Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance

[Greg Stein]

On 2022/12/08 20:30:02 Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>...
> Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a domain 
> like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming asf.social 
> would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" accounts like 
> press@asf.social?

By definition, asf.social is an official domain. ... If it is not, then it is a 
trademark violation. One might argue the violation (good luck), but isn't the 
GOAL to have an official domain to establish a trust level?

Trademarks, but more specifically Branding: has stated that the ASF will not 
"grow" new domains, and that apache.org should be used. Simply to use 
"asf.social" would require a clear exception grant from Branding.

Next: each hostname/service under apache.org must be owned by an Officer of the 
Foundation. It was unclear for many years for many years who owned 
www.apache.org and the annou...@apache.org mailing list. The Foundation decided 
that is our public face, our public messaging, and should (thus) be owned by 
the VP Marketing & Publicity. M also owns our Twitter account and YouTube 
channel. By similar reasoning, M would own how an official hostname used for 
Mastodon would be portrayed to the general public; especially if it would 
become official messaging channel(s) for the Foundation.

Note: individual TLPs create their own accounts on third party services, such 
as Twitter and Facebook, without consultation with M That is a bit different 
from constructing an official [Mastodon] namespace for the Foundation. Who owns 
*that* namespace? (IMO: M)

Should such an official hostname be desired, an Officer Owner will be required. 
That is likely best discussed internally, but ENOCARE, really.

Cheers,
-g

ps. not speaking for Infra; just explaining how ownership of host/service $foo 
works at the ASF

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RE: Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

[Greg Stein]

On 2022/11/07 14:32:29 Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>...
> It could give provenance to a set of social media handles for legitimate
> Apache Foundation members, validating representation and preventing
> imposters. Not  sure how much that's needed but I have seen some
discussion
> on these lists about this  in relation to Twitter, Slack, etc.

I have never seen anybody attempt to impersonate Foundation Officers,
Members, or Apache contributors on social media. Maybe it has happened to
some individuals, but unless they're attempting to *defraud* the
Foundation, then it isn't a problem to be solved.

Personally, I see no reason for the Foundation to get involved with running
a social media platform. We chose Slack specifically so that we don't have
to host that kind of service. We write software, not solve the world's
issues-of-the-week with social media.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Comdev web pages for our communities of interests?

[Greg Stein]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:45:36AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Recent discussions around a website for our projects which are in the
> healthcare "space" make me think that it would be useful to provide a
> space for such "project groups" which share common goals.
> 
> How about providing web pages, under the oversight of the Comdev PMC,
> for such things?
> 
> We could have community.apache.org/c/healthcare,
> community.apache.org/c/osgi, community.apache.org/c/buildtools, etc.,
> reserving community.apache.org/c as the root for that (as in
> "communities").

>From an Infrastructure perspective, this is basically your only
option.  Communities/PMCs only get one website/hostname for their
activities -- community.apache.org in this case.

An additional hostname is provided if the PMC requests a VM.
Typically, we provide up to one VM per PMC, but there are exceptions
(for example: I think that ComDev has more than one, and I know AOO
has several).

The basic reason is ownership. Infra and the world know who is
represented by community.a.o ... but creating something like
healthcare.a.o does not lead to an obvious owner.

Also please note that a mailing list named healthc...@apache.org was
requested. Infra has deleted that request. Please keep requests within
the @community space.

Cheers,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF

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Fwd: GSoC Announcement: Announcing Google Summer of Code 2021

[Greg Stein]

FYI

-- Forwarded message -
From: 'sttaylor' via Google Summer of Code Announce <
google-summer-of-code-annou...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:51 PM
Subject: GSoC Announcement: Announcing Google Summer of Code 2021
To: Google Summer of Code Announce <
google-summer-of-code-annou...@googlegroups.com>


We are pleased to announce Google Summer of Code 2021 ,
the 17th consecutive year of the program!

The program announcement

, timeline ,
marketing materials
 (slide
deck, flyers), FAQs
, student
guide  and
short videos  about
the program and tips for mentors and students are all available.

