RE: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
But it does bring up the point of how we are going to organize the page someday to handle large amounts of entries. - Maybe the showcase itself could be a Flex app, with tags, ranking/votes , comments, etc... - we could split in mobile / desktop (just ideas) Maurice -Message

RE: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
I like the flex app idea. The question is what do we have in the way of server side to handle dynamic data requests and how are we going to store the data -Mark. -Original Message- From: Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:58 AM

RE: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Ok, so flex app loading an xml list from the server. So the last part is really about how to organize the data on the server. Folder for each app in the showcase with a pics and another xml file that has the detail description with the pic file listing. -Mark -Original Message-

Re: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I'd rather not get into the comments / rating thing. *.apache.org is a pretty huge target for spammers and we shouoldn't have to make it somebody's full time job to scrape all those -- esp. if they are tied to some business which may then want to leave the showcase because of negative or spammy

Re: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Why not just a simple catalogue? root --- items -- Showcase Item 1 Image Description Title .. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Kessler CTR Mark J mark.kessler@usmc.mil wrote: Ok, so flex app loading an xml list from the

RE: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
This is true. The extra benefit of having the subfolder xml's will be able to see the hits on each app view using just the website stats we have now. -Mark -Original Message- From: Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:23 AM To:

RE: Flex showcase

2013-12-18 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Well I was thinking of not having one large xml root file with everything. Instead having the app listing with icons and lead in short description. Then having the large descriptions, pics, url to owner page, app store url if any stored in the sub-folder ... -Mark -Original

Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Hi, A few app submissions (eg. 6play https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-34005 ) are made by what looks like developers sub-contracting for another company. Do you think there is a legal issue to include these apps (eg. the screenshots) without the permission of the owning company (m6

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Erick Ghaumez
Hi, i’m working on this project, and since it’s a public website, i think it’s absolutly not illegal to display screenshots. Erick Le 18 déc. 2013 à 13:34, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com a écrit : Hi, A few app submissions (eg. 6play

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Thanks, Eric, But Apache tends to wary about legal stuff, so I prefer to ask for team advice. Maurice -Message d'origine- De : rx labz [mailto:rxl...@gmail.com] De la part de Erick Ghaumez Envoyé : mercredi 18 décembre 2013 13:39 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Flex Showcase legal

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
We can ask on legal-discuss if you want to be certain, but I would guess the answer is yes, we need permission from the owner. But Erick is probably not wrong about the taking of screenshots either. My thought experiment is this: If I was hired to paint the outside of a TV studio with a

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Thanks Alex, I will then include the screenshots and the app in showcase. We could then withdraw them easily in case someone complains. Maurice -Message d'origine- De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Envoyé : mercredi 18 décembre 2013 15:33 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re:

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/17/13 11:45 PM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Well, re-read the end of that thread and let me know where you stand. Alex wrote: Another possibility is that we leave the PBK's where they are and simply add new build targets to flex-sdk build script. That might be

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Erick Ghaumez
I obviously understand these legal doubts, but IMHO for the use of this 3 screenshots, it will be endless. What kind of permission can be legal ? Is there a template document somewhere ? I can ask to the M6Web's CTO ( M6Web is the subsidiary company which is in charge of digital projects ), but

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Another possibility is that we leave the PBK's where they are and simply add new build targets to flex-sdk build script. That might be simpler and gives us the option of reverting back to a single package if we find that we can someday. Yeah. So what are your thoughts now? - given that

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
OK for me. Also, can you include a small copyright notice in the description, something like M6, 6Ter, W9 and 6play are registered trademarks of . thanks -Message d'origine- De : rx labz [mailto:rxl...@gmail.com] De la part de Erick Ghaumez Envoyé : mercredi 18 décembre 2013 16:01

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Maybe we should add them in good faith of being in compliance with the screen shots and just remove any based on valid take down requests from the owners. -Mark

Re: [FlexJS] BarChart component added

2013-12-18 Thread Harbs
Nice! Harbs On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Peter Ent wrote: Hi, I've added a simple BarChart component to the ActionScript FlexJS SDK; it is modeled on the MX Charts package. I also included an example of using it, located in the FlexJS examples directory. I developed the BarChart in

