Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi again,

We have 83 source code sample zip files [1] referenced from the 
tutorials, with simple examples, that we may want to add.


Do we want to redo then under the Apache License? Request Oracle to 
donate these as well?


Thanks,
Antonio


[1]

http://developers.sun.com/events/techdays/downloads/labs/6400_mobilegame.zip
https://netbeans.org/downloads/zip.html
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1928/lesson2.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1929/lesson3.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1930/lesson4.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1931/lesson5.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1932/lesson6.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1933/lesson7.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1934/lesson8.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/2028/php_demo.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/2343/SoapWithAttachments.zip
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/770/InternationalizeDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/NetBeans%20IDE%206.8/JavaEE/entappclient.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FCPlusPlus%252FJNIDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FHelloSpring69.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FIFPWAFCAD.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%2520Web%252FMyStrutsApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FDeploymentTutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FGapSupport.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252Fgbcustomizer-advanced-tutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252Fgbcustomizer-basic-tutorial.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJava%252FJFileChooserDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo2.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo3.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemoComplete.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FcdiDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FConsultingAgencyJSF20.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_complete.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot10.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot1.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot2.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot3.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot4.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot5.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot6.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot7.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot8.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252FAffableBean_snapshot9.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fecommerce%252Fimg.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fjavadb-consult.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FjsfDemoCompleted.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FjsfDemo.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FMavenEnterpriseApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252Fmysql-consult.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FNewsAppEE6.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaEE%252FWebAppJUnit.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FDojoTreeSample.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FjQueryProjectFiles.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252FMyAjaxApp.zip
https://netbeans.org/projects/samples/downloads/download/Samples%252FJavaScript%252Fpix.zip

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi again,

Some tutorials (see [1] for an example) point to source code zips (no 
ASF headers) hosted at netbeans.org. These are small zips that add value 
to the tutorials.


I'll try to enumerate these files and try to salvage them. Maybe we want 
to create a "samples" repository for hosting these?


Thanks,
Antonio


[1]
The tutorial at
http://netbeans.apache.org/kb/docs/php/wish-list-lesson2.html

references
https://netbeans.org/files/documents/4/1928/lesson2.zip

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] https://hg.netbeans.org

-Jirka

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

We already have a OSOUL service. Maybe we can upload the repository 
there, and then redirect from bits.netbeans.org to that place (we're 
already redirecting requests from Apache to Oracle infrastructure).


Cheers,
Antonio

El 16/1/20 a las 18:51, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:

(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub
Packages. Or somewhere else.


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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Neil C Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 17:51, Lars Bruun-Hansen  wrote:
> I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they
> require that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId
> (reversed).

I would check that with Apache Infra whether something can be arranged
there.  I have a feeling that archiving pre-ASF resources under the
old coordinates might be something that would be OK, as long as
they're not distributed via ASF infrastructure.  Fairly sure similar
things must have happened before.

Best wishes,

Neil

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RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi Lars, 
 As groupid org.netbeans on central is own by Apache, I ask Infra. Maybe there 
is a solution to have maybe not and we can go to your plan.

Eric

-Message d'origine-
De : Lars Bruun-Hansen  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 18:51
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

Yes, by salvage I mean copy'ing all those Maven artifacts to somewhere else.

>From a previous experience I have the method for doing so, i.e.
recursively crawling through all content in a Nexus instance and copying into 
another Maven server.

I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they require 
that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId (reversed).  My 
plan is to host them under the exact same Maven coordinates as used at the 
moment, and that would mean that Maven Central is not an option since I 
obviously do not own 'netbeans.org'
(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub Packages. 
Or somewhere else.



