Re: moving to git !?

2018-11-05 Thread Peter Kovacs
Maybe it is nice to be aware on the differences between svn and git [0]

As a quick start comparison of commands is helpful [1]

For Windows there is also a tortoise client [2]. However if you use
tortoise for svn too, be careful. Last time I wanted to use both I had
some trouble.

github [3] and atlasians bitbucket [4] have some tutorials. Even both
refer to their own cloud, but that is I think not big deal to think of
our online repo instead.

[0] https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnComparison

[1] http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html

[2] https://tortoisegit.org/

[3] https://try.github.io/

[4] https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/learn-git-with-bitbucket-cloud

On 06.11.18 06:16, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> I am going to have to learn git. No big deal - revision control
> systems go out of fashion every few years and it becomes time to learn
> a currently fashionable one.
>
> Can you recommend a book or tutorial? I've used RCS and SCCS as well
> as, obviously, Subversion.
>
> On 11/5/2018 2:37 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We had the discussion 1 year ago to move to git. For me it was a clear
>> vote for this move. However nothing happened when we released 4.1.4.
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4db20d193cc30850e63dc03378a20462d1e5c113e566fffd6c776d1c@%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E
>>
>>
>>
>> It was somewhat unlucky. We should start to prepare the move. I think it
>> is okay to do this now. After that we should start with 4.1.7 release
>> and 4.2.0 release preparations.
>>
>> We can also start the uno split if Damjan is still in this idea.
>>
>>
>> Also we need to check on the pull workflow with infra. Any volunteers to
>> do this?
>>
>> Any Concerns with this initiative?
>>
>>
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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Peter Kovacs
Ok. This is done.

On 05.11.18 23:21, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> So now the rules state I should sign all artifacts. Others may
>> concatenate their signature if they want. Do we follow this?
>
> No, you need to sign only three files, the three source files. And you
> should remove the existing three corresponding .asc files since
> multiple signatures in the same .asc file are not officially
> supported. So others should not append signatures. All details are in
> my message.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: moving to git !?

2018-11-05 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I am going to have to learn git. No big deal - revision control systems 
go out of fashion every few years and it becomes time to learn a 
currently fashionable one.


Can you recommend a book or tutorial? I've used RCS and SCCS as well as, 
obviously, Subversion.


On 11/5/2018 2:37 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello all,

We had the discussion 1 year ago to move to git. For me it was a clear
vote for this move. However nothing happened when we released 4.1.4.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4db20d193cc30850e63dc03378a20462d1e5c113e566fffd6c776d1c@%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E


It was somewhat unlucky. We should start to prepare the move. I think it
is okay to do this now. After that we should start with 4.1.7 release
and 4.2.0 release preparations.

We can also start the uno split if Damjan is still in this idea.


Also we need to check on the pull workflow with infra. Any volunteers to
do this?

Any Concerns with this initiative?



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moving to git !?

2018-11-05 Thread Peter Kovacs
Hello all,

We had the discussion 1 year ago to move to git. For me it was a clear
vote for this move. However nothing happened when we released 4.1.4.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4db20d193cc30850e63dc03378a20462d1e5c113e566fffd6c776d1c@%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E


It was somewhat unlucky. We should start to prepare the move. I think it
is okay to do this now. After that we should start with 4.1.7 release
and 4.2.0 release preparations.

We can also start the uno split if Damjan is still in this idea.


Also we need to check on the pull workflow with infra. Any volunteers to
do this?

Any Concerns with this initiative?



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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

So now the rules state I should sign all artifacts. Others may
concatenate their signature if they want. Do we follow this?


No, you need to sign only three files, the three source files. And you 
should remove the existing three corresponding .asc files since multiple 
signatures in the same .asc file are not officially supported. So others 
should not append signatures. All details are in my message.


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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Peter Kovacs
actually I tried to make a clear form and got confused all the way.

Since there is no change in process, please follow the instructions below.

We should have a fixed email for this, maybe we have and I just lacked
the memory to remeber.


So now the rules state I should sign all artifacts. Others may
concatenate their signature if they want. Do we follow this?