For 2021 we are excited to offer smaller sized projects and thus a lower
time commitment for those interested in participating in the program. In
2021 all student projects will be 175 hour projects (instead of the
previous 350 hr projects) and the coding period will be 10 weeks. There are
many folks who have been unable to commit to a 350 hr project but are
interested in learning more about open source and being a part of these
amazing open source communities so we hope this will allow those folks to
apply for the program.

We are also changing the eligibility for students - in 2021 students need
to be enrolled in (or accepted into) a post-secondary academic program
(including university, community college, PhD program, licensed coding
camp, etc.) as of May 17, 2021 or if they graduated from a post-secondary
academic program between December 1, 2020 and May 17, 2021 they are
eligible to apply.

Student applications open March 29, 2021. We will announce the open source
organizations that will be mentoring orgs for 2021 on March 8, 2021, at
that point interested students should be reaching out to orgs that interest
them and talking through the project ideas.

Thinking about being a mentor for GSoC 2021? Reach out to the organization
you'd like to work with over the next couple of months and let them know,
I'm sure they'd be thrilled to have you as a mentor!

We are looking forward to another exciting year of GSoC!

For questions about the programs please email us at gsoc-supp...@google.com

Best,

Stephanie

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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

[Greg Stein]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:54 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
>...

> One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the
> expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our
> projects and update a list of things, which includes:
>
> * Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
> * Ensure that data on projects.apache.org is present, useful, accurate
>

Combine the above two? ... have whimsy also verify that a DOAP file exists?

Cheers,
-g

Re: Reporter Tool and Releases

[Greg Stein]

Nope... it's all Daniel Gruno ("Humbedooh"). He gets that honor, and
he gets the burden :-)

Cheers,
-g

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 03:18:38PM +, Claude Warren wrote:
> Greg, you forgot to mention the barbed-wire wrapped around your bare feet
> for traction on the ice. ;)
> 
> thx for the work on the tool -- I assume it is you.
> 
> Claude
> 
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 2:55 PM Greg Stein  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> > > Several projects did not report their recent releases in the last
> > > Board cycle. It would be good if the reporter tool would make it
> > > easier to provide the information.
> >
> > When I was young, we'd write reports by-hand, while walking through
> > the snow, uphill. ... It is not the reporter tool's job to create a
> > sense of responsibility, where it does not exist.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -g
> >
> > ps. the reporter tool receives feedback for changes; this is the
> > second that I've seen; nobody has stepped up to help; it is a
> > volunteer tool written by a Bus Factor ONE. don't ask -- help
> >
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Re: Reporter Tool and Releases

[Greg Stein]

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:52:09AM -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Several projects did not report their recent releases in the last
> Board cycle. It would be good if the reporter tool would make it
> easier to provide the information.

When I was young, we'd write reports by-hand, while walking through
the snow, uphill. ... It is not the reporter tool's job to create a
sense of responsibility, where it does not exist.

Regards,
-g

ps. the reporter tool receives feedback for changes; this is the
second that I've seen; nobody has stepped up to help; it is a
volunteer tool written by a Bus Factor ONE. don't ask -- help

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Setting up an official ASF swag store

[Greg Stein]

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Ted Dunning  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:04 PM, David Nalley  wrote:
>
>> 
>> The folks with high quality stuff have historically (~10 years ago)
>> required huge minimum orders.
>>
>
> Not so much any more. I have gotten very nice stickers from Stickermule.
> Their minimum quantity is 50 and for small stickers that is about $57 for a
> net price of under $2 / sticker inclusive of shipping. At 1000 stickers,
> this price is down around a quarter per sticker.
>
> https://www.stickermule.com/products/die-cut-stickers
>

The ASF has used Stickermule for a few years now, for stickers to pass out
at conferences.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

[Greg Stein]

Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even
when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I
said "No", it said "not quite right". That was a simple yes/no, and an
obvious "no" answer. ... That was the final straw after a series of
multiple-choice questions that I got "not quite right", thinking maybe I
missed some nuance. Not at all. When it said my "no" answer wasn't right...
Well.

The quiz logic seems broken.


