Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Blevins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Think of what the alternative is that you are asking the end developer to cope w/. He must grok what is the current correct collection of versions are. Even if all the APIs mature and their version numbers never change thereafter, there

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:07 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Think of what the alternative is that you are asking the end developer to cope w/. He must grok what is the current correct collection of versions are. Even if all the APIs mature and

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On 1/30/2006 11:07 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Think of what the alternative is that you are asking the end developer to cope w/. He must grok what is the current correct collection of versions are. Even if all the APIs mature and their

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Blevins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: As I expressed previously, I think it is a bigger mess to be unable to determine the contents of the uber-spec jar. If you can suggest a way to make it easy to find out which individual spec jars are aggregated into the uber-spec jar, I

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On 1/30/2006 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:07 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Think of what the alternative is that you are asking the end developer to cope w/.

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Blevins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: If we moved to Maven 2 and used its transitive dependencies, would the the need for an Uber jar be obviated? For maven 2 all we need is an uber pom. For people on maven 1 and ant and plain IDEs, an uber jar is nice. -David

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:37 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: As I expressed previously, I think it is a bigger mess to be unable to determine the contents of the uber-spec jar. If you can suggest a way to make it easy to find out which individual

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread Kevan Miller
On Jan 30, 2006, at 2:38 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On 1/30/2006 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:07 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Think of what the alternative is

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Blevins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:44 AM, David Jencks wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:37 AM, David Blevins wrote: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: As I expressed previously, I think it is a bigger mess to be unable to determine the contents of the uber-spec jar. If you can

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread David Blevins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: David Blevins wrote, On 1/30/2006 11:39 AM: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: If we moved to Maven 2 and used its transitive dependencies, would the the need for an Uber jar be obviated? For maven 2 all we need is an

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: If we moved to Maven 2 and used its transitive dependencies, would the the need for an Uber jar be obviated? Last time I checked Ant has quite a few users and so did Maven 1. Having an aggregate jar for those users is pretty nice.

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:14 AM, David Jencks wrote: As I expressed previously, I think it is a bigger mess to be unable to determine the contents of the uber-spec jar. If you can suggest a way to make it easy to find out which individual spec jars are aggregated into the uber-spec jar, I

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread Matt Hogstrom
@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please! David Blevins wrote, On 1/30/2006 11:39 AM: On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: If we moved to Maven 2 and used its transitive dependencies, would the the need for an Uber jar be obviated

Re: Geronimo Specs 1.1-SNAPSHOT -- more opinions please!

2006-01-30 Thread John Sisson
This may not be an issue.. I am wondering whether uber jars could complicate security in the future. For example, we could provide sample/default security policies to be used by a security manager (that assume the individual jars are being used) that use CodeSource and Principal based