On 05.11.18 17:54, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>> In his second vote announcement Peter also specified that to cast a
>> non-binding vote one still had to download and compile the source on
>> ones own machine and then test that binary. This is far over and above
>> anything that has ever been required for a non-binding vote.
>
> Whether a vote is binding or not depends entirely on the role: due to
> legal issues, votes from PMC members are (always) "binding", meaning
> that they are counted separately, even though everyone is welcome to
> vote.
>
> We need to have on record at least three PMC members who built from
> source and tested for the vote to be considered valid. The threshold
> of three is a hard requirement.
>
> While building would be required of other people too, we've
> historically not been very rigid on this, provided that voters in
> general, so both PMC members and people from the community at large,
> simply write (a subset of) what they did.
>
> Summarizing:
>
> - If you, PMC member or not, feel that the release is good enough,
> please do vote and say something "+1; I tested the Italian version on
> MacOS, opened ODF and .docx files, everything was OK" and nobody will
> ask you whether you built from source or not; this is very valuable
> feedback as we would have very limited platform/language coverage
> otherwise.
>
> - In order to close the vote successfully, at least 3 PMC members must
> explicitly write in their statement that they built from source and
> tested their own builds. This ensures we meet the minimum requirements.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Access to Pootle

2018-11-05 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 11/5/2018 12:40 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>> I just checked the user list on the pootle server and indeed there was
>> no e-mail address associated with your account. I added your @apache.org
>> e-mail address to the account. This should allow you to log in with your
>> committer credentials. If you still have problems please reply back to
>> the list and we can investigate further.
> 
> I think (but it is good that you tried, so we can check) that
> @apache.org accounts need not be added to Pootle. Pootle should query
> the local database first and fallback to LDAP (the common @apache.org
> authentication) otherwise. So anyone with a @apache.org account should
> be able to login without explicit creation of an account. If this still
> works, then when creating a local account it's best to avoid @apache.org
> e-mail addresses in order to prevent possible conflicts.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
Andrea;

Thank you for the guidance. As always it is much appreciated.

Regards
Keith




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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Matthias Seidel
Am 05.11.18 um 19:27 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I did correct all sha512 files for the Windows builds, so the ones for
>> macOS and Linux32/64 remain to be updated.
>>
> What needs to be done, exactly?

You are faster than I can explain it... ;-)

Thanks!

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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Jim Jagielski



> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I did correct all sha512 files for the Windows builds, so the ones for
> macOS and Linux32/64 remain to be updated.
> 

What needs to be done, exactly?


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Re: Access to Pootle

2018-11-05 Thread Mechtilde
Hello,

thank you for your action

Kind regards

Mechtilde

Am 05.11.18 um 18:40 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>> I just checked the user list on the pootle server and indeed there was
>> no e-mail address associated with your account. I added your @apache.org
>> e-mail address to the account. This should allow you to log in with your
>> committer credentials. If you still have problems please reply back to
>> the list and we can investigate further.
> 
> I think (but it is good that you tried, so we can check) that
> @apache.org accounts need not be added to Pootle. Pootle should query
> the local database first and fallback to LDAP (the common @apache.org
> authentication) otherwise. So anyone with a @apache.org account should
> be able to login without explicit creation of an account. If this still
> works, then when creating a local account it's best to avoid @apache.org
> e-mail addresses in order to prevent possible conflicts.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows
## Debian Developer
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## PGP encryption welcome
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Re: Access to Pootle

2018-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

I just checked the user list on the pootle server and indeed there was
no e-mail address associated with your account. I added your @apache.org
e-mail address to the account. This should allow you to log in with your
committer credentials. If you still have problems please reply back to
the list and we can investigate further.


I think (but it is good that you tried, so we can check) that 
@apache.org accounts need not be added to Pootle. Pootle should query 
the local database first and fallback to LDAP (the common @apache.org 
authentication) otherwise. So anyone with a @apache.org account should 
be able to login without explicit creation of an account. If this still 
works, then when creating a local account it's best to avoid @apache.org 
e-mail addresses in order to prevent possible conflicts.


Regards,
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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Jim,

Am 03.11.18 um 19:48 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> I'm not exactly sure 100% what needs to be changed... Plus, if we change the 
> names of files, don't we need to ensure that the sourceforge links are 
> correct as well? Has that been looked at?