On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A while back I posted a little logo game. [1] Well after a few comments on
> the incubator list around projects possibly graduating without fully
> understanding ASF policy, and some issues with recent release got me
> thinking is there another way we can present this information. So I made a
> little multiple choice quiz on ASF policy. [2] Give it a try [3] and tell
> me what you think. (It’s probably harder and not as fun as the logo game
> but aimed at a different audience.)
>
> Currently it only has a dozen or so questions with some variation, so you
> may get the same question asked but it’s likely to have different answers
> in a different order. Anyway if people think this is useful perhaps we can
> expand it with more questions and broaden the scope to include other areas
> like the Apache Way, how the foundation works and the like.
>
> I may of made mistakes and it likely some words and sentences probably
> need correcting. Proof readers and PRs welcome.
>
> BTW it doesn’t save your scores anywhere so if you get a question wrong
> only you will know but hopefully you might learn something. Have a record
> of number of people taking the quiz and results by incubating project might
> be interesting but probably a little invasive.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos
> 2. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheQuiz
> 3. https://rawgit.com/justinmclean/ApacheQuiz/master/compiled/index.html
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Re: IMPORTANT: Re: Forwarded: GitHub vs. FreeYourGadget Full Story

[Greg Stein]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Kevin A. McGrail  wrote:

> Sorry for my vagueness but this is important and you went left while i
> went right on the topic.
>

Your most appropriate venue is legal-discuss@, and just that one list.

-g

Re: IMPORTANT: Re: Forwarded: GitHub vs. FreeYourGadget Full Story

[Greg Stein]

We already keep copies of all GitHub activity on ASF systems, as mandated
by VP Legal. The ASF is set up entirely different from GadgetBridge and our
use of GitHub is ancillary compared to them. In addition, we already have
pro bono lawyers ready to assist at any point.

Please reduce the incredibly wide range of your To: header and minimize the
subject line shouting, if there is something specific needed. It is also
unwise to cross-post across private and public lists.

Regards,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <kevin.mcgr...@mcgrail.com
> wrote:

> Thank you Isabel. This is an interesting issue and there are protections
> against this very quick injunction process. My own firm had something
> similar occur and I am a designated agent for the DMCA.
>
> I think the ASF should immediately file an agent with the dmca
> https://www.copyright.gov/dmca-directory/ and add a dmca agent info to
> www.a.o.
>
> It costs 6$ and I apologize I never thought about it before. Thank you for
> sending this.
>
> I have cc'd the board and vp infra. Sam or David, I suggest we register
> today and get this done.
>
> Going further check that all isps and datacenters we use in the US are
> also in their. It adds a process and protection layer to anyone filing
> complaints.
> Regards,
> KAM
>
> On July 13, 2017 4:24:09 AM EDT, Isabel Drost-Fromm <isa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I thought it would make sense to share the following story with the wider
>> Apache community (those who shared it with me are on CC and can potentially
>> provide more background should that be needed).
>>
>> I believe this is one of those stories that are a datapoint in favour of
>> keeping all vital history of our projects (that is code, docs, decisions and
>> arguments exchanged) mirrored on systems we control.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 08:58:43AM +0200, Thoralf Klein wrote:
>>
>>>  the full story can be found here:
>>>  https://blog.freeyourgadget.org/our-dmca-takedown-a-post-mortem.html
>>>
>>>  There were also posts on heise.de and even printed in the c't. So I think 
>>> the german geeks already know it...
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you think it's interesting beyond dev@community feel free to forward my 
>> info
>> to the appropriate channels/ lists.
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback,
>>
>> Isabel
>>
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Introducing code owners

[Greg Stein]

Ugh. I suggest that ComDev write up some text explaining why this is a
horrible idea :-(

https://github.com/blog/2392-introducing-code-owners

Re: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code 2015

[Greg Stein]

Sorry. Monday was birthday :-P ... but my apologies, I thought no response
was an implicit ACK. I read it on Sunday and it looked great.

So, to be explicit: I re-read, and I'm good with those quotes! Thank you,
Sally!

