Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Just my $0.02, Actually the page makes sense. What is happening is that a group of free software advocates see the advantages of permissive licenses, and particularly the success of the ASF, as a threat to their business. Bradly Kuhn in particular has always been aggressive towards OpenOfficeas

Re: Apache OpenOffice Manual of Style

2015-01-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Sorry for the late reply ... I guess this could be considered the coding style manual in OpenOffice: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Cpp_Coding_Standards I personally don't like it but it is the style used in the source code and I don't think we should start introducing a new one. Pedro.

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 30-01-2015, at 15:36, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Pedro and Jürgen, It is important to be concerned about false contrasts and comparisons. +1 snip It is more important, to me, that there be clarity about what the AOO licensing conditions are and how easy

RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Louis, A PS. There was also something on the legal-discuss list about correcting a slide deck. I have no idea what that was. An afterthought. It struck me, thinking about this some more, that the position of the ASF around conduct in the public interest, including making open-source software

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Michal Hriň
V Piatok, 30. január 2015 o 19:52 +0100, Andrea Pescetti napísal(a): Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [X] Jan Iversen (jani) (non-binding) Regards, Michal Hriň

Re: PMC Chair nominations

2015-01-30 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi, On 30-01-2015, at 12:47, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 01/29/2015 03:56 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Reminder: the nomination deadline expires in a couple hours. See below for details. I won't start a vote immediately since Marcus is the only one who gave feedback and I want to

RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Louis, Summarizing on top, I didn't check the recent video from Bradley Kuhn. I think the objection is to the characterization of copy-left and conflation with the cost of compliance for commercial, closed-source software, and comparing with ALv2 in that regard. At least that is what I got

Re: PMC Chair nominations

2015-01-30 Thread Marcus
Am 01/29/2015 03:56 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Reminder: the nomination deadline expires in a couple hours. See below for details. I won't start a vote immediately since Marcus is the only one who gave feedback and I want to avoid embarrassing situation if I missed a mail or the mailing list

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2015-01-30 19:52 GMT+01:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor could be elected. A previous vote was cancelled. For this second vote we have two

[DISCUSS] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
On another thread, Pedro Giffuni observed that neither Jan nor I are on the AOO PMC. (I think technically Jan might be, even though he withdrew. I suspect he can easily return.) I have never been on the PMC, having withdrawn from participation on AOO once graduation from the Incubator

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Pedro Giffuni
(re sending through the Apache relay this time ..) Hi Dennis; There is never actually such thing as the voice of the project. We have our reasons for choosing a license and it's healthful to explain it's advantages but, at least in the US, in order to give legal advice you have to be a lawyer

[VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor could be elected. A previous vote was cancelled. For this second vote we have two candidates: Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) and Jan Iversen (jani).

RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Pedro and Jürgen, It is important to be concerned about false contrasts and comparisons. There is a risk, when we are essentially preaching to the choir, that we sink into some sort of fundamentalist hyperbole as well. It is satisfying, it is credible to us, and it can be a mistake. Facts

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Dennis, On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Pedro and Jürgen, It is important to be concerned about false contrasts and comparisons. There is a risk, when we are essentially preaching to the choir, that we sink into some sort of fundamentalist hyperbole as well.

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
[X] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) Binding. On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor could be elected. A previous vote was cancelled.

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Kay Schenk
On 01/29/2015 10:19 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I didn't even know about this page, http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and didn't think much about it. Today, Simon Phipps has pointed out how

Re: PMC Chair nominations

2015-01-30 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 30-01-2015, at 19:04, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 31/01/2015 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 30-01-2015, at 12:47, Marcus wrote: On 26/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Just a note in a dedicated thread to say that nominations for a new PMC Chair are to be considered open

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread V Stuart Foote
Andrea Pescetti-2 wrote Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [ ] Jan Iversen (jani) Both excellent candidates, thank you both! but, my vote--non-binding-- is: [X] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid)

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 30/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [X] Jan Iversen (jani) Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/01/15 19:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I didn't even know about this page, http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Kay Schenk
On 01/30/2015 10:52 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 31 December 2014 I wrote to this list that I would be available to resign from the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair position as soon as a successor could be elected. A previous vote was cancelled. For this second vote we have two candidates:

Re: PMC Chair nominations

2015-01-30 Thread Marcus
Am 01/29/2015 03:56 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Reminder: the nomination deadline expires in a couple hours. See below for details. I won't start a vote immediately since Marcus is the only one who gave feedback and I want to avoid embarrassing situation if I missed a mail or the mailing list

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Marcus
Am 01/30/2015 01:32 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 29/01/15 19:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I didn't even know about this page,http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and didn't think much about it.

Re: PMC Chair nominations

2015-01-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 31/01/2015 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 30-01-2015, at 12:47, Marcus wrote: On 26/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Just a note in a dedicated thread to say that nominations for a new PMC Chair are to be considered open for three more days, to give others (Dennis and Jan already nominated

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: On another thread, Pedro Giffuni observed that neither Jan nor I are on the AOO PMC. This was already noted in my vote mail and in previous discussions. The winning candidate will be admitted to the PMC (there are minimum requirements but I'm sure we can meet

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Marcus
Am 01/30/2015 07:52 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) [X] Jan Iversen (jani) Binding Marcus

English Dictionaries updated - 2015-02-01

2015-01-30 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto
Hello! I have just updated the English Dictionaries: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice In some countries it is already the 1st of February, so I have decided to release it with that date (since all was ready already). Changes: - en_CA

Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Peter Junge
On 31/01/15 02:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as the OpenOffice project PMC Chair? [ X] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) (binding) [ ] Jan Iversen (jani) Vote opens now and it will last one week, until 6 February 2015 7:00 PM GMT,

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I didn't even know about this page, http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and didn't think much about it. Today, Simon

Re: Formation Open Office

2015-01-30 Thread Alexandro Colorado
It is pretty hard to find it since most of the trainning is done now either for private companies or at universities and such. I would suggest visiting a local linux groups which surely have OpenOffice/LibreOffice experience. That said if there are specific questions you can always visit our

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
I had expressed concernonly to highlight it. I agree others had the chance to express concern. PMC could have started a vote. Lazy consensus rules. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: On another thread, Pedro

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Pedro and Jürgen, It is important to be concerned about false contrasts and comparisons. There is a risk, when we are essentially preaching to the choir, that we sink into some sort of fundamentalist hyperbole as

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Marcus
Am 01/30/2015 01:32 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 29/01/15 19:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I didn't even know about this page,http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and didn't think much about it.

Formation Open Office

2015-01-30 Thread Claudia Leduc
Hi, I'm looking of an Open Office training class for a friend. She would like a training within a group with a teacher in Montreal (not online nor video). Do you know if such thing exist or where I could look for this? Thanks a lot in advance, ​ Claudia Leduc http://about.me/claudialeduc

Re: Open office Calc crashing

2015-01-30 Thread Binny James
Dear Sir, Probably one time I get crash a day. Today also I got the same case. I will let you know more on coming Monday Did not see any error, but I saw some in Even Viewer, it says some config delay, sure I shall get you on Monday... Sincerely Binny On 1/29/2015 10:05 PM, Dennis E.

Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs

2015-01-30 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 29/01/15 19:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I didn't even know about this page, http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html, until I saw an update on the Apache ooo-site SVN yesterday. I glanced at it and didn't think much about it. Today, Simon Phipps has pointed out how strange