Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-24 Thread Alex Karasulu
Yeah it's a good start. On 2/24/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/22/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/21/07, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/21/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ... > > > 3) I think the next step

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-23 Thread Enrique Rodriguez
On 2/22/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/21/07, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/21/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > 3) I think the next step is to get all of the great thinking that was > > in this thread into a Confluence page. I

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-22 Thread Enrique Rodriguez
On 2/21/07, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/21/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > 3) I think the next step is to get all of the great thinking that was > in this thread into a Confluence page. Is this still the best > location?: > http://docs.safehaus.org/dis

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-21 Thread Alex Karasulu
Enrique, On 2/21/07, Enrique Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/9/07, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too > comfortable with doing this until I see: > ... > To tell you the truth we have big concerns that ov

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-21 Thread Enrique Rodriguez
On 2/9/07, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John, Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too comfortable with doing this until I see: ... To tell you the truth we have big concerns that overshadow the container effort right now. First on that list is multi master re

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-13 Thread John E. Conlon
Alex Karasulu wrote: John E. Conlon wrote: Alex Karasulu wrote: John E. Conlon wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Truly thanks for your effort to push OSGi along. I really want to go this route but I want all our bases covered. Having read your response a

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-12 Thread Alex Karasulu
John E. Conlon wrote: Alex Karasulu wrote: John E. Conlon wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Truly thanks for your effort to push OSGi along. I really want to go this route but I want all our bases covered. Having read your response and Emmanuel's, I think

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-12 Thread John E. Conlon
Alex Karasulu wrote: John E. Conlon wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Truly thanks for your effort to push OSGi along. I really want to go this route but I want all our bases covered. Having read your response and Emmanuel's, I think I would like to wait

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-11 Thread Alex Karasulu
John E. Conlon wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Truly thanks for your effort to push OSGi along. I really want to go this route but I want all our bases covered. Having read your response and Emmanuel's, I think I would like to wait until we have a *non*-

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread John E. Conlon
Hi Emmanuel , Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: John E. Conlon a écrit : Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Alex Karasulu wrote: Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too comfortable with doing this until I see: We can look at this two ways. From o

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread John E. Conlon
David Jencks wrote: IMO if including the osgi metadata in the jars won't break anything else we should put it in right away. That is the idea. Just an accommodation to OSGi metadata right now. It doesn't need to work completely or even partially. I think that one of the benefits of the osgi

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread Ole Ersoy
Hi Stefano, Thanks for all the elaboration. Hopefully we'll have a common approach to both James and ApacheDS in the end so that we can share documentation and maintenance efforts across both servers. Incidentally I have a couple of questions for you regarding James installers, but let me start

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Ole Ersoy ha scritto: Hey Guys, It looks like James (Apache Mail Server) has done a lot of research on XBean and OSGi already. Hi Ole, I'm a James PMC member, Well, we did not really much research. One fine day Alan Cabrera suggested us to move to maven2+xbean: someone liked the idea, someon

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread David Jencks
IMO if including the osgi metadata in the jars won't break anything else we should put it in right away. It doesn't need to work completely or even partially. I think that one of the benefits of the osgi effort even for non-osgi uses is that it encourages cleaner division of responsibilit

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread John E. Conlon
Never mind I found it. thanks, John John E. Conlon wrote: Hi Ole, I went to the XBean site and could not find any documentation. Is there an article or something you could point me reference so I can take a look? cheers, John Ole Ersoy wrote: Sorry - The link below was a little further

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread John E. Conlon
Hi Ole, I went to the XBean site and could not find any documentation. Is there an article or something you could point me reference so I can take a look? cheers, John Ole Ersoy wrote: Sorry - The link below was a little further back in the thread: Here's the one where the OSGi discussion

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
John E. Conlon a écrit : Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Alex Karasulu wrote: Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too comfortable with doing this until I see: We can look at this two ways. From one perspective we would not be committin

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread John E. Conlon
Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. See inline for responses. Alex Karasulu wrote: Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too comfortable with doing this until I see: We can look at this two ways. From one perspective we would not be committing 'fully' to OSGi, as the deco

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread Ole Ersoy
Sorry - The link below was a little further back in the thread: Here's the one where the OSGi discussion starts, although the previous messages on the thread are a good backdrop. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/james-server-dev/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ole Ersoy <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-10 Thread Ole Ersoy
Hey Guys, It looks like James (Apache Mail Server) has done a lot of research on XBean and OSGi already. It sounds like they are favoring OSGi over XBean due in part to it being standardized through JCP. It also sounds like there is an XBean facade for OSGi. Here's a link to the James thread, s

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-09 Thread Ole Ersoy
John, I'd be interested in helping with the "Integration Testing Framework" part (I'm actually interested in helping with a lot more, but I only have half a brain, and that only works part of the time so...) Anyways, I think it would make a nice little companion top in the "Testing Guide" that I'

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-09 Thread Alex Karasulu
John, Doing this means committing to OSGi and I'm not going to be too comfortable with doing this until I see: (1) some good "in situ" integration testing framework that allows us to easily test services within the target container as part of the maven build process, (2) good test coverage,

Re: [OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-09 Thread Ole Ersoy
Sounds really cool :-) +2 Incidentally - I'm writing a Unit Testing Guide. In it I'm recommending that all methods be made public, and if the temptation was to make them private, put them in "Helper" classes instead that are named ClassToBeHelpedHelper, indicating that they have a very close rel

[OSGi] Implementing OSGi for 1.5

2007-02-09 Thread John E. Conlon
Think it is time to begin the process of moving OSGi into our trunk for the 1.5.0-SNAPSHOT. Propose that instead of adding parallel projects that wrap our existing projects in OSGi bundles, that we instead add OSGi metadata to the jars that are created by our existing projects. This is easil