Lars

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:20 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
>
>  Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.
>
> I will ask sonatype for central.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Geertjan Wielenga  Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 
> 2020 08:44 À : dev@netbeans.apache.org Objet : Re: Any objections 
> against turning netbeans.org OFF?
>
> If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
> process or decision in Oracle takes time).
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> > bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't 
> > be affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community 
> > member doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
> >
> > The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I 
> > think it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven 
> > artifacts and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing 
> > license.
> >
> > Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
> >
> > Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice 
> > to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy 
> > into e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans 
> > Nexus infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lars,
> > >
> > > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories 
> > > GPLv2+owned by
> > > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus 
> > > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> > >
> > > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will 
> > > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot 
> > > > support it.
> > > >
> > > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what 
> > > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > > >
> > > > Summary:
> > > >
> > > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > > netbeans.org:
> > > >
> > > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of 
> > > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > > >
> > > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a 
> > > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available &qu

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

Yes, by salvage I mean copy'ing all those Maven artifacts to somewhere else.

>From a previous experience I have the method for doing so, i.e.
recursively crawling through all content in a Nexus instance and
copying into another Maven server.

I think you can forget about Maven Central. As far as I remember they
require that you can prove that you own the name used as Maven groupId
(reversed).  My plan is to host them under the exact same Maven
coordinates as used at the moment, and that would mean that Maven
Central is not an option since I obviously do not own 'netbeans.org'
(org.netbeans prefix on groupId). So my plan is to publish to GitHub
Packages. Or somewhere else.



Lars

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:20 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
>
>  Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.
>
> I will ask sonatype for central.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Geertjan Wielenga 
> Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 08:44
> À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?
>
> If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
> process or decision in Oracle takes time).
>
> Gj
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> > bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be
> > affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member
> > doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
> >
> > The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think
> > it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts
> > and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.
> >
> > Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
> >
> > Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice
> > to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into
> > e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus
> > infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lars,
> > >
> > > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned
> > > GPLv2+by
> > > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus
> > > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> > >
> > > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will
> > > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot
> > > > support it.
> > > >
> > > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what
> > > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > > >
> > > > Summary:
> > > >
> > > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > > netbeans.org:
> > > >
> > > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of
> > > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > > >
> > > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
> > > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or
> > > > at least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
> > > > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
> > > > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with

RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi,
 Salvage means downloading all the artefacts ?
 
 Lars can you do that salvage? I'm not sure to catch them all.

I will ask sonatype for central.

Regards
Eric 

-Message d'origine-
De : Geertjan Wielenga  
Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2020 08:44
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest (any 
process or decision in Oracle takes time).

Gj

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
wrote:

> Hi Matthias
>
> Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be 
> affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member 
> doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
>
> The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think 
> it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts 
> and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.
>
> Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
>
> Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice 
> to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into 
> e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus 
> infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
>
> Thx
>
> Lars
>
> [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lars,
> >
> > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned 
> > GPLv2+by
> > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus 
> > are eligable for integration/redistribution.
> >
> > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will 
> > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot 
> > > support it.
> > >
> > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what 
> > > exactly do you mean by "turn off" ?
> > >
> > > Summary:
> > >
> > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > netbeans.org:
> > >
> > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of 
> > > NetBeans IDE up until v8.2
> > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > >
> > >
> > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > >
> > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a 
> > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or 
> > > at least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere 
> > > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be 
> > > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with 
> > > the Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so 
> > > that may be a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> > >
> > > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on 
> > > the list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> > >
> > > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> > > For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira 
> > > "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. 
> > > Then we work from that from that Jira plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > my 2c.
> > >
> > > Lars
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal.
> > > > I'll be
> > > > happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in 
> > > 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

Hi Eric,

   we have only manually migrated the most precious Wiki pages and as 
far as I know there is nothing planned to bulk migrate everything. In my 
opinion it is not even needed but if anyone would want to host the 
snapshot of the wiki.netbeans.org, we can create a MySQL dump and 
publish it somewhere for download together with all images/attachments. 
Should be just a couple of GBs.


Best regards,
-Jirka

Dne 14. 01. 20 v 11:39 Eric Barboni napsal(a):

Hi Jirka
  Very late to the thread.

  Is there a way to backup wiki.netbeans.org ? We migrate a few page, but I see 
missing one linked from apidoc.