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Maybe we should add them in good faith of being in compliance with the screen shots and just remove any based on valid take down requests from the owners. Also what I think. thanks -Message d'origine- De : Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil] Envoyé : mercredi 18

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
IMO, it is not a good idea to violate copyright and trademark law and wait to see if you get caught, even if the remedy is simple. If you are a famous celebrity and happen to buy a particular brand of clothing and someone sees you wearing it in public, folks can probably tweet and Facebook that

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
I undestand. FYI, the app is already included in the showcase, as I read your email after. Shall I withdraw it temporarily while waiting for the legal stuff to be fixed.? Maurice -Message d'origine- De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Envoyé : mercredi 18 décembre 2013 17:33 À :

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
Yes, that would probably be the safe thing to do. Thanks and sorry for the hassle, -Alex On 12/18/13 8:43 AM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: I undestand. FYI, the app is already included in the showcase, as I read your email after. Shall I withdraw it temporarily while

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 7:00 AM, Erick Ghaumez er...@rxlabz.com wrote: I obviously understand these legal doubts, but IMHO for the use of this 3 screenshots, it will be endless. What kind of permission can be legal ? Is there a template document somewhere ? I can ask to the M6Web's CTO ( M6Web is the

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 6:59 AM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Another possibility is that we leave the PBK's where they are and simply add new build targets to flex-sdk build script. That might be simpler and gives us the option of reverting back to a single package if we find that

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Done. (bot update pending) -Message d'origine- De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Envoyé : mercredi 18 décembre 2013 17:49 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects Yes, that would probably be the safe thing to do. Thanks and sorry for the hassle, -Alex

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Dec 18, 2013 9:07 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 12/18/13 6:59 AM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Another possibility is that we leave the PBK's where they are and simply add new build targets to flex-sdk build script. That might be simpler and gives us

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
I had a meeting with the engineer who wrote most of the PB compiler. He says that the PBK to PBJ pipeline shouldn't have dependencies on the gnu, but other PBK to XXX pipelines do, so it should be possible to modify the compiler and get rid of the window dependency. I believe so, pbutil is

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
I think it is too much effort for a few shaders. IMO, we should compile the pbk files and keep the binaries around till there is a need to change them. Pretty much what you have been doing for the past few days :-) That pretty much my position, in more elegant and concise terms ;-)

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Erick Ghaumez
Le 18 déc. 2013 à 17:45, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com a écrit : On 12/18/13 7:00 AM, Erick Ghaumez er...@rxlabz.com wrote: I obviously understand these legal doubts, but IMHO for the use of this 3 screenshots, it will be endless. What kind of permission can be legal ? Is there a template

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 12:22 PM, Erick Ghaumez er...@rxlabz.com wrote: As I¹ve said, the owner is « big » TV group, my contract is with a subsidiary company in charge of digital projects. I don¹t know if the one who signs my contract is legally authorized to give this permission. But if I understand, if he

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Within the USA, if you do work-for-hire, the IP rights and everything associated with it generally go to employer. That is, unless you expressly reserve those rights. Every country is different. Some of my customers are happy to have me tell their story -- others don't want people to know who

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 9:48 AM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Well, I am making it a separate package. The question is whether you think we should also move this code out of the flex-sdk repo. What does separate package inside the flex-sdk mean? is that a distinct and autonomous

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Doing #1 appears to be the least work, but if you are going to veto the release then I need to find some other configuration that will make you happy. Releases can't be vetoed. They require 3+1's and more +1 than -1's. But the PMC does have a responsibility to the board that the release

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Under US law there is also a fair use provision, which the showcase would probably come under (and permission is not required), but it IMO always best to ask. Thanks, Justin

Confluence upgrade

2013-12-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Looks like the confluence upgrade has broken some of the styling: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines Anyone have an idea of what needs to be fixed? I'd guess the images are just missing? Thanks, Justin

