Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
Louis, Le Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:32:28 -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com a écrit : All, I have asked that Charles Schulz recuse himself from his role as lead of the NLC category because of the confusion his new role outside of OpenOffice.org would produce in the minds of contributors and users. I have not received an answer, so I must presume one, that he would act with good grace and recognize the impossibility of his dual roles. I am afraid you are presuming the wrong way. I am sorry not to have given you an answer earlier publicly, but I am not going away. Your takeover of my position is simply not right, does not match any of our guidelines and implies a lot of nebulous things: confusion with my new role? Please define why my new role would confuse the OpenOffice.org community. I think my new role is quite clear; the fact that I will eventually leave, on my own accord and terms should also be clear. Louis, I am not employed by Oracle: you cannot fire me nor anyone like you're trying to do. This is extravagant and outlines a deep misunderstanding of community management. As lead I will continue to do what I normally do as the co-lead of the NLC—the admin, policy, outreach—plus the engagement of new members interested in setting up projects in their native language. Only, I'll do this now as Lead of the category. (There is no real apparatus for formal vote here….) There might not be any, but I'd be interested to know what other think about both the legitimity of your move, let alone of its legality. And there is a fair amount that does need to be done, as OOo is gaining enormous momentum around the world and as you, the NLC projects, are elemental to that! Sorry Louis, no pun intended, but... who are you talking about? This is becoming pathetic. Charles-H. Schulz. best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
If I may say something about this, of course I am just a nobody here, but there does not seem to be any problem with people taking part in a main project and its forks or branches. In fact, OOo will benefit from its forks because it represents a good chance for further development. I dont want to be kicked off the project for supporting a branch either, that is a dangerous idea, where will it end? Also, I would like to say that it has been very hard to find translator for ooo, because it is so huge. I would like to suggest that we merge strings with abiword that has been translated already into albanian. Really, It would be nice to have a cut down version of open office that does not have so many strings to translate or reuses strings from other projects. It is very hard to find people for this huge task. thanks, mike On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Louis, Le Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:32:28 -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com a écrit : All, I have asked that Charles Schulz recuse himself from his role as lead of the NLC category because of the confusion his new role outside of OpenOffice.org would produce in the minds of contributors and users. I have not received an answer, so I must presume one, that he would act with good grace and recognize the impossibility of his dual roles. I am afraid you are presuming the wrong way. I am sorry not to have given you an answer earlier publicly, but I am not going away. Your takeover of my position is simply not right, does not match any of our guidelines and implies a lot of nebulous things: confusion with my new role? Please define why my new role would confuse the OpenOffice.org community. I think my new role is quite clear; the fact that I will eventually leave, on my own accord and terms should also be clear. Louis, I am not employed by Oracle: you cannot fire me nor anyone like you're trying to do. This is extravagant and outlines a deep misunderstanding of community management. As lead I will continue to do what I normally do as the co-lead of the NLC—the admin, policy, outreach—plus the engagement of new members interested in setting up projects in their native language. Only, I'll do this now as Lead of the category. (There is no real apparatus for formal vote here….) There might not be any, but I'd be interested to know what other think about both the legitimity of your move, let alone of its legality. And there is a fair amount that does need to be done, as OOo is gaining enormous momentum around the world and as you, the NLC projects, are elemental to that! Sorry Louis, no pun intended, but... who are you talking about? This is becoming pathetic. Charles-H. Schulz. best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com An: dev@native-lang.openoffice.org Also, I would like to say that it has been very hard to find translator for ooo, because it is so huge. I would like to suggest that we merge strings with abiword that has been translated already into albanian. Well - if you can ask all the translators of AbiWord to sign the SCA (if policy did not change, then it is still required for OOo localization). regards, André -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 10/18/2010 11:37 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Please define why my new role would confuse the OpenOffice.org community. maybe http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=releasesmsgNo=16165 helps understanding, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
Hello Martin, Le Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:16:55 +0200, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@oracle.com a écrit : On 10/18/2010 11:37 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Please define why my new role would confuse the OpenOffice.org community. maybe http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=releasesmsgNo=16165 helps understanding, Actually not that much. What is implied here could be implied just as well for Oracle Open Office. But as Bruce just wrote: Washing us off with the notion of conflict of interest is an interesting way to brush away deep issues pertaining to the OOo project and community. Martin: the community is leaving. It's time to wake up and face these facts (oh I know, there are exceptions, but there are always exceptions). Best, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 18.10.2010, at 15:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Martin: the community is leaving. No no. Charles and co left (or leaving, slowly so the damage to the OOo and the project is bigger...). That's correct. Nothing else. Community didn't left. Community of OpenOffice.org is still here. -- Pavel Janík - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
Le Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:10:44 +0200, Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz a écrit : On 18.10.2010, at 15:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Martin: the community is leaving. No no. Charles and co left (or leaving, slowly so the damage to the OOo and the project is bigger...). That's correct. Nothing else. Community didn't left. Community of OpenOffice.org is still here. No No No. The community (most of the NLC, not you Pavel, most of the QA community, probably most of the Marketing volunteers, the independent developers and non Oracle developers (not you Pavel) are moving to the Document Foundation. But I accept the term Charles and co, it's somewhat reducing though :-) best, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Re: [project leads] Re: [native-lang] Change in Lead
On 10/18/2010 06:50 PM, Christian Lippka wrote: Hi Charles, Am 18.10.2010 17:28, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Le Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:10:44 +0200, Pavel Janíkpa...@janik.cz a écrit : On 18.10.2010, at 15:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Martin: the community is leaving. No no. Charles and co left (or leaving, slowly so the damage to the OOo and the project is bigger...). That's correct. Nothing else. Community didn't left. Community of OpenOffice.org is still here. No No No. The community (most of the NLC, not you Pavel, most of the QA community, probably most of the Marketing volunteers, the independent developers and non Oracle developers (not you Pavel) are moving to the Document Foundation. But I accept the term Charles and co, it's somewhat reducing though :-) Sorry, but this gets confusing. You are saying you are leaving, but you say you also stay. You say you are most of the community (except Oracle and Pavel obviously) but at the same time you leave 'the community' no choice because where should they go if they do not want to leave with you? Since if they just stay here they are at the same position that you are leaving to. Maybe I'm not educated enough in graph theories but I'm not sure where you are, where you want to stay and how you can leave without moving. Is it that you leave but stay at the same place and expect Oracle and Pavel to drift away? Maybe there are drugs that can help me solve this mystery no, it's not worth the effort, just put him into ignore mode since he is only trying to provoke us, to be able to tell the story that we are the bad guys throwing him out the council. Instead of following these fruitless threads we should concentrate on the work we have to do, to address the issues and concerns our community has, the work and feedback we get is indeed invaluable and we would be insane if we would not continue to work on this. But I also have respect of those who decided to go their own way and open alternatives. And most of community people are in the comfortable situation to continue to contribute to both projects for a long time before they might be in the need to decide for one of the branches and let the facts decide. But I expect from the leader of the LO efforts not to play kindergarten but to really lead their fork, otherwise they might end in confinement on a lonely island. Anyway let me formulate a question, where should the part of the pre foundation fork community go that do not like to identify with the foundation? I'm not talking about Oracle people here we will do just fine, I'm talking about Pavel and others. Is it fair from your side to rob them the name 'OpenOffice.org community' ? Why are you not wearing your colors, walk and march under the libre flag, show it proud (as you do on press releases and events). +1 Regards, Christian Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: project_leads-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: project_leads-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
[native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html -louis