  If I'm right, turning off netbeans.org will also remove the following:
  apidoc from 5.5 to 8.2
  nexus for netbeans and visualvm (the maven artefacts from 5.5 to 8.2)
  some documentation in platform.netbeans.org or some  .netbeans.org

Best Regards
Eric
  
-Message d'origine-

De : Jiří Kovalský 
Envoyé : mardi 14 janvier 2020 09:53
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.

In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to replace the old 
one. I hope you agree Ernie.

Thanks,
-Jirka

Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):

On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:

Hi Antonio,

in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage


I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not
ready for general usage.

It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user
browsing or downloading.

-ernie

[NETBEANS-3569]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org
_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIr
MUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyN
Tb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKI
gKmiz_ZmjyA=

   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such
by plugin portal



and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the
snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.

[1]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apa
che.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
apI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7to
hclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xM
elh3WdQ=
[2]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org
_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2B
NetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv
7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_u
KKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDK
AQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo=

-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.o
rg_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3D
com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpan
el-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB
65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP
0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0Avb
Ft5IaLPe8lBg=

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new
plugin portal is a substitute.

Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

 as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?

 Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is
anyone aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?

Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before
we turn the servers off or we are ready?

[1]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.or
g=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0S
KeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_
Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw=

-Jirka

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

If people outside Oracle would do this, that would be best and simplest
(any process or decision in Oracle takes time).

Gj

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Lars Bruun-Hansen 
wrote:

> Hi Matthias
>
> Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
> bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be
> affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member
> doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.
>
> The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think
> it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts
> and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.
>
> Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.
>
> Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice
> to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into
> e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus
> infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.
>
> Thx
>
> Lars
>
> [1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lars,
> >
> > I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> > GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned by
> > Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus are
> > eligable for integration/redistribution.
> >
> > The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will
> > _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot
> > > support it.
> > >
> > > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what exactly
> > > do
> > > you mean by "turn off" ?
> > >
> > > Summary:
> > >
> > > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > > netbeans.org:
> > >
> > > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of NetBeans
> > > IDE up until v8.2
> > > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > > - NetBeans API Docs
> > > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> > >
> > >
> > > (all of it legacy of course)
> > >
> > > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
> > > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or at
> > > least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
> > > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
> > > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with the
> > > Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so that may
> > > be
> > > a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> > >
> > > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on the
> > > list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> > >
> > > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> > > For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira
> > > "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. Then
> > > we work from that from that Jira plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > my 2c.
> > >
> > > Lars
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal.
> > > > I'll be
> > > > happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in
> > > > NB.
> > > >
> > > > -ernie
> > > >
> > > > On 1/14/2020 12:52 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to
> > > > > replace
> > > > > the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > -Jirka
> > > > >
> > > > > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> > > > > > On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Antonio,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for
> > > > > > > usage
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > ready for general usage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for
> > > > > > user
> > > > > > browsing or downloading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -ernie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [NETBEANS-3569]
> > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.
> apache.org_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=
> RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_
> 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

Hi Matthias

Sure. When suggesting to "salvage" the Maven artifacts from
bits.netbeans.org/maven2 I made it clear that the hosting couldn't be
affiliated with the ASF.  But that doesn't prevent a community member
doing it on his own or some other organization doing it.

The old license [1] doesn't prevent redistribution, afaik. So I think
it would be perfectly legal to take a copy of those Maven artifacts
and host them somewhere else, while retaining the existing license.

Am I wrong? Let me know if I read the license correctly.

Also, before I start doing any such thing on my own it would be nice
to know if Oracle is contemplating the same, i.e. to make a copy into
e.g. GitHub, before they decommission all their old NetBeans Nexus
infra. It would save me - or some other volunteer - the work.

