Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
Within the ASF, the use of the development mailing list is *the* method of development discussion. That's the reason for it. Wikis are good for after the fact documentation. IRC is good when a small subset of developers need to get together quickly to talk about some aspects of development, but it

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Jim Jagielski wrote: Within the ASF, the use of the development mailing list is *the* method of development discussion. That's the reason for it. Wikis are good for after the fact documentation. IRC is good when a small subset of developers need to get together quickly to talk about some aspects

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread David Blevins
For the record, when the words hidden agenda came up, my exact response was, Can we turn this back into a technical discussion? Talking offline is fine. Throw in beer and it's even better. Can't wait to see everyone at ApacheCon next week. My beef was in the very first sentence of Aaron's

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
I think that this is an important issue, but not the important one for this thread, and we're getting caught in a rathole. The conversation in question started on the dev list, had a phone call between two individuals that really respect each other and wanted to figure out where the crossed

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread David Blevins
On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: Within the ASF, the use of the development mailing list is *the* method of development discussion. That's the reason for it. Wikis are good for after the fact documentation. IRC is good when a small subset of developers need

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread David Blevins
On Nov 8, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: David Blevins wrote: My apologies to Jeremy as I had assumed the decision to commit a new deployer was part of a their discussion. Appreciated, thank you. To be clear, it _was_ part of the discussion; we were discussing the best way to proceed

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
I never considered this issue as anything serious at all. Quite the opposite; as I mentioned just about every ASF project has had this pop up. I was simply stating the general rule, without any sort of interpretation of the events that lead to it. :)

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Michael G. McGrady
pace vobiscum! Speaking only for myself, I think that geronimo and the people involved are top-notch. The project and the people are too good to allow this sort of devolution. I really think that where one feels heat seeking light would be preferrable. And, I want to say that often I am the

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn from this issue and set forth some guidelines for the future. As for the

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn from this issue and set forth some guidelines for

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Nov 7, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn