Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread Dain Sundstrom
This is exactly why I brought it up last time. There is obviously something wrong when the people that are supposed to know better are making mistakes? It is just confusing to have the branch there it is not a branch just a temp place we worked wile packaging the release. I suggest

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 11/2/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest next time we are creating a milestone, preview or tag only (unsupported) release, we don't create the temp branch in branches. I respectfully disagree with this idea and my reasons are simple - tags are meant to mark a point in time

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote: On 11/2/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest next time we are creating a milestone, preview or tag only (unsupported) release, we don't create the temp branch in branches. I respectfully disagree with this idea and my

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread David Blevins
On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote: On 11/2/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest next time we are creating a milestone, preview or tag only (unsupported) release, we don't create the temp branch in branches.

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 11/2/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote: On 11/2/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest next time we are creating a milestone, preview or tag only (unsupported) release, we don't create the temp branch in

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread David Blevins
On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote: On 11/2/05, David Blevins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, you are totally agreeing. To paraphrase Dain, It should be fine to create a branch from a tag, forget CVS dogma. To paraphrase Bruce, If we need to updated a tag, move it to the

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-02 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 11/2/05, David Blevins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One minor clarification. IMO, tags should remain intact forever. Therefore a tag should be copied to the branches dir, not moved. But I digress... ;-). Awesome. That's my preference as well, just didn't want to be inflexible and

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-11-02 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: This is a good point. What if we moved the tag to a directory called archived? [Yes, I saw this in the original (*an* original?) proposal. :-)] I feel that keeping the mnemonic is the first importance -- but followed

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I don't understand the harm of leaving the branches - it costs nothing since it's already created, it keeps the history clear, and it gives someone an opportunity in the future to work with it. I know the probability of that is small, but people do weird things... geir On Oct 31, 2005,

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-11-01 Thread David Blevins
The last nail in the coffin for me was when, in a sleep deprived state, I got a little disoriented and built the M5 installer from the branch directory rather than the tag directory. Accidents happen. A simple svn copy cheaply creates a new branch, keeps it clear its different than the

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-31 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Tags imply that they are supported. Really? I've never encountered that before. Maybe against a V1_0_0 tage, but then you just tell someone 'nope, not supported.' M1 means 'milestone one,' right? Another thing to consider

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-31 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote, On 10/31/2005 1:32 PM: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Tags imply that they are supported. Really? I've never encountered that before. Maybe against a V1_0_0 tage, but then you just tell someone

Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-10-31 Thread David Blevins
Can we kill this old branch? http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/branches/1.0-M5 We have a tag for it here. http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tags/1_0_M5 And can we also agree that we don't leave branches hanging around after every release unless that is planned to be an

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-10-31 Thread Dain Sundstrom
+1 -dain On Oct 31, 2005, at 6:06 PM, David Blevins wrote: Can we kill this old branch? http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/branches/1.0-M5 We have a tag for it here. http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tags/1_0_M5 And can we also agree that we don't leave branches hanging

Re: Old branches (was: Old tags in Geornimo)

2005-10-31 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 10/31/05, David Blevins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we kill this old branch? http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/branches/1.0-M5 We have a tag for it here. http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tags/1_0_M5 And can we also agree that we don't leave branches hanging around

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-31 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: That would not be a friendly way to go. I am arguing that we remove the temptation. And I'm arguing that revising history is unfriendly. I would use this as an argument for removing milestone tags as quickly as

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-31 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote, On 10/31/2005 7:09 PM: A milestone represents a significant point in the development. Until there's a released version that is feature- and bug- compatible with what they're doing, a milestone reference is better than anything else. Why would you want to remove a

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-31 Thread David Blevins
On Oct 31, 2005, at 9:48 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Rodent of Unusual Size wrote, On 10/31/2005 7:09 PM: A milestone represents a significant point in the development. Until there's a released version that is feature- and bug- compatible with what they're doing, a milestone reference is

Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-29 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
I think that we should remove the old tags, i.e. M1-M4. Regards, Alan

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-29 Thread Aaron Mulder
I would prefer if we didn't remove M4 yet, but it wouldn't bother me to see M1-M3 go. On the other hand, I don't see why it benefits us to remove them. Aaron On 10/29/05, Alan D. Cabrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should remove the old tags, i.e. M1-M4. Regards, Alan

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-29 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Tags imply that they are supported. These are really just self-consisistent snapshots that people can look at. I think that it's a really bad idea to keep M4 around. Regards, Alan Aaron Mulder wrote, On 10/29/2005 10:54 AM: I would prefer if we didn't remove M4 yet, but it wouldn't

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-29 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Good point. Maybe we should create an archived or unsupported directory in tags that can hold these for historical purposes. -dain On Oct 29, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Tags imply that they are supported. These are really just self- consisistent snapshots that people can

Re: Old tags in Geornimo

2005-10-29 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 10/29/05, Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. Maybe we should create an archived or unsupported directory in tags that can hold these for historical purposes. I disagree that the M1-M4 tags should be removed altogether. Tags are nothing more than a marker for a point in time