I assume you are referring to our discussion about the SHA512 files?

Pedro explained it here:

> Actually there is a bigger problem with the SHA512 files for _all_ the 
> binaries in the RC1 folder: they include the folder name
>
> Example
> SHA512(./en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.6_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz)=
>  
> c8caa278fd881be393ad2905ef1c89d5e96710ab4d758c254102b2f9f6fbca21ad9bfba8ef375b13b3d982da0627d195ac40dbd9e7aa10c780b6d2ea6891bcfb
>
> Should be
> SHA512(./Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.6_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz)= 
> c8caa278fd881be393ad2905ef1c89d5e96710ab4d758c254102b2f9f6fbca21ad9bfba8ef375b13b3d982da0627d195ac40dbd9e7aa10c780b6d2ea6891bcfb
>
> Or even easier
>
> c8caa278fd881be393ad2905ef1c89d5e96710ab4d758c254102b2f9f6fbca21ad9bfba8ef375b13b3d982da0627d195ac40dbd9e7aa10c780b6d2ea6891bcfb
>  *Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.6_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
>
> Thanks!
> Pedro
There was a little problem in our script "hash-sign.sh", which is now
solved (hopefully).

I did correct all sha512 files for the Windows builds, so the ones for
macOS and Linux32/64 remain to be updated.

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: Access to Pootle

2018-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Mechtilde wrote:

for doing some Improvments to translations I started with a login to
https://translate.apache.org.
then I choose "Reset my password" with the apache E-Mail adress and with
my normal E-Mail adress. With both adresses I get the message, "this
E-Mail adress isn't asigned to a user account.


Hi Mechtilde, first check your password at http://id.apache.org/ (just 
to be sure that your Apache account is OK).


Then you should be able to login on Pootle, without a password reset, by 
using your Apache username (with or without @apache.org) and your 
existing Apache password.


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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

In his second vote announcement Peter also specified that to cast a
non-binding vote one still had to download and compile the source on
ones own machine and then test that binary. This is far over and above
anything that has ever been required for a non-binding vote.


Whether a vote is binding or not depends entirely on the role: due to 
legal issues, votes from PMC members are (always) "binding", meaning 
that they are counted separately, even though everyone is welcome to vote.


We need to have on record at least three PMC members who built from 
source and tested for the vote to be considered valid. The threshold of 
three is a hard requirement.


While building would be required of other people too, we've historically 
not been very rigid on this, provided that voters in general, so both 
PMC members and people from the community at large, simply write (a 
subset of) what they did.


Summarizing:

- If you, PMC member or not, feel that the release is good enough, 
please do vote and say something "+1; I tested the Italian version on 
MacOS, opened ODF and .docx files, everything was OK" and nobody will 
ask you whether you built from source or not; this is very valuable 
feedback as we would have very limited platform/language coverage otherwise.


- In order to close the vote successfully, at least 3 PMC members must 
explicitly write in their statement that they built from source and 
tested their own builds. This ensures we meet the minimum requirements.


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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Jim Jagielski


> On Nov 5, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> My practice had been to validate the source release and test the Mac 
> releases. To me that was enough.

+1



Re: Access to Pootle

2018-11-05 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 11/5/2018 5:11 AM, Mechtilde wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> for doing some Improvments to translations I started with a login to
> https://translate.apache.org.
> 
> then I choose "Reset my password" with the apache E-Mail adress and with
> my normal E-Mail adress. With both adresses I get the message, "this
> E-Mail adress isn't asigned to a user account.
> 
> Can someon help me?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
Mechtilde;

I just checked the user list on the pootle server and indeed there was
no e-mail address associated with your account. I added your @apache.org
e-mail address to the account. This should allow you to log in with your
committer credentials. If you still have problems please reply back to
the list and we can investigate further.