Thanks,
-g


On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Sally Khudairi sallykhuda...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 I'll be going to sleep now and will check again in a few hours.

 Worst case we go without you. Kindly advise.

 Thanks,
 Sally

 [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
 brevity]

 - Reply message -
 From: Sally Khudairi sallykhuda...@yahoo.com
 To: Greg Stein gst...@apache.org, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com
 Cc: s...@apache.org s...@apache.org, \Ulrich Stärk\ 
 u...@spielviel.de,
 pr...@apache.org pr...@apache.org, dev@community.apache.org 
 dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of
 Code 2015
 Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2015 19:04

 Greg???


   --
  *From:* Sally Khudairi sallykhuda...@yahoo.com
 *To:* \Ulrich Stärk\ u...@spielviel.de; dev@community.apache.org
 *Cc:* s...@apache.org; pr...@apache.org
 *Sent:* Monday, 16 March 2015, 12:38
 *Subject:* Re: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer
 of Code 2015

 OK. Thanks, Uli!

 Greg --does the proposed quote meet your approval?

 Chat soon,
 Sally

 [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
 brevity]

 - Reply message -
 From: Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de
 To: dev@community.apache.org
 Cc: s...@apache.org, pr...@apache.org
 Subject: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of
 Code 2015
 Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2015 12:27

 I'm fine with whatever schedule suits you best ;)

 And no, to my knowledge, ComDev does not have its own Twitter handle.

 Cheers,

 Uli

 On Mon, March 16, 2015 09:29, Sally Khudairi wrote:
  Fantastic --thanks, Uli!
 
  Now we wait for Greg. I'll be issuing this announcement early tomorrow
  morning ET (UTC -5). I presume that's OK with you, yes?
 
  Also, does ComDev have a Twitter handle?
 
  Warm regards,
  Sally
 
  [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
  brevity]
 
  - Reply message -
  From: Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de
  To: dev@community.apache.org dev@community.apache.org
  Cc: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com, pr...@apache.org
  pr...@apache.org, Sally Khudairi s...@apache.org
  Subject: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of
  Code 2015
  Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2015 04:22
 
  Looks good to me. Thanks a ton Sally!
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
 
  Am 15.03.2015 um 23:13 schrieb Sally Khudairi s...@apache.org:
 
  Hello again!
 
  Below is the revised version that incorporates your changes, Uli. If you
  can please let me know if this meets your approval, I'd appreciate it!
 
  Warm regards,
  Sally
 
  = = =
 
 
  DRAFT :: NOT FOR DISSEMINATION
 
  The Apache Software Foundation Accepted as a Google Summer of Code 2015
  Mentoring Organization
 
  Hundreds of students mentored in The Apache Way of community-driven
  development since the program's inception in 2005.
 
  Forest Hill, MD -17 March 2015- The Apache Software Foundation (ASF),
  the all-volunteer developers, stewards, and incubators of more than 350
  Open Source projects and initiatives, announced today that it has been
  accepted as a Google Summer of Code (GSoC) mentoring organization for
  the 11th consecutive year.
 
  The Google Summer of Code program offers student developers stipends to
  write code for various Open Source projects over a three month period.
  This year, students will be paired with mentors from 137 Open Source,
  free software, and technology-related groups that include CERN, GNU
  Project, KDE, MIT Media Lab, WikiMedia Foundation, and many more.
 
  The ASF was amongst the initial 39 organizations selected to participate
  in the very first GSoC in 2005, and has participated every year since.
  At the ASF, the GSoC program is overseen by the Apache Community
  Development project, which comprises volunteers who help guide newcomers
  to The Apache Software Foundation, provide insight and advice on The
  Apache Way of meritocratic development, including how to contribute to
  Apache projects and to the Open Source community at-large.
 
  Over the summer, Apache Committers will mentor students that are
  sponsored by Google and will be working on many of our projects, said
  Ulrich Stärk, Vice President of Community Development at the ASF. The
  program helps us to not only get some great code written, but also to
  introduce students into Open Source development and hopefully recruit
  some new long-term Committers.
 
