Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Carlos Rovira carlosrov...@apache.orgwrote: Hi, I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex. This would be awesome in my opinion :-) Just remember that the donation process could get complicated if Chris doesn't hold the copyright to all

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
* Swiz stopped development in 2.0.0 beta that brings AOP to Flex Framework. The problem with this implementation is that is not ready for producction since it needs changes in Flex Compiler and in AS3 Commons ByteCode to get it work properly. Hi there, I'm the author of as3commons-bytecode.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread dude
Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. Am 28.05.2013 16:52, schrieb Carlos Rovira: Hi, I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex. https://github.com/swiz/swiz-framework/ https://swizframework.jira.com/wiki/display/SWIZ/Home The reasons

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:33 AM, dude d...@atheist.com wrote: Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. That's the only concern I'd have about the donation. I know Swiz is one framework among several. So we'd have to manage it carefully to keep from alienating part of

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude d...@atheist.com wrote: Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. Personally, the above response shows exactly the reason why I think there shouldn't be any application framework integrated into Apache Flex. Too many opinions on the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Roland Zwaga rol...@stackandheap.comwrote: On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude d...@atheist.com wrote: Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. Personally, the above response shows exactly the reason why I think there shouldn't be any

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Greg, other people behind the project are Ben and Brian (maybe more other contributions), but all files are behind Apache License 2.0 and seems there's no authors specifications so maybe they already agreed with the Apache License 2.0, but I'll ask them on the swiz list to get it clear

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
I don't know the actual state of RobotLegs, Parsley or others... Swiz is without maintenance and needs attention and 2.0 could bring a great improvment not reached for any other framework. This doesn't mean any base sdk integration and dependency. We could make the same with other projects that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Velasco
Adding a top level applicaction framework to the APACHE FLEX project suitcase will somehow set is as the facto standard accepted framework to build applications using the FLEX SDK, or at least will create that understanding between developers. So I think top level application frameworks must not

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Avi Kessner
I don't use swiz but it seems silly to reject a donation because of a fear of what might happen. It's easy enough to keep it separate, and if it's not supported anywhere projects using it will likely ditch the flex framework completely On 28 May 2013 18:49, Carlos Velasco

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 5/28/13 8:39 AM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Roland Zwaga rol...@stackandheap.comwrote: On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude d...@atheist.com wrote: Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. Personally, the above response

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Velasco
Top level application flex frameworks should be incubated at Apache as independent projects to Apache FLEX to avoid missunderstandings and be politically correct. 2013/5/28 Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com I don't use swiz but it seems silly to reject a donation because of a fear of what might

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread dude
None of these frameworks should be integrated into Apache Flex, I guess everyone agrees with that. FYI: Parsley has been abandoned by its creator as well and there is no further development atm (afaik). It is licenced under Apache License 2.0 and available here https://github.com/spicefactory Am

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread aYo ~
I agree On 28 May 2013 17:28, dude d...@atheist.com wrote: None of these frameworks should be integrated into Apache Flex, I guess everyone agrees with that. FYI: Parsley has been abandoned by its creator as well and there is no further development atm (afaik). It is licenced under Apache

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
I like the idea of a vote. I don't think the community is divided about 'having' Swiz, it seems the division is more 'what to do with it'. Please let the VOTE be clear about this. EdB On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com wrote: I think this would require

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Greg, do you think donations like these need to have a goal of being integrated with Apache Flex or becoming its own project? Personally, I'd be ok with Apache Flex being a warehouse of all kinds of Flex-related code even

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Greg, I see why you might be worried about future additional projects, but the sub-projects you mention (Falcon, SDK, FlexJS) are very much part of one and the same project. Other sub-projects are purely for supporting the community and various workflows (Installer, Maven) and are too small to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
I like the donation of the Swiz framework. I use both swiz(for work) and parsley(personal projects) and I am ambivalent at this point. What I would really like to see the best part of these frameworks (and maeby others like spring-actionscript, robotlegs, etc.) integrated into Flex. I am

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I would prefer JIRA activity to be on another list. I've heard from quite a few people in my User Group that they dropped off dev@ people of the noise of JIRA. I think those of us who want to know what is committed will subscribe to those (plus, it makes filtering those messages into a separate

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
+1 on the JIRA on another list, do we need a vote on that, or can we just ask INFRA for it? Maybe this discussion should be in a separate thread, however... EdB On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: I would prefer JIRA activity to be on another list.

RE: Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread carlos.velasco.blanco
I do not agree to you. There are a lot of ways to approach an application development, some may be of your liking others will not be. But there is no need to force one of them as the Flex sdk one. I would rather prefer to maintain all those as separate libraries for anyone to choose the one he

Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
Om is pointing my main concern with Swiz donation. The main point here is that Swiz 2.0.0 Beta has many good and beautiful ideas about AOP that are very new to web client technologies. Something that people are using from long time in java could be first citizen in Flex making an huge difference.