Regards
Keith McKenna




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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Keith N. McKenna  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/5/2018 1:41 AM, Peter kovacs wrote:
>> Source signing will be done tonight.
>> Thanks Andrea for the detailed line-up.
>> Also I hope all requirements are met in the second mail.
>> However there seems a misunderstanding on Keith side. It is not required to 
>> vote all test marks.
>> It is required to fill in general and then what OS  Version you have tested 
>> and if you have tested from source or not.
>> Simone state in order to create a binding vote it has to be tested from 
>> source.
>> We need 3 of those.
>> Also we should have an overview which Binaries has been reviewed.
> Peter;
> Below are the statements from your second vote thread that had me confused:
>> In order to create a binding vote individuals are REQUIRED to
>> 
>>* download all signed _source code_ packages onto their own hardware,
>> 
>>* verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
>>as described below,
>> 
>>* validate all cryptographic signatures,
>> 
>>* compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
>> 
>> In order to create a normal vote individuals are REQUIRED to
>> 
>>* download all signed _binary_ packages onto their own hardware,
>> 
>>* verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
>>as described below,
>> 
>>* validate all cryptographic signatures,
>> 
>>* compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
>> 
>> 
> Looking at the above through the lens of a newcomer to the project
> wanting to participate in there first vote the description of the
> requirements of a normal vote, as opposed to the binding vote described
> above it vote above it, requires that I download and compile the source.
> If that was not the intention you meant to convey I truly apologize. The
> description of the 2 types of possible votes does created confusion in
> the mind of at least this one individual.

I am confused too. Since I’ve never been able to build 4.1.x on my MacOS (I 
could build 3.4) I guess I can’t make a binding vote and won’t do so.

My practice had been to validate the source release and test the Mac releases. 
To me that was enough.

Good luck.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Regards
> Keith
> 
> 
>> That is all.
>> All the best
>> Peter
>> 
>> Am 5. November 2018 00:22:33 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
>> :
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>> 
 Am 05.11.18 um 00:07 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> On 31/10/2018 Marcus wrote:
> To make it an official vote I miss the following information:
> - What exactly do we vote for (link to the source and binaries)?
 
 Yes please, let's try to be reasonably serious about releases: due to
 legal implications (among other things), there are some formalities
 that are required; nothing more than what we did for any other
>>> Release
 Candidate in history.
 
 I assume we are voting on (this is the only 4.1.6-RC1 available, but
 it needs to be recorded in the vote discussion!)
 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.6-RC1/
 
> - What is the time for the vote? Please more than just the normal 72
> hours so that we all can use a weekend for more testing.
 
 Elsewhere Peter mentioned until Wednesday 7 November but again this
 should be in the vote thread (so, here).
 
 And most important: the Release Manager (Peter) must sign the source
 files. I've just spent a lot of time trying to make sense of various
 ways to have multiple signature in one file, concluding that it is
 easy to do that for a binary signature, but it is a hack to do so for
 the ASCII-armored signatures we use.
 
 So, in short, Peter as the Release Manager should rectify things by:
 
 1) Confirming that the URL and deadline above are correct
 
 2) Replace, before the vote ends, current signatures with only his
 signature as follows:
 
 $ svn checkout
 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.6-RC1/source
 $ rm *.asc
 $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.bz2
 $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.gz
 $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.zip
 $ svn commit
 
 About this second item, I see that Matthias concatenated his
>>> signature
 to Jim's one: this is possible for the binary format but GPG will
 complain if this is done for the ASCII format, and as you can see by
 searching the net there is no clean way to do it. I checked back in
 version 4.1.2 (that was signed by Juergen and me) and I found out
>>> that
 I had simply replaced Juergen's signature with mine in that case (I
 was the Release Manager for 4.1.2). We can do the same this time.
>>> 
>>> I found double signatures in 4.1.3:
>>> https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.3/source/apache-openoffice-4.1.3-r1761381-src.zip.asc
>>> 
>>> But yes, GPG complains about it and will only verify 

Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

2018-11-05 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 11/5/2018 1:41 AM, Peter kovacs wrote:
> Source signing will be done tonight.
> Thanks Andrea for the detailed line-up.
> Also I hope all requirements are met in the second mail.
> However there seems a misunderstanding on Keith side. It is not required to 
> vote all test marks.
> It is required to fill in general and then what OS  Version you have tested 
> and if you have tested from source or not.
> Simone state in order to create a binding vote it has to be tested from 
> source.
> We need 3 of those.
> Also we should have an overview which