Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Trustin Lee
Hi, I know SLF4J is a great logging framework for us, but I encounter with many questions with configuring SLF4J to work with one's favorite logging frameworks very often, via ML, IRC or personal e-mail. IIRC, we already talked about providing a way to choose the logging framework, but I thought

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Maarten Bosteels
Hi Trustin, I don't like this idea. It basically means that we are going to build are own logging-lib facade, a job that SLF4J does very well. And IMHO it won't simplify things, we'll have to explain people how our mechanism for choosing a logging-librarry works. Maybe a well-written FAQ entry

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Jeroen Brattinga
Well... since the documentation for SLF4J is very clear and easy to understand, I don't really see a reason to abandon it. Personally I think the (original) choice for this logging facade was perfect (especially since you can change the actual logger on the spot, without any code changes).

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Trustin Lee
On 9/27/07, Maarten Bosteels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Trustin, I don't like this idea. It basically means that we are going to build are own logging-lib facade, a job that SLF4J does very well. And IMHO it won't simplify things, we'll have to explain people how our mechanism for

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Alex Karasulu
Hi Trustin, How about inquiring with Ceki to see if these concerns can be addressed then see what other options exist? The idea of yet another logging implementation is a bit nausiating: there are so many already in existance. Adding yet another one to the mix especially to be maintained by the

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Trustin Lee
On 9/27/07, Maarten Bosteels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/07, Maarten Bosteels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/07, Trustin Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/07, Maarten Bosteels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Trustin, I don't like this idea. It basically means that we

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Any logging framework will have pros and cons. SLF4J are solving a lot of pb we had with log4j. It's not perfect, and users who are not completely aware of the existence of a documentation may have pb. This is pretty much a RTFM problem than a SLF4j pb. I would much more favor an augmented FAQ to

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Mike Heath
Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Any logging framework will have pros and cons. SLF4J are solving a lot of pb we had with log4j. It's not perfect, and users who are not completely aware of the existence of a documentation may have pb. This is pretty much a RTFM problem than a SLF4j pb. I would much

Re: Is SLF4J hard to configure? (read: do we need to provide a way to choose the logging framework?)

2007-09-27 Thread Mark
I added a simple logging tutorial to http://mina.apache.org/documentation.html I hope this will help and at least we will have something to point people towards. On 9/27/07, Mike Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Any logging framework will have pros and cons. SLF4J are