Thx

Lars

[1] https://netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.html

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:55 PM Matthias Bläsing
 wrote:
>
> Hi Lars,
>
> I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
> GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned by
> Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus are
> eligable for integration/redistribution.
>
> The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will
> _not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> > As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot
> > support it.
> >
> > It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what exactly
> > do
> > you mean by "turn off" ?
> >
> > Summary:
> >
> > Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> > netbeans.org:
> >
> > - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> > - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> > bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> > - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of NetBeans
> > IDE up until v8.2
> > - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> > - NetBeans API Docs
> > - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> > - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> >
> >
> > (all of it legacy of course)
> >
> > In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
> > community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or at
> > least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> > We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
> > else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
> > happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with the
> > Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so that may
> > be
> > a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> >
> > But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on the
> > list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> >
> > Suggestion for structured way forward:
> > Is the list above exhaustive?
> > If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> > For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira
> > "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. Then
> > we work from that from that Jira plan.
> >
> >
> > my 2c.
> >
> > Lars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> > wrote:
> > > Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal.
> > > I'll be
> > > happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in
> > > NB.
> > >
> > > -ernie
> > >
> > > On 1/14/2020 12:52 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to
> > > > replace
> > > > the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Jirka
> > > >
> > > > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> > > > > On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Antonio,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for
> > > > > > usage
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is
> > > > > not
> > > > > ready for general usage.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for
> > > > > user
> > > > > browsing or downloading.
> > > > >
> > > > > -ernie
> > > > >
> > > > > [NETBEANS-3569]
> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKIgKmiz_ZmjyA=
> > > > >
> > > > >   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated
> > > > > as such
> > > > > by plugin portal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can
> > > > > > use the
> > > > > > snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Matthias Bläsing]

Hi Lars,

I don't see a reasonable way to do what you describe. The code is
GPLv2+CDDL (to my knowledge), the content of the repositories owned by
Oracle. Only the donation files can be relicensed to ALv2 and thus are
eligable for integration/redistribution.

The message from the ASF to my understand is pretty clear: We will
_not_ distribute GPL (regardless of the classpath exception).

Greetings

Matthias

Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 07:34 +0100 schrieb Lars Bruun-Hansen:
> As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot
> support it.
> 
> It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what exactly
> do
> you mean by "turn off" ?
> 
> Summary:
> 
> Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from)
> netbeans.org:
> 
> - NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
> - NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
> bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
> - NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of NetBeans
> IDE up until v8.2
> - NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
> - NetBeans API Docs
> - NetBeans Plugin Portal
> - NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)
> 
> 
> (all of it legacy of course)
> 
> In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
> community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or at
> least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
> We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
> else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
> happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with the
> Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so that may
> be
> a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.
> 
> But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on the
> list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.
> 
> Suggestion for structured way forward:
> Is the list above exhaustive?
> If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
> For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira
> "netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. Then
> we work from that from that Jira plan.
> 
> 
> my 2c.
> 
> Lars
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael 
> wrote:
> > Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal.
> > I'll be
> > happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in
> > NB.
> > 
> > -ernie
> > 
> > On 1/14/2020 12:52 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.
> > > 
> > > In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to
> > > replace
> > > the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Jirka
> > > 
> > > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> > > > On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > > > > Hi Antonio,
> > > > > 
> > > > >in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for
> > > > > usage
> > > > 
> > > > I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is
> > > > not
> > > > ready for general usage.
> > > > 
> > > > It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for
> > > > user
> > > > browsing or downloading.
> > > > 
> > > > -ernie
> > > > 
> > > > [NETBEANS-3569]
> > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKIgKmiz_ZmjyA=
> > > > 
> > > >   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated
> > > > as such
> > > > by plugin portal
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can
> > > > > use the
> > > > > snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]
> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apache.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xMelh3WdQ=
> > > > > [2]
> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2BNetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDKAQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo=
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Jirka
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Jirka,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There's an open issue here
> > > > > > 

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

As the suggestion is phrased, "turn off netbeans.org", I cannot support it.

It has to be clearer. Will that TLD cease to exist? Or what exactly do
you mean by "turn off" ?

