Re: Fwd: ApacheCon NA 2015 Travel Assistance Applications now open!

2015-01-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 13/12/2014 jan i wrote: The Travel Assistance Committee (TAC) are pleased to announce that travel assistance applications for ApacheCon North America 2015 are now open! ... http://www.apache.org/travel/ The passport/visa information on that page are still the ones for Budapest and EU

Re: ApacheCon NA 2015 Travel Assistance Applications now open!

2015-01-06 Thread jan i
thanks for the tip, I will get it corrected. rgds jan i On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 13/12/2014 jan i wrote: The Travel Assistance Committee (TAC) are pleased to announce that travel assistance applications for ApacheCon North America 2015 are

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Mike Drob
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Creating such a model has been on my todo list for ages, and in a related discussion on board@ people seem to agree that having this can be useful. So let's start - here's my rough initial list of

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Vincent Keunen
On 2015-01-06 19:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Marcel, On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: ...Since the only official releases *are* source releases the statement “source code only” probably applies to the source code release, meaning that

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread sebb
On 6 January 2015 at 18:31, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote: ...How about a compromise: distribution of releases and source: publicly, in a _consistent_ manner according to foundation guidelines?...

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 06/01/2015 Vincent Keunen wrote: On 2015-01-06 19:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: convenience binaries are not Apache Releases. Let's not forget OpenOffice and the likes. Having all users compile the source code *may* reduce the installed base. ;-) The binaries OpenOffice makes available

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Tim Williams
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/01/2015 Vincent Keunen wrote: On 2015-01-06 19:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: convenience binaries are not Apache Releases. Let's not forget OpenOffice and the likes. Having all users compile the source code

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 06/01/2015 Tim Williams wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: The binaries OpenOffice makes available for download from its official site are convenience binaries as per Bertrand's description. We are not going to ask users to build it themselves! We're heading

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
I would add something about the build of the sources. Because having sources without having a repeatable build or having no clue about how to build it, it makes the sources quite useless. I had some troubles recently with a project. Its build depends on a resource which is not available

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Ted Dunning
These are *open* source. Plotting strategy for marketing on a private list has no place in Apache projects. Private lists have very limited appropriate uses and that policy has served Apache very well. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/01/2015

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: These are *open* source. Plotting strategy for marketing on a private list has no place in Apache projects. Private lists have very limited appropriate uses and that policy has served Apache very well. +1 jan i On

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 6 Jan 2015, at 14:48, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/01/2015 Daniel Gruno wrote: projects unfortunately have a tendency to use their private lists for much more than committer votes and security issues, which I find is bad practice. If you as a project had a

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 Jan 2015, at 18:09, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: These are *open* source. Plotting strategy for marketing on a private list has

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote: On 2015-01-06 18:53, Vincent Keunen wrote: Good idea. I would just remove the only from Releases: source code only. Maybe say Releases: source code at the minimum ? It's not a problem to have some projects also release

A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Creating such a model has been on my todo list for ages, and in a related discussion on board@ people seem to agree that having this can be useful. So let's start - here's my rough initial list of items: Code: open, discoverable, fully public history, documented provenance Quality:

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Marcel Offermans
On 6 Jan 2015 at 19:01:01, Daniel Gruno (humbed...@apache.org) wrote: On 2015-01-06 18:53, Vincent Keunen wrote:  Good idea.    I would just remove the only from Releases: source code only.  Maybe say Releases: source code at the minimum ? It's not a problem  to have some projects also release

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Vincent Keunen
Good idea. I would just remove the only from Releases: source code only. Maybe say Releases: source code at the minimum ? It's not a problem to have some projects also release binaries, is it? Shouldn't there be also something about a minimum documentation? Not necessarily doc on source

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Marcel, On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: ...Since the only official releases *are* source releases the statement “source code only” probably applies to the source code release, meaning that it should not contain any binaries. Since

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote: ...How about a compromise: distribution of releases and source: publicly, in a _consistent_ manner according to foundation guidelines?... Works for me. -Bertrand

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

2015-01-06 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-01-06 19:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Marcel, On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: ...Since the only official releases *are* source releases the statement “source code only” probably applies to the source code release, meaning that