Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-26 Thread sophie
Hi Eike, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Sophie, On Wednesday, 2009-04-22 16:33:23 +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: Btw I couldn't find the policy mentioning the 80% rule(s) in the archive or webpages. I know it has been referenced recently, but where... Anybody with an URL? Also a mail from Eike:

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-24 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Sophie, On Wednesday, 2009-04-22 16:33:23 +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: Btw I couldn't find the policy mentioning the 80% rule(s) in the archive or webpages. I know it has been referenced recently, but where... Anybody with an URL? Also a mail from Eike:

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-22 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Goran Rakic wrote: [...] Full install sets for sr and sh (committed UI=100%, HC2=0%) based on RC1 are not available. I will run VLCTestTool and do sanity release checks using language packs for OOO310_m11 (RC2) once it is released if install sets will not be provided. As we just learned

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-22 Thread Marcus Lange
On 04/22/09 16:18, Stefan Taxhet wrote: Hi Stefan, Btw I couldn't find the policy mentioning the 80% rule(s) in the archive or webpages. I know it has been referenced recently, but where... Anybody with an URL? are you looking for this webpage?

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-22 Thread sophie
Hi Stefan, Stefan Taxhet wrote: Hi, Goran Rakic wrote: [...] Full install sets for sr and sh (committed UI=100%, HC2=0%) based on RC1 are not available. I will run VLCTestTool and do sanity release checks using language packs for OOO310_m11 (RC2) once it is released if install sets will

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-22 Thread sophie
Hi again, Stefan Taxhet wrote: Hi, Goran Rakic wrote: [...] Full install sets for sr and sh (committed UI=100%, HC2=0%) based on RC1 are not available. I will run VLCTestTool and do sanity release checks using language packs for OOO310_m11 (RC2) once it is released if install sets will

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-22 Thread Rafaella Braconi
Btw I couldn't find the policy mentioning the 80% rule(s) in the archive or webpages. I know it has been referenced recently, but where... Anybody with an URL? This one: http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=7255 Rafaella

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-21 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Goran Rakic wrote: У пет, 17. 04 2009. у 11:21 +0200, Joost Andrae пише: It is not about having one or two servers hosting the files. It is about more than 100 servers hosting files for millions of users ( 5000 downloads since version 3). I would assume the wast majority of

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-21 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Rimas, Didn't I offer a solution for exactly this problem? Please re-read point 2) above, I just removed the unnecessary example from it. for sure, it would be a solution, at least for interim time, to host less-downloaded languages only on a few selected

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-18 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Rimas, Didn't I offer a solution for exactly this problem? Please re-read point 2) above, I just removed the unnecessary example from it. for sure, it would be a solution, at least for interim time, to host less-downloaded languages only on a few selected servers. From what I understand,

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-18 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hello, Florian Effenberger rašė: for sure, it would be a solution, at least for interim time, to host less-downloaded languages only on a few selected servers. From what I understand, MirrorBrain can perfectly work with that, checking each mirror's files and only redirecting to those having

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-17 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi Rimas, So, in theory, it shouldn't be that hard to have one or two master servers hosting let's say, a terabyte of data, right? It is not about having one or two servers hosting the files. It is about more than 100 servers hosting files for millions of users ( 5000 downloads since

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-17 Thread Goran Rakic
У пет, 17. 04 2009. у 11:21 +0200, Joost Andrae пише: It is not about having one or two servers hosting the files. It is about more than 100 servers hosting files for millions of users ( 5000 downloads since version 3). I would assume the wast majority of downloads was for en-US

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis
2009.04.17 12:21, Joost Andrae rašė: Hi Rimas, So, in theory, it shouldn't be that hard to have one or two master servers hosting let's say, a terabyte of data, right? It is not about having one or two servers hosting the files. It is about more than 100 servers hosting files for millions

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Goran, Is it possible to have full install sets for small languages (meaning low download count) like Serbian Cyrillic and Latin off the mirror network? in general, that would be possible. We have to check how many languages would fit into that scheme, i.e. if it saves us enough space on

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Rafaella Braconi wrote: Hi Andre, really thank you for initiating this thread to gather the requirements. Please see my commetns below: On 04/14/09 21:19, André Schnabel wrote: [...] I'd ask you to answer these questions (at least those of you who can provide good input). - What are

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote: Thanks for this numbers - and just to be precise and understand the restrictions correctly: the limit is not set by our infrastructure, but has been agreed with the mirror admins? Means - if we would like to use more space at the mirrors we would need to ask the

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Goran Rakic wrote: У сре, 15. 04 2009. у 19:28 +0200, Florian Effenberger пише: The only chance I see is to ask the extended mirrors (who already agreed in providing more mirror space than normal mirrors). But I doubt we get lots of them offering us 150+ GB... Is it possible to have full