Summary:

Things to consider which are hosted (or redirected from) netbeans.org:

- NetBeans WWW (the page you arrive at when doing netbeans.org)
- NetBeans Maven. (i.e. bits.netbeans.org/maven2 -->
bits-adc.netbeans.org) - Sonatype Nexus Maven Repo.
- NetBeans downloads (netbeans.org/downloads), download of NetBeans
IDE up until v8.2
- NetBeans Wiki (wiki.netbeans.org)
- NetBeans API Docs
- NetBeans Plugin Portal
- NetBeans Mercurial (hg.netbeans.org)


(all of it legacy of course)

In particular for the legacy NetBeans Maven repo I think we as a
community have an OBLIGATION to make that available "forever", or at
least to place somewhere which (we think) won't go away anytime soon.
We need to salvage the artifacts and make them available somewhere
else. We cannot assume that Oracle will take on that resp. I'll be
happy to work on that. I understand it cannot be affiliated with the
Apache NetBeans project. GitHub can act as a Maven Repo so that may be
a simple solution. Bintray Jcenter is another.

But as people have mentioned there are also the other things on the
list above to consider, besides the Maven repo.

Suggestion for structured way forward:
Is the list above exhaustive?
If so, a Jira Ticker for each of them where we track decommissioning.
For some of them that may already exist. An overall Jira
"netbeans.org" ticket too which links to the individual tickets. Then
we work from that from that Jira plan.


my 2c.

Lars






On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ernie Rael  wrote:
>
> Absolutely, it's a good looking replacement for the old portal. I'll be
> happy to see the new portal's catalog available automatically in NB.
>
> -ernie
>
> On 1/14/2020 12:52 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.
> >
> > In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to replace
> > the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> >> On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> >>> Hi Antonio,
> >>>
> >>>in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage
> >>
> >> I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not
> >> ready for general usage.
> >>
> >> It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user
> >> browsing or downloading.
> >>
> >> -ernie
> >>
> >> [NETBEANS-3569]
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKIgKmiz_ZmjyA=
> >>
> >>   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such
> >> by plugin portal
> >>
> >>
> >>> and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the
> >>> snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apache.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xMelh3WdQ=
> >>> [2]
> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2BNetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDKAQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo=
> >>>
> >>> -Jirka
> >>>
> >>> Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):
> >>>
>  Hi Jirka,
> 
>  There's an open issue here
>  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3Dcom.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpanel-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0AvbFt5IaLPe8lBg=
> 
>  It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new
>  plugin portal is a substitute.
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Antonio
> 
>  El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top
> > level Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org
> > domain in 2020?
> >
> > Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is
> > anyone aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle
> > infrastructure hosting the legacy services?
> >
> > Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before
> > 

RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Barboni]

Hi Jirka
 Very late to the thread.

 Is there a way to backup wiki.netbeans.org ? We migrate a few page, but I see 
missing one linked from apidoc.

 If I'm right, turning off netbeans.org will also remove the following:
 apidoc from 5.5 to 8.2 
 nexus for netbeans and visualvm (the maven artefacts from 5.5 to 8.2)
 some documentation in platform.netbeans.org or some  .netbeans.org

Best Regards
Eric
 
-Message d'origine-
De : Jiří Kovalský  
Envoyé : mardi 14 janvier 2020 09:53
À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
Objet : Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.

In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to replace the old 
one. I hope you agree Ernie.

