Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

Kotlin is a great language, but I do not like its syntax... Groovy's STC will be better in the next releases. I wish we could fix most of issues before 3.0.0 GA. Currently there are about 70 issues about STC being open to fix. Cheers, Daniel.Sun -- Sent from:

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

On Wed, 2018-05-16 at 23:17 +0200, MG wrote: > Thank you Jochen and Cédric for explaining you rationale. It is funny, > because I always thought keeping Groovy as close to Java as possible was > a given. Evidently it is not... > […] I 2003/2004 having a dynamic version of Java was great stuff.

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

On 16.05.2018 23:17, MG wrote: [...] Btw, Jochen, can you give an example for using this syntax for array type annotation arguments, which you mentioned a week or so back ? basically two variants: @Target({ METHOD, FIELD, ANNOTATION_TYPE, CONSTRUCTOR, PARAMETER }) or maybe:

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

Am 15.05.2018 um 08:03 schrieb mg: What I meant to say yesterday at 1am was: "On the other hand I do not get why only 2 PMC members have been voting +1 on this proposal..." I did not vote +1 because I find it surplus, on the other hand I do not really want to block it if others are eager

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against voting +0, but about why so few PMC members vote at >> all... (?) >> >> Ursprüngliche Nachricht >> Von: MG <mg...@arscreat.com> >> Datum: 15.05.18 00:57 (GMT+01:00) >> An: dev@groovy.apache.org, Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> &

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

@arscreat.com> Datum: 15.05.18 00:57 (GMT+01:00) An: dev@groovy.apache.org, Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array My 10 cents: [VOTE][LAZY] seems a bit odd - if PMC members are on vacation/ill/afk one person could basically push throug

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

My 10 cents: [VOTE][LAZY] seems a bit odd - if PMC members are on vacation/ill/afk one person could basically push through sweeping changes, which seems odd. On the other had I do not get why only 2 PMC members have been voting on this proposal - if you do not care either way, and it already

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

For code change votes, since a single -1 veto is sufficient to prevent the change from going in, it may be a bit overkill to also require three _binding_ (PMC) votes. Whether the veto vote needs to be a binding vote from a PMC member or not is (deliberately?) vague in [1]. The document mentions a

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

My understanding is that there is some flexibility when asking for votes so long as it is clear up front what the expectation is, see e.g. [1]. Even though there are numerous generic Apache sites with similar descriptions, I was thinking of adding some more content in some of our pages to

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

That’s probably why over at Log4j we use slightly different language for voting: “The vote will remain open for 72 hours (or more if required). At least 3 +1 votes ...” It seems unfair that by not participating, it is possible to essentially vote -0 or -1 without justification... Thoughts?

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Please see my original email: "The vote is open for the next 72 hours and passes if a majority of at least three +1 PMC votes are cast." Cheers, Daniel.Sun -- Sent from: http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Groovy-Dev-f372993.html

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Didn’t see a requirement for three +1 votes anywhere... Paul asked for “I would like to see some more PMC votes for this proposal.” Since then, two PMC members voted, one +1 and one +0. Seems sufficient to me... Am I wrong? PMC members, if you feel differently, could you please add your vote?

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Hi Remko, Here are Groovy PMC members http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?pmc=groovy As you can see, PMC member Paul and John vote +1, Guillaume vote +0, other PMC members does not vote... so the GEP gets only two +1 from PMC members... Cheers, Daniel.Sun -- Sent from:

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Why? I count three +1 and one +0 votes. Remko > On May 13, 2018, at 2:21, Daniel.Sun wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > The relevant JIRA ticket has been closed as the GEP fails to get three > +1 from PMC members. > > P.S. I seldom use arrays directly but for performance. > >

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

Hi Paul, The relevant JIRA ticket has been closed as the GEP fails to get three +1 from PMC members. P.S. I seldom use arrays directly but for performance. Cheers, Daniel.Sun -- Sent from: http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Groovy-Dev-f372993.html

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k in practice to me... >>> (same as potentially for Java lambda syntax, depending on whether one >>> will be able to use 100% equivalent & concise Groovy closure syntax here >>> instead). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> mg >>> >>> >>> Ursprüng

Re: [VOTE] Support Java-like array

On 07.05.2018 22:03, Guillaume Laforge wrote: I haven't voted as I'm not a big fan of adding this syntax construct. My feeling is that we shouldn't necessarily try to become a pure Java-superset, and it shouldn't be a goal to try more and more to close that gap. Being able to write Java

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ant to keep this syntax in the corner >>> it belongs, warning about its use looks like the only option that would >>> consistently work in practice to me... >>> (same as potentially for Java lambda syntax, depending on whether one >>> will be able to use 100%

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ly option that would >> consistently work in practice to me... >> (same as potentially for Java lambda syntax, depending on whether one >> will be able to use 100% equivalent & concise Groovy closure syntax here >> instead). >> >> Cheers, >> mg >> >> &

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00% equivalent & concise Groovy closure syntax here instead). Cheers,mg Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: "Daniel.Sun" <sun...@apache.org> Datum: 04.05.18 03:38 (GMT+01:00) An: d...@groovy.incubator.apache.org Betreff: [VOTE] Support Java-like array Dear deve

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00% equivalent & concise Groovy closure syntax here instead). Cheers,mg Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: "Daniel.Sun" <sun...@apache.org> Datum: 04.05.18 03:38 (GMT+01:00) An: d...@groovy.incubator.apache.org Betreff: [VOTE] Support Java-like array Dear deve

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Hi Paul, I've added your proposed provisos to the PR. Thanks for your voting. Cheers, Daniel.Sun -- Sent from: http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Groovy-Dev-f372993.html

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+1 with the following provisos: * we need to update the breaking changes section of 3.0.0 release notes on the website (site/src/site/releasenotes/groovy-3.0.adoc) to include the cases listed in GROOVY-8561 * we need to update the "Array initializers" section of core-differences-java.adoc (we need

[VOTE] Support Java-like array

Dear development community, In order to improve Groovy's compatibility with Java(Copy & Paste) and make Groovy more friendly to Java developers[1], I propose to support Java-like array[2][3] and start the VOTE thread for supporting Java-like array. Please vote on supporting Java-like