Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Steven Yi
+1 I'm all for the single installer with different module download options. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John McDonnell wrote: > >> On 7 Nov 2016, at 23:13, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> >> I think the above would actually be a big improvement over the current >> situation where there are

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Wade Chandler
Those are all solvable problems by download and configuration utilities folks. JUnit in NetBeans has been this way a long time actually. So, you need Java, grab the install that supports it, we make it so it lets you click through some menus, it says "Do you agree to download this GPL software to u

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread John McDonnell
> On 7 Nov 2016, at 23:13, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > I think the above would actually be a big improvement over the current > situation where there are multiple downloads. +1 A single download would definitely be simpler and this languages/technology choice could just be an extension of

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Good question and unclear at this point what the solution should be. Personally, wouldn't it be simplest to have one single download (certainly simpler than the current situation) and then the installer asks which languages/technologies you need? If, among others, Java is selected, nb-javac (simply

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread John McDonnell
Hi, So how do you see this going forward? Currently we have 6 download packages, will we have multiple ones when we Apache Netbeans is released?, or will we have 4 downloads (HTML+Javascript, PHP & C/C++, ALL), but the installer always gives the option to install Java? As I think I could get

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It would be a smooth process via the installer. Gj On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:43 PM, John Yeary wrote: > Hello All, > > I agree with John. > > One of the things that I really find annoying about Eclipse is that you > have all of these options, and as a new user it is a daunting task to pick > wh

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread John Yeary
Hello All, I agree with John. One of the things that I really find annoying about Eclipse is that you have all of these options, and as a new user it is a daunting task to pick what you need, or even KNOW what you need. If we start asking new users to go download modules to make it a functional

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread John McDonnell
HI, To me Netbeans has always been first and foremost a Java IDE. This move now seems to be making Java an optional extra to Netbeans that means I need to head off somewhere else to get this nb-javac module. Now I was probably wrong in always thinking that NB is a Java IDE first and foremost,

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Shan Curcuru wrote: > As a non-regular NetBeans user, I have a clarifying question from a > *newcomers* perspective that I think will help on the "ASF code means no > licensing surprises" side. 1- Yes. Assuming we resolve other issues that are going to be coming

Re: Reminder to subscribe to private@ if you're an initial committer

2016-11-07 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 07/11/16 à 15:18, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit : > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote: >> ...you may subscribe to priv...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org. ... > BTW this is done by sending an email to private-subscr...@same.domain.as.above Or you can use the web-ui https://whim

Re: Reminder to subscribe to private@ if you're an initial committer

2016-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > ...you may subscribe to priv...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org. ... BTW this is done by sending an email to private-subscr...@same.domain.as.above -Bertrand

Re: Optional modules with GPL dependencies (was: What to include/exclude in code donation to Apache)

2016-11-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 2016-11-06 15:01 (-0500), Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > > > Geertjan and others already clarified and are documenting the modularity of > > NetBeans [2], with the core NetBeans platform being the only required part. > > All other modules (or clus