Thanks,
-Jirka

Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):
> On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
>> Hi Antonio,
>>
>>in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage
> 
> I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not 
> ready for general usage.
> 
> It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user 
> browsing or downloading.
> 
> -ernie
> 
> [NETBEANS-3569]
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org
> _jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIr
> MUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyN
> Tb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKI
> gKmiz_ZmjyA=
> 
>   unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such 
> by plugin portal
> 
> 
>> and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the 
>> snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apa
>> che.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65e
>> apI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7to
>> hclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xM
>> elh3WdQ=
>> [2]
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org
>> _confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2B
>> NetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv
>> 7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_u
>> KKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDK
>> AQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo=
>>
>> -Jirka
>>
>> Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):
>>
>>> Hi Jirka,
>>>
>>> There's an open issue here
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.o
>>> rg_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3D
>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpan
>>> el-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB
>>> 65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP
>>> 0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0Avb
>>> Ft5IaLPe8lBg=
>>>
>>> It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
>>> plugin portal is a substitute.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:
>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>
>>>> as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
>>>> Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?
>>>>
>>>> Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is 
>>>> anyone aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
>>>> infrastructure hosting the legacy services?
>>>>
>>>> Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before 
>>>> we turn the servers off or we are ready?
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.or
>>>> g=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0S
>>>> KeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_
>>>> Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw=
>>>>
>>>> -Jirka
>>>>
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>>>

Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

And the NETBEANS-3569 issue has been implemented.

In my opinion, the new NetBeans Plugin Portal 3.0 is ready to replace 
the old one. I hope you agree Ernie.


Thanks,
-Jirka

Dne 07. 01. 20 v 19:43 Ernie Rael napsal(a):

On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:

Hi Antonio,

   in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage


I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not 
ready for general usage.


It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user 
browsing or downloading.


-ernie

[NETBEANS-3569] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_NETBEANS-2D3569=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=JtwSZNx7C6MpXY_FtzO1piKcWAiPBHKIgKmiz_ZmjyA= 

  unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such by 
plugin portal



and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the 
snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apache.org_pluginportal_=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=ycECpvpGMDj68vnP0CmMChRDhTv4phmlQ6xMelh3WdQ= 
[2] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Where-2Bto-2Bdownload-2Bplugins-2Bfor-2BNetBeans-2B10.0-2Band-2Bearlier=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=X_uKKOyNTb7tohclZEA6JBX7srFlL_Hrd7Ucd2g1bCc=2vTtGB--cbv4J6m1nT5VG8YKDKAQT6UvJXfJtuBSoLo= 


-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3Dcom.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpanel-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0AvbFt5IaLPe8lBg= 

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
plugin portal is a substitute.


Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before 
we turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] 
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Re: Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jean-Marc Borer]

+1

It still essential to keep bits.netbeans.org: it hosts older Maven
artifacts that are still required. If you want to create a Mavenized plugin
for VisualVM 1.4.x which is still based on NB platform 8.2 or 9.0, you need
to access the RELEASE82 and RELEASE90 artifacts. I recently faced this
issue.

Alternatively, we could move the artifacts to another repository.

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 5:41 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:

> +1 for keeping / migrating / redirecting bits.netbeans.org
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebre...@gmail.com
> > On January 3, 2020 at 4:35:32 AM CST, Karl Tauber <
> k...@jformdesigner.com> wrote:
> > Hallo,
> >
> > what happens to http://bits.netbeans.org/ ?
> >
> > I is quite useful to browse NetBeans javadoc online.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> > > El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:
> > > > Hello folks,
> > > >
> > > > as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level
> > > > Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in
> 2020?
> > > >
> > > > Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone
> > > > aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle
> > > > infrastructure hosting the legacy services?
> > > >
> > > > Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we
> > > > turn the servers off or we are ready?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://hg.netbeans.org
> > > >
> > > > -Jirka
> > > >
> > > > -
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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Ernie Rael]

On 1/3/2020 1:05 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:

Hi Antonio,

   in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage


I believe that until [NETBEANS-3569] is resolved, the portal is not 
ready for general usage.


It's fine for creating the update center catalog, but not for user 
browsing or downloading.


-ernie

[NETBEANS-3569] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3569

 unsuitable/failed-verification plugin not indicated as such by 
plugin portal



and if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the 
snapshot [2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.


[1] http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
[2] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier


-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3Dcom.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpanel-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0AvbFt5IaLPe8lBg= 

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
plugin portal is a substitute.


Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before 
we turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.org=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw= 


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Re: Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Eric Bresie]

+1 for keeping / migrating / redirecting bits.netbeans.org

Eric Bresie
ebre...@gmail.com
> On January 3, 2020 at 4:35:32 AM CST, Karl Tauber  
> wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> what happens to http://bits.netbeans.org/ ?
>
> I is quite useful to browse NetBeans javadoc online.
>
> Karl
>
>
> > El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level
> > > Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?
> > >
> > > Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone
> > > aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle
> > > infrastructure hosting the legacy services?
> > >
> > > Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we
> > > turn the servers off or we are ready?
> > >
> > > [1] https://hg.netbeans.org
> > >
> > > -Jirka
> > >
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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Matthias Bläsing]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 02.01.2020, 16:56 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
> aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
> infrastructure hosting the legacy services?

For the plugin portal I would like to ensure, that the keys to the
client credentials for the OAuth infrastructure are accessible to the
PMC. Please see my email about that here:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e53df0e59b362e342bfca064c9fdaab4ac922b681616eb8d0bbabeb8%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E

> Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
> turn the servers off or we are ready?

The donations are not done yet. If this does not hinder them, I see no
problem. One repository that is critical is nb-java-x. If I understood
correctly, that is the home of nbjavac.

That code is GPLv2-CPE and thus can't be hosted on apache
infrastructure. I have two ideas:

a) Oracle hosts it itself and/or migrates it to git and hosts it on
github

b) We form a new organisation on github and host it there

Both approaches will work, but we should do it before the repository
vanishes.

Greetings

Matthias



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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

Yes, I agree with both suggestions i.e. not exposing the VM URL but 
rather https://plugins.netbeans.org instead plus aligning the 
decommission of Oracle hosting to 12.0 release date.


Thank you Antonio & Neil.

-Jirka

Dne 03. 01. 20 v 13:17 Neil C Smith napsal(a):

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 09:28, antonio  wrote:

I don't think exposing the "netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal" url is
a good idea (because it ties a service to a specific box).


+1


We may want to _also_ shut down "plugins.netbeans.org", and then make
"plugins.netbeans.org" point to
"http_S_://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal".


Keep in mind also the IDE links are not directly to
plugins.netbeans.org but to eg.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbeans.apache.org_nb_plugins_11.2=DwIBaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=yl-uwrZrlGdu9aTYAgJMbof8Ln0swZDwPl1SZed6vGs=B5lGzWYjI5D8phU2BfiszjhJQldvrJKQFV5u98rLhxY=
  and are different for
every release.  Those redirects should probably bypass
plugins.netbeans.org completely in
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans-2Dwebsite_blob_master_netbeans.apache.org_src_content_.htaccess=DwIBaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=yl-uwrZrlGdu9aTYAgJMbof8Ln0swZDwPl1SZed6vGs=bLYgdJBgG89HMzESjvtXorR3ZqtFoWoOsuFwAe9FOdE=

All the links to consider handling are in
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans-2Djenkins-2Dlib_blob_master_meta_netbeansrelease.json=DwIBaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=yl-uwrZrlGdu9aTYAgJMbof8Ln0swZDwPl1SZed6vGs=-KlAz8n75eHQ02bKTVOzdPNB2i-YxZO01D13OmHaYSE=

It might be good to keep existing plugin infrastructure live until
12.0 is released IMO.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 09:28, antonio  wrote:
> I don't think exposing the "netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal" url is
> a good idea (because it ties a service to a specific box).

+1

> We may want to _also_ shut down "plugins.netbeans.org", and then make
> "plugins.netbeans.org" point to
> "http_S_://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal".

Keep in mind also the IDE links are not directly to
plugins.netbeans.org but to eg.
https://netbeans.apache.org/nb/plugins/11.2 and are different for
every release.  Those redirects should probably bypass
plugins.netbeans.org completely in
https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/blob/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/.htaccess

All the links to consider handling are in
https://github.com/apache/netbeans-jenkins-lib/blob/master/meta/netbeansrelease.json

It might be good to keep existing plugin infrastructure live until
12.0 is released IMO.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Karl Tauber]

Hallo,

what happens to http://bits.netbeans.org/ ?

