Hi,
We're talking AS - JS cross compilation. So changing one file would
be changing one AS file. To turn that AS file into a JS file needs a
compilation step. The generation of 'deps.js' is part of the
compilation step. So, in the scenario we're discussing, the
regeneration is of no
Alain,
In my view all development, including debugging, is done in AS. The JS
output, like bytecode, should just work.
EdB
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I was thinking about. How would debugging work ? Let's say I set
a break point in
Hi Alain,
for Jangaroo, I answered this question here:
http://markmail.org/message/bwjwc7sxfbertu7f
For Flex / FalconJx, it seems nobody was extremely fond of the idea to have
to keep all the white-space and take care of generating JS code in the
exact line of the source AS code. So we have to
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
Alain,
In my view all development, including debugging, is done in AS. The JS
output, like bytecode, should just work.
EdB
This won't work for us (Jangaroo/Ext AS users). In our development
workflow, JS/HTML5 is the
This won't work for us (Jangaroo/Ext AS users). In our development
workflow, JS/HTML5 is the one and only target platform. And I think this is
the future for Flex. If Flex will not support the full development
lifecycle for HTML5 projects, it is of no interest for us and I guess for
many
Quoting Frank Wienberg fr...@jangaroo.net:
Hi Alain,
for Jangaroo, I answered this question here:
http://markmail.org/message/bwjwc7sxfbertu7f
For Flex / FalconJx, it seems nobody was extremely fond of the idea to have
to keep all the white-space and take care of generating JS code in the
Mike,
I was aleady afraid we were boring, or worse, bothering the community.
I apologize for my part in it. Like you I'm more of a tool maker, as
you know well. I do get distracted when I get the impression that my
efforts (non-trivial, let me assure you!) are questioned and
belittled. So I get
Frank,
My comments below only were to echo the understanding of your
experience in the AS-JS.
When I said Job it is the emitter, the emitter is the Job, meaning the
tool(FalconJx) is used to do the Job(emit javascript). When I design
frameworks, I make sure there are clear dividing lines
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
Mike,
I was aleady afraid we were boring, or worse, bothering the community.
I apologize for my part in it. Like you I'm more of a tool maker, as
you know well. I do get distracted when I get the impression that my
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.comwrote:
@Roland
For the SDK it s surely not a problem since it s all Apache.
But anyone using the Apache Flex SDK to write an ExtJS application will
need a commercial license from Sencha or will have to open source the code.
Please take a look at the proof of concept (both the intermediate and
release code) before making these kinds of statements.
I'd like to, but you admitted yourself that it has quite an initial
overhead to set up. Could you perhaps set up an online demo where one can
observe a running system?
Is Example.js a generated cross compile?
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl:
Please take a look at the proof of concept (both the intermediate and
release code) before making these kinds of statements.
I'd like to, but you admitted yourself that it has quite an initial
overhead
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
Please take a look at the proof of concept (both the intermediate and
release code) before making these kinds of statements.
I'd like to, but you admitted yourself that it has quite an initial
overhead to set up.
Quoting Frank Wienberg fr...@jangaroo.net:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Falcon implementation of your
AMD/RequireJS ideas and it's output, so we can compare the various
suggested approaches on their technical merits as well as their
theoretical underpinnings.
Okay, we can wait for
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Michael Schmalle
apa...@teotigraphix.comwrote:
Quoting Frank Wienberg fr...@jangaroo.net:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Falcon implementation of your
AMD/RequireJS ideas and it's output, so we can compare the various
suggested approaches on their
Frank,
Definitely a cultural difference here with my writing below.
Basically, the point was, you CAN compare right now but, I think Erik
was or just missed that fact you CAN compare right now.
As far as your comments about how things should be compared, my point
was, start comparing! :)
That being said, I think both Erik and I got the ball rolling. It is not
as if we are just talking theory here. We both have a working demo
everybody can look at, and have both posted our arguments. Maybe we should
just start a new thread to get this to a decision.
But I don't want to force a
Yes, the one in 'intermediate' is. The one in 'release' is the
'intermediate' version, but run through the Closure Compiler.