  Students are encouraged to discuss ideas with mentoring organizations
  and finalize proposals for projects of interest by the 27 March
  deadline. ASF mentors have proposed 129 ideas for Apache projects in Big
  Data, Cloud, Enterprise Integration, Enterprise Search

Re: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code 2015

[Greg Stein]

The very first year was 2005. Thus, 2015 would be the 11th GSoC.

As one of the two people to launch/create GSoC, you can call me
authoritative on the dates :-P


On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Sally Khudairi s...@apache.org wrote:

 What?

 Really? I had it in the Did You Know? section last week as 10th also.


 AND, more importantly, if my calculations are off, then in

 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/date/20141119


 the 2013 entry as eighth consecutive year is wrong too.

 Who has the correct count? It really is 11? Not that I don't trust you, I
 now am feeling quite lost.

 Cheers,
 Sally

 
 From: Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de
 To: pr...@apache.org pr...@apache.org
 Cc: dev@community.apache.org; Sally Khudairi s...@apache.org
 Sent: Friday, 13 March 2015, 17:09
 Subject: Re: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of
 Code 2015


 Hey Sally,

 I just read the announcement and it says The ASF has been accepted as a
 Google Summer of Code
 mentoring organization for the 10th consecutive year.

 If I'm not mistaken it's the 11th year ;)

 Cheers,

 Uli




 On 2015-03-12 18:42, Sally Khudairi wrote:
  Thanks, Uli.
  I did post about it in our weekly news round-up.
  Happy to work with you on a press release. Who is the ASF lead on GSoC.
 You? Who from ComDev will be at ApacheCon? Are you planning to do something
 special there?
  Cheers,Sally
From: Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de
   To: pr...@apache.org pr...@apache.org; Sally Khudairi 
 s...@apache.org
  Cc: dev@community.apache.org dev@community.apache.org
   Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2015, 13:31
   Subject: Re: ASF accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer
 of Code 2015
 
  And again recycling this. I think we missed 2014 so I want to make sure
 to get an announcement out
  this year.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Uli
 
  On 2013-04-09 14:11, Ulrich Stärk wrote:
  Recycling last years email on the topic. All dates and links updated.
 It would be cool if we could
  get this out asap. Is there anything else you need?
 
  Uli
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: Apache Software Foundation accepted as a mentoring
 organization for Google Summer of Code 2012
  Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:21:40 +0100
  From: Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de
  To: pr...@apache.org
  CC: dev@community.apache.org
 
  Hey Sally  Co.,
 
  this year we won't forget to provide you with some infos on our GSoC
 endeavours. Yesterday, we have
  been accepted as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code
 2015 [1],[2]. This means that
  over the summer, our committers will mentor students that are sponsored
 by Google and will be
  working on our projects. The program helps us not only to get some code
 written but also to
  introduce students into open source development and hopefully recruit
 some new long-term committers.
  More information on the program is available at [3]. Students are now
 encouraged to discuss ideas
  with the respective projects and begin drafting proposals. An extensive
 list of already existing
  project ideas is available at [4]. The actual application phase is from
 March 16 until March 27, coding
  will take place from May 25 to August 21. See [5] for the detailed
 timeline.
 
  Can you please run any press release past us (dev@community.apache.org)
 before publishing?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Uli
 
  [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015
  [2] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/apache
  [3]
 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
  [4] http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas
  [5] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015
 
 
 
 
 
 

plz take community@apache

[Greg Stein]

Heya peeps... could community.a.o please do something about the deprecated
community@apache mailing list? I would suggest it becomes an alias for
dev@community (and its archive just moves into stasis).

(I haven't filed Infra tickets to fix, since it should be decided by y'all
first...)

Re: Video recording at ApacheCon EU

[Greg Stein]

The budget may be available, but are the videos actually worth that
value? Just because we have budget, doesn't mean we have to spend
it.

Geez. 15k euros is a LOT of money.

Opportunity cost... some new hardware? Maybe another part-time infra admin?

The question of can we get these recorded? was put out there, sure.
But just a question, rather than spend whatever it takes to get the
video. At 15k, it seems rather extravagant to me. Seems we can put
that amount of cash to other/better uses.