I is quite useful to browse NetBeans javadoc online.

Karl



El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] https://hg.netbeans.org

-Jirka

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi Jiri,

I don't think exposing the "netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal" url is 
a good idea (because it ties a service to a specific box).


We may want to _also_ shut down "plugins.netbeans.org", and then make 
"plugins.netbeans.org" point to 
"http_S_://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal".


That would require adding a new virtual host using puppet (Infra ticket 
+ pull request) and should require no changes in the existing code/setup 
in netbeans-vm.


Kind regards,
Antonio



El 3/1/20 a las 10:05, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hi Antonio,

    in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage and 
if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the snapshot 
[2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.


[1] http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
[2] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier 



-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3Dcom.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpanel-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0AvbFt5IaLPe8lBg= 

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
plugin portal is a substitute.


Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.org=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw= 


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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

Hi Antonio,

   in my opinion the new Plugin Portal 3.0 [1] is ready for usage and 
if anyone would like to access the old plugins s/he can use the snapshot 
[2] hosted on Emilian's private VM.


[1] http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
[2] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier


-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 19:03 antonio napsal(a):


Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_INFRA-2D17245-3FfocusedCommentId-3D16876231-26page-3Dcom.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels-253Acomment-2Dtabpanel-23comment-2D16876231=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=B0m3fYY_FOJ17cE4dm9zTb8IiDQ0AvbFt5IaLPe8lBg= 

It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
plugin portal is a substitute.


Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.org=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=72SLBuSzP0_CuN7qTUrzwH7aLpJT_Y8-1iiDGVYwxNc=gil4WTW5pj9CeCyxwrfhlTSaoQ2ivvww-rMgjfqITAw= 


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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[Jiří Kovalský]

Yes, the redirection will be taken care of since ASF already owns the 
netbeans.org domain and it now forwards the traffic to the Oracle 
servers. ASF will simply update the redirection rule to netbeans.apache.org.


-Jirka

Dne 02. 01. 20 v 23:46 Eirik Bakke napsal(a):


Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?


By "turning off", do you mean redirected? Redirecting should be better from a 
SEO perspective, not wasting years of accumulated search engine credit...

-- Eirik

-Original Message-
From: Jiří Kovalský 
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 4:57 PM
To: NetBeans Developers 
Subject: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

Hello folks,

 as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level Apache 
project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?

 Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone aware of 
something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle infrastructure hosting the 
legacy services?

Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we turn the 
servers off or we are ready?

[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hg.netbeans.org=DwIFBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=fwjKJmYFCtVhF9BFDk0BgjONAITqPds3iwgU2zo_bJw=_NHt10aO70d506hd-_rFvA-zwsOcTuTlkmbkzxCHVj4=

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RE: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

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> Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

By "turning off", do you mean redirected? Redirecting should be better from a 
SEO perspective, not wasting years of accumulated search engine credit...

-- Eirik

-Original Message-
From: Jiří Kovalský  
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 4:57 PM
To: NetBeans Developers 
Subject: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

Hello folks,

as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level Apache 
project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?

Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone aware of 
something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle infrastructure hosting the 
legacy services?

Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we turn the 
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[1] https://hg.netbeans.org

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Re: Any objections against turning netbeans.org OFF?

[antonio]

Hi Jirka,

There's an open issue here 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17245?focusedCommentId=16876231=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-16876231


It seems the plugin portal will stop working. Don't know if the new 
plugin portal is a substitute.


Cheers,
Antonio

El 2/1/20 a las 16:56, Jiří Kovalský escribió:

Hello folks,

    as many of you know we have successfully matured to a top level 
Apache project in 2019. How about turning netbeans.org domain in 2020?


    Can we identify parts which still need to be migrated? Is anyone 
aware of something which prevents decommissioning of Oracle 
infrastructure hosting the legacy services?


Are there any Mercurial repositories [1] worth their backup before we 
turn the servers off or we are ready?


[1] https://hg.netbeans.org

-Jirka

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