Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Guenter Knauf fua...@apache.org wrote: also I would be +++1 for making fix dates for releases, f.e. lets say 4 times a year which means all 3 months - and then doing the release *REGARDLESS* if we have thing hanging in STATUS or not! What doesnt go into this

RE: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-11 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , Vodafone Group
-Original Message- From: Jim Jagielski Sent: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2013 13:51 To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Guenter Knauf fua...@apache.org wrote: also I would be +++1 for making fix dates for releases, f.e. lets

[VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Fellow httpd devs, A major problem which has occurred repeatedly, since the rapid pace of release candidates in the 2.0 series, is that the RM baton has been announced and dropped on the ground for weeks, if not many months. The prime directive of open source at the ASF is to release early and

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Graham Leggett
On 10 Jul 2013, at 8:41 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: A major problem which has occurred repeatedly, since the rapid pace of release candidates in the 2.0 series, is that the RM baton has been announced and dropped on the ground for weeks, if not many months. The prime

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:41 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.netwrote: Fellow httpd devs, A major problem which has occurred repeatedly, since the rapid pace of release candidates in the 2.0 series, is that the RM baton has been announced and dropped on the ground for weeks, if not

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Eric Covener
I think the problem with no-one picking up the baton on a stalled release is just a different angle on the same participation problem -- what little resource there is gobbled up by non-RM activities (some of it self imposed overhead as you outlined in the other thread). So my concern with the

RE: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , Vodafone Group
-Original Message- From: Graham Leggett [mailto:] Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013 10:12 To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton On 10 Jul 2013, at 8:41 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Proposed: An RM intent-to-tag announcement is valid

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
-1. On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:41 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Fellow httpd devs, A major problem which has occurred repeatedly, since the rapid pace of release candidates in the 2.0 series, is that the RM baton has been announced and dropped on the ground for weeks, if

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
Considering that I've been the only RM for 2.4.x, I can't help but assume that Bill is referring to me. As mentioned by others, by indicating a desire to TR, it energizes people to catch up on STATUS, place their votes and propose backports. So it is *expected* that at a time when things should

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
On 7/10/2013 7:13 AM, Eric Covener wrote: So my concern with the proposal -- are there really wiling/able RM's waiting in the wings in these periods? If they're there -- are they afraid of stepping on an RM's toes, or of drawing a line in the sane for the half-approved backports? (I have

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
As someone who's done most of the 2.4 releases, my goal has always been to ensure that whatever we release has as much trunk-goodness as possible. The more deviation there is between trunk and 2.4 the worse it is, imo, because it makes 2.4 less appealing. We are now currently using trunk pretty

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Guenter Knauf
On 10.07.2013 15:22, Jim Jagielski wrote: Considering that I've been the only RM for 2.4.x, I can't help but assume that Bill is referring to me. As mentioned by others, by indicating a desire to TR, it energizes people to catch up on STATUS, place their votes and propose backports. So it is

Re: [VOTE] The 'RM' Baton

2013-07-10 Thread Ben Reser
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Guenter Knauf fua...@apache.org wrote: I was also thinking about learning how to release - but the lack of proper documentation for the whole process holds me back; I remember how Graham fell from one trap into another when he did his 1st APR release, and I dont