agreed, some

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Rich Bowen
On 01/14/2015 06:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I wouldn’t even know what to ask

[maturity] QU40 - backwards compatibility, change or remove?

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, There were several comments about QU40 in the https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel draft, which currently reads QU40 The project puts a high priority on backwards compatibility and aims to document any incompatible changes and provide tools and documentation to

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project implements, thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of Infra, not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance Yes, this is why I'm