As a Director, I'm -1 on this expense. Just one vote of many, but
that's my thinking. I don't see the value.

Cheers,
-g

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 In the last board meeting I was asked if we could re-instate the plan to 
 record all sessions at ACEU now that it looked to be in good financial health.

 Paul has kindly got a quote for us from the arena and they will do us HD 
 video of all 6 tracks for circa €15000 (exc. VAT). We can afford this in the 
 current budget projects since Nick and co have managed to sell the conference 
 out (well done folks). Furthermore the ASF money we earmarked is currently 
 unspent. I have asked Nick, as conference chair, to approve this and have 
 indicated that I will take responsibility for it in the unlikely event that 
 we need to dip into ASF funds to pay for it (on the assumption that the board 
 are still comfortable with the budget approved for ConCom).

 I also indicated that the ComDev PMC will take responsibility for use of the 
 video after the event. This is *just* recording the video and audio. There is 
 no post-production work included in this price. My current thinking is that 
 we will simply make the video available to the appropriate PMCs and they can 
 do whatever post-processing they want to do. It is possible that the ComDev 
 PMC will do some limited post-production but I'm not going to commit to that 
 right now since that would be a voluntary effort.

 Nick has not yet given his approval so there is still time to ask us to slow 
 down on this, but not much since the event is next week. Contracts will be 
 changing hands with NewThinking soon.

 Ross

 Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
 OpenDirective
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Re: GSoC Temporary commit access accounts

[Greg Stein]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 16:55, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
 Personally I feel that GSoC students should earn commit access just
 like anyone else.

 I have a lot of sympathy for Greg's position. Treating 'committer' as
 a single monolithic category drives people away.

Right. It is necessary to distinguish between commit access [to a
branch] and commit access [to trunk]. I fully concur that access to
trunk follows the same pattern as regular committers. GSoC students
have no elevated rights.

However, I think providing a GSoC student with commit to a branch is
an easy decision, and that it should be the default policy. (for the
reasons listed in my previous note)

[ next part strays from the GSoC discussion ]
...
 should have to. I'd be happy to see the foundation endorse the idea
 that a PMC can choose to grant commit karma to branches, in a trial
 basis, to people who have submitted a suitable cla. That would not
 given them nexus karma, web-site-editing karma, or dogma karma.

The Subversion PMC has an operating rule that basic states, any
individual PMC member may grant commit access to a non-trunk area, to
a developer with an ICLA on file. There is a subjective level to
this: does it clearly make sense (say, a branch), or might it be a
little controversial (say, the directory for the 'svn' command-line
tool). For the latter, we encourage the Member to float the idea on
private@ first. But we don't have a strict written policy here; good
judgement is always a great replacement for more rules :-)

I would very much encourage other PMCs to adopt similar policies.
Again, with version control, the phrase damage control almost
doesn't apply.

Cheers,
-g

Clarification in PMC changes

[Greg Stein]

Hey all,

With some recent emails, it became clear that we may not be giving
people the right background to PMC nominations/additions. The current
text is here:
  http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newpmc

There is a fundamental, conceptual change needed in that paragraph.
The short answer is that PMC members are never elected, and the
Board is not advised of that election. The Board is the only entity
that can effect changes in the PMCs of the Foundation.

And with that, we delegated certain changes to the PMC Chairs back in 2002:
  
http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2002/board_minutes_2002_12_18.txt

The paragraph properly describes the 72-hour process, but it misses on
the concept of oversight of the composition of the PMC. That
composition is reviewed and monitored by the Board.

This is very similar to PMC Chair elections. I'm not sure there is a
documentation issue there, but it falls in line with the above. PMCs
inform the Board we'd like $JOHN to be the Chair, and the Board acts
upon that information. Historically, the Board does tend to honor the
PMC's wishes for its Chair, but it *has* refused that request in
certain cases, and placed another in the position.

I'm at the end of the night, and don't have specific suggestions to
improve pmc.html (above). I'm hoping the team here can find the right
test.

Thanks,
-g