Hi folks & Eric,
according to the NetCAT plan [1] we should have started the
Community Acceptance (CA) survey yesterday. This research helps us to
gather feedback on the latest promoted build from the whole NetBeans
community and not only NetCAT participants before the final release
You're not going to find me arguing against good support for Java 8.
However, as stated above, we anticipate that nb-javac will not be ready in
time for the 12.0 release.
Gj
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:46 PM Eirik Bakke wrote:
> > A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that
I think best to wait for Beta 4. That will basically be our release
candidate.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 14:40, Jiří Kovalský
wrote:
> Hi folks & Eric,
>
> according to the NetCAT plan [1] we should have started the
> Community Acceptance (CA) survey yesterday. This research helps us to
>
In such case let's include
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4071 which is so far the
only blocker identified by NetCAT team.
Eric?
-Jirka
Dne 28. 04. 20 v 14:44 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
I think best to wait for Beta 4. That will basically be our release
candidate.
Gj
On
> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that we
> explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor if they’re
> running NetBeans on JDK 8.
I think it's too early to drop first-class support for Java 8, for the same
reasons people listed in the earlier "Pull
No, not at all!
I just confused the "what JDK the IDE is running on" vs. "what JDK the project
is compiled with" when interpreting your proposed restriction.
Ideally, a warning should be shown to a user if they try to use a JDK 8 project
while running the IDE on a JDK that does not support
Well, it’s specifically about editing Java source files, in a project that
uses any JDK, when NetBeans itself is running on JDK 8. Under these
conditions, nb-javac is a requirement — specifically when editing Java
source files, i.e., when using the Java editor. You can still build, test,
run, etc.
Yes, the Java editor uses the JDK 14 javac if it runs on that JDK — even if
the build of a particular project uses JDK 8 or anything else.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:25, Scott Palmer wrote:
> Just my 2 cents... I am all for NB having great first-class support for
> development of projects
Sure. Though I think the user would be surprised if editing/code-completion
just silently doesn't work, when building/running does. There needs to be a
message of some sort, recommending running the IDE on a later JDK.
Otherwise we risk having users go "Well, I tried NetBeans once, and it
Hopefully that’s not sarcasm. :-)
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:43, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> Oh, now I get it. So you can still compile projects with JDK 8 and use the
> editor, but you must run the IDE itself on JDK 14, and with no nb-javac (to
> make JDK 8 projects work).
>
> That actually seems
Absolutely true.
But at this point a new user is unlikely to get started by downloading JDK
8.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 19:50, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> Sure. Though I think the user would be surprised if
> editing/code-completion just silently doesn't work, when building/running
> does. There
Just my 2 cents... I am all for NB having great first-class support for
development of projects that use Java 8, but I don’t care if I’m forced to run
NB itself with JDK-14.
I realize that some have projects based on the NB platform that they want to
run on Java 8. I think if you are in that
Oh, now I get it. So you can still compile projects with JDK 8 and use the
editor, but you must run the IDE itself on JDK 14, and with no nb-javac (to
make JDK 8 projects work).
That actually seems very reasonable!
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: Tuesday,
> But there is the UI for this, correct? I mean, when one activates the Java
> support (in the default build), the UI will even refuse to activate it on JDK
> 8 without installing nb-javac.
That's good. Sounds like there are plenty of barriers against users
accidentally ending up in a
I'm starting to wade into helping get the C/C++ module up and running on
Apache Netbeans. As a result, I have quick project question for the more
"senior" folks on this group. Or anyone else who cares to comment. 8-)
I would like to propose that we drop support for the SunStudio tools (i.e.
On 4/28/2020 3:58 PM, Brad Walker wrote:
I'm starting to wade into helping get the C/C++ module up and running on
Apache Netbeans. As a result, I have quick project question for the more
"senior" folks on this group. Or anyone else who cares to comment. 8-)
I would like to propose that we drop
Hi,
I am trying to build NetBeans on the Mac and have been running into an odd
compiler error (bottom of email).
I am running with the following:
Graalvm 11 (Enterprise)
jenv managing Java versions
Command line:
ant -Dcluster.config=basic -Dpermit.jdk9.builds=true
I build the exact same
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 10:06, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> Sure it would be good to code without it, but it seems that using the plain
> vanilla javac leads to some serious caveats according to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Java+Editor+Using+JDK+javac
That page is quite old
Hi all,
We’re getting close to the 12.0 release and nb-javac won’t be available at
the time of release. What nb-javac provides is detailed elsewhere but in
summary it is a fork of the javac finetuned to the Java Editor in
NetBeans. It can’t be donated to Apache NetBeans because it is a javac
Hi all together,
what about code building. Netbeans is still build on JDK8. Some modules
need nb-javac for compilation and tests to work even if code is build
with JDK8 because code does use JDK9+ API. I think most time API from
javax.lang.model. You can increase min build JDK but it might not
I have the feeling all the confusion about the nb-javac is due to fact
that most of the information is scattered among different discussions and
(old?) wiki pages. As it is a hot topic, it would deserve a single and
up-to-date location about the evolution, don't you think?
Best wishes,
It’s changing all the time though. The enhancements that nb-javac brings
are continually being reworked into our GitHub via interaction with vanilla
javac.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 12:22, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> I have the feeling all the confusion about the nb-javac is due to fact
> that
IMHO this justifies even more to group the information about
nb-javac/javac in single place, no?
JMB
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:25 PM Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
> It’s changing all the time though. The enhancements that nb-javac brings
> are continually being reworked into our GitHub via
Hi fellows,
I wonder how the Netbeans confluence is or shall be used by our community.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans
Moreover, I don't find (or could not find) any reference to it, either on
GitHub or on the official site netbeans.apache.org.
Am I missing
Isn't it possible to use old versions nb-javac (the last supported) with
Java 8 (for example without support records and etc.) and otherwise (with
newer version of java) use vanilla javac?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> Now for my understanding: if you run Netbeans on
Now for my understanding: if you run Netbeans on JDK9+, but your projects
are still using/running on JDK8, will you still need nb-javac for Java
editing?
Cheers,
JM
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 AM Benjamin Graf wrote:
> Hi all together,
>
> what about code building. Netbeans is still build on
Hi,
Thanks for kicking this off! :-)
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 07:47, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> We’re getting close to the 12.0 release and nb-javac won’t be available at
> the time of release.
For clarity, we have the older nb-javac with support for JDK 13 that
we've had since 11.2 updates.
I some answers here:
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
But still, according to the blog entry, if you run NB on JDK9+ and use the
provided javac, you don't get all the benefits of nb-javac. I doesn't say
neither what those benefits are nor if you would benefit from them
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 09:44, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> I wonder how the Netbeans confluence is or shall be used by our community.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans
>
> Moreover, I don't find (or could not find) any reference to it, either on
> GitHub or on the
Hi Geertjan,
Sure it would be good to code without it, but it seems that using the plain
vanilla javac leads to some serious caveats according to
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Java+Editor+Using+JDK+javac
So we can't reasonabily recommend to people not using the nb-javac,
Another way to look at it is via a search in our PRs, when you search on
javac, or similar, you should find all of them.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 13:35, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>
>
> Sure, if you can put it together, I’ll be happy to contribute to it.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at
Sure, if you can put it together, I’ll be happy to contribute to it.
Gj
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 13:13, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> IMHO this justifies even more to group the information about
> nb-javac/javac in single place, no?
>
> JMB
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:25 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>
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