EdB
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Michael Schmalle
apa...@teotigraphix.com wrote:
Is Example.js a generated cross compile?
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin
I think I can now pinpoint the difference to RequireJS: It is in the
existence of deps.js.
deps.js says it's generated, and seems to be the extracted dependencies of
all the other JS files, right? Aha, so this is how the necessary scripts
get loaded in advance. And this is where you need the
Well the PMC would not veto commits.
It would veto the notion o including something in the SDK that wasn't
agreed upon via consensus.
Just to be clear. :)
-omar
On Sunday, January 27, 2013, Erik de Bruin wrote:
But I don't want to force a decision right now;
The beauty of the Apache Way
Take a chill pill. ;)
Really? Nice!
I prefer contributing over chillin, thank you.
EdB
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Really.
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
Take a chill pill. ;)
Really? Nice!
I prefer contributing over chillin, thank you.
EdB
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On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
I think I can now pinpoint the difference to RequireJS: It is in the
existence of deps.js.
deps.js says it's generated, and seems to be the extracted dependencies
of
all the other JS files, right? Aha, so this is
Hi,
entire library + application. My example was that you change a single
file, but change it in a way that you add a dependency. Without
re-generating deps.js, base.js could not know in advance that the newly
We're talking AS - JS cross compilation. So changing one file would
be changing one
Hi there,
to continue the discussion about AS-JS cross compilation, I'd like to add
another option which, I think, could
lead to better acceptance of Apache Flex in the HTML5/JS sphere.
The title of this message says exactly what I mean. Right now we're talking
about cross compiling the Flex SDK
The title of this message says exactly what I mean. Right now we're talking
about cross compiling the Flex SDK
itself, along with all of its components.
No, neither Alex nor I are taking that approach.
The way that TypeScript and Randori/SharpKit integrate with JS is by
declaring some sort
While both Erik and I are using Goog, I think Roland is asking why we aren't
use Jquery or ExtJS UI components.
In my framework, I'm not right now because I had trouble getting my head
around them and the ones I looked at seemed to come with application
framework infrastructure, and I want to
We most certainly will, once we get our misunderstandings out of the way :)
I think we both aim for the same things, we just need to find the same
wavelengths :)
Your followup mails -- and me re-reading the original one, I know I
was lazy reading it the first time :-) -- cleared things up a
On 25 January 2013 22:03, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote:
We most certainly will, once we get our misunderstandings out of the way
:)
I think we both aim for the same things, we just need to find the same
wavelengths :)
Your followup mails -- and me re-reading the original one, I
Hi Roland,
thank you for bringing up this point, I think it is crucial for the success
of Apache Flex / JS!
I Erik's latest thread, we just discussed the different approaches to come
up with a JS-enabled component library for Flex.
I mentioned that we already have an ActionScript-API for Ext JS
Before going further with ExtJS make sure licensing is clear.
Cuz ExtJS is GPL/Commercial.
2013/1/25 Frank Wienberg fr...@jangaroo.net
Hi Roland,
thank you for bringing up this point, I think it is crucial for the success
of Apache Flex / JS!
I Erik's latest thread, we just discussed the
Hey Frank,
thanks a lot for your elaborate answer (as usual). Basically everything I
had in mind
you pretty much described. So I'm pretty stoked that this could be
implemented rather
quickly.
Between your and Erik's approach I already prefered yours to be honest
(Erik, this is
no stab under water
Hi Alain,
I'm not sure if the license really comes into play here, all we're doing is
integrate with an API,
we don't fork or use their code in any way.
We might have to look into the implications for crating an AS3 shim for
their API's though,
so you do make a valid point.
Roland
On 25 January
@Roland
For the SDK it s surely not a problem since it s all Apache.
But anyone using the Apache Flex SDK to write an ExtJS application will
need a commercial license from Sencha or will have to open source the code.
This is worth mentioning.
(I wrote an SDK around EXTJS, so i know for sure)
code and vice versa. I still think that RequireJS is the better choice, as
Closure implements *synchronous* require() which does not work dynamically
in the browser, and the Closure Library comes with many many more features,
I really wish you would stop saying this. It is simply not true.
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