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Stefan Taxhet
Hi, Marcus Lange wrote: On 04/14/09 22:28, sophie wrote: Martin asked about with or without JRE. What is the prerequisite for your languages, could we have a common decision on this or is it a case by case? IMHO we have to come to one solution for all languages. etc. Nobody would be

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hello, 2009.04.15 20:28, Florian Effenberger rašė: Thanks for this numbers - and just to be precise and understand the restrictions correctly: the limit is not set by our infrastructure, but has been agreed with the mirror admins? Means - if we would like to use more space at the mirrors we

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-16 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi, [This is slightly offtopic, mostly for Goran] 2009.04.15 01:52, Goran Rakic rašė: Another issue is ***visibility of our builds***. Over 50% of sr.openoffice.org visitors come from www.openoffice.org so it is very important for us to have download.js script and

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Marcus Lange
On 04/14/09 22:28, sophie wrote: Hi Sophie, Martin asked about with or without JRE. What is the prerequisite for your languages, could we have a common decision on this or is it a case by case? IMHO we have to come to one solution for all languages. etc. Nobody would be willing to keep the

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Marcus Lange
On 04/14/09 21:19, André Schnabel wrote: Hi André, - What are the restrictions we have to face? Restricted resources for distribution were mentioned - I'd lik to see concrete numbers here. Esp. the question if these limited resources are under our control or not is important. a few weeks ago

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Rafaella Braconi
Hi Andre, really thank you for initiating this thread to gather the requirements. Please see my commetns below: On 04/14/09 21:19, André Schnabel wrote: Hi, (please send replys to d...@l10n only) within the last days, we had a discussion the request for providing more ful installation

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Joost Andrae
Hi all, I'd like to add some comments... Providing localized builds on the one hand and providing a release candidate and stable localized builds is something different from my point of view. Full localized builds (l10n snapshot builds) can be uploaded to one single FTP server. Such builds

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Having just a language pack mean that users have to ***install English version first*** (navigating through Installation wizard on English language even we did translate all these messages), then install language pack, start OOo on English, go to Preferences, change UI language and restart

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Joost, Joost Andrae schrieb: Release candidate builds and stable localized builds need to be mirrored because such builds get downloaded millions of times. Since version 3.0 there were more than 5000 downloads. Unfortunately the mirror network is in my opinion too small. The mirror

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi André, Thanks for this numbers - and just to be precise and understand the restrictions correctly: the limit is not set by our infrastructure, but has been agreed with the mirror admins? Means - if we would like to use more space at the mirrors we would need to ask the mirror admins (if

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Goran, Goran Rakic schrieb: In the current process here are the issues we are facing with: Having just a language pack mean that users have to ***install English version first*** (navigating through Installation wizard on English language even we did translate all these messages), then

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, reply to myself - for the needs of the germanophone project :) André Schnabel schrieb: - What are the requirements of the native lang teams? E.g. do we really need full installation sets on each platform (even several installation sets for some platforms). Do we need all the packages at

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 14/04/2009 André Schnabel wrote: - What are the requirements of the native lang teams? E.g. do we really need full installation sets on each platform (even several installation sets for some platforms). Do we need all the packages at the same time? Do we need the files on the mirror

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-15 Thread Goran Rakic
У сре, 15. 04 2009. у 19:28 +0200, Florian Effenberger пише: The only chance I see is to ask the extended mirrors (who already agreed in providing more mirror space than normal mirrors). But I doubt we get lots of them offering us 150+ GB... Is it possible to have full install sets for small

[l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-14 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, (please send replys to d...@l10n only) within the last days, we had a discussion the request for providing more ful installation packages. The need was raised by the serbian team [1] but is valid for almost all languages. Rafaella did forward the request to the OOo Community Council [2].

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-14 Thread sophie
Hi André, all, André Schnabel wrote: Hi, (please send replys to d...@l10n only) within the last days, we had a discussion the request for providing more ful installation packages. The need was raised by the serbian team [1] but is valid for almost all languages. Rafaella did forward

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-14 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Sophie, sophie schrieb: André Schnabel wrote: ... - What are the requirements of the native lang teams? ... As part of the requirements you are asking for, I would like to be more precise on the steps we are talking about : - are we speaking about language packs for RC to be

Re: [l10n-dev] Needs and restrictions for provideing full install sets

2009-04-14 Thread Goran Rakic
Dana Uto, 14 April, 2009 21:19 , André Schnabel je napisao/la - What are the requirements of the native lang teams? E.g. do we really need full installation sets on each platform (even several installation sets for some platforms). Speaking in the name of Serbian OOo community: - We are