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Same in France : rights goes to the employer, IP depends, and you have the rights to use small quotations (I guess that's what you call fair use provision) without permission. There is another issue here: If you look at the screenshots, there don't only show tv channels logos (which belong to

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Erick Ghaumez
Maybe i can blur all the logos and pictures in screenshots, and maybe the title can only talk about a « anonymous » French Social TV application ? Erick Le 18 déc. 2013 à 23:23, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com a écrit : Same in France : rights goes to the employer, IP depends,

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 2:12 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: Hi, Doing #1 appears to be the least work, but if you are going to veto the release then I need to find some other configuration that will make you happy. Releases can't be vetoed. They require 3+1's and more +1 than -1's.

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Justin is right, anyway I didn't have the intention to veto the release ;-) First of all, thanks Alex for the consideration you give to my position, given that I am a newcomer to the team. If you think that #1 (leave the files in place) is good solution, then go for it. I just would look to

RE: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Wow. I hate blurred images, especially when it's for legal reasons, and I think I will not do justice to the really nice app you made. But that's only a personal view. I really don't know what needs to be done. Maybe you should ask the person you know at M6 (CTO ?) like what was suggested.

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Right now, I'm thinking of: 1) adding a pixelbender.xml file with a main target that does the compile, a clean target that deletes the PBJ and a copy target that copies the PBJs into place in the sdk tree. 2) add more to the release notes that point you to this xml file 3) Separate

RE: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Sorry Alex, I missed you proposition in the last email (this interleaved multithreaded discussions are a real pain...) Right now, I'm thinking of: 1) adding a pixelbender.xml file with a main target that does the compile, a clean target that deletes the PBJ and a copy target that copies

Re: [FlexJS] BarChart component added

2013-12-18 Thread Igor Costa
Peter Awesome, there's a particular post I wrote last week about writing from ground up charts in canvas and javascript. You can use google translate for that http://www.igorcosta.com/criando-graficos-zero-com-canvas-e-javascript/ Maybe help for next couple of charts.

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 50 - Still Failing!

2013-12-18 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
We are very close to having a second VM up and running Mustella. Can someone help take a look at these errors? Almost all of them are timeout errors even after running a second time. Should we just run everything again and hope to see them go away? Thanks, Om On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM,

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Fair Use is pretty limited in the USA, and is usually regarded in terms of education or personal use. Advertisement is generally not allowed under fair-use but again, that is something for the legal-beagles to determine ;) -Nick On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Justin Mclean

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Jeffry Houser
To counter your point about commercial use never being fair use:; I'll quote TechDirt ( http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131125/10182325360/beastie-boys-say-they-dont-want-music-ads-fair-use-doesnt-care.shtml ) quoting a Supreme Court ruling (

Re: Flex Showcase legal aspects

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 2:47 PM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Wow. I hate blurred images, especially when it's for legal reasons, and I think I will not do justice to the really nice app you made. But that's only a personal view. I really don't know what needs to be done. Maybe you

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache Flex PixelBender Package 1.0 (RC2)

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/18/13 3:08 PM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote: Sorry Alex, I missed you proposition in the last email (this interleaved multithreaded discussions are a real pain...) Right now, I'm thinking of: 1) adding a pixelbender.xml file with a main target that does the

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 50 - Still Failing!

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
Looks like there is no HTTP server for localhost:80 or localhost:8080? On 12/18/13 5:14 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: We are very close to having a second VM up and running Mustella. Can someone help take a look at these errors? Almost all of them are timeout errors even

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 50 - Still Failing!

2013-12-18 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Looks like there is no HTTP server for localhost:80 or localhost:8080? There is a httpd server on localhost (on port 80) which points to mustella/tests Also, localhost:8080 is jenkins. This is how Erik's VM is set up as

Re: flex-sdk_mustella - Build # 50 - Still Failing!

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Harui
If you open a browser and hit localhost, does it show you the mustella files? Can you click on a SWF in the MarshallPlan folder and get it to run? I have to change two setting in https.conf, the DocumentRoot and Directory tag both have the path to mustella/tests. -Alex On 12/18/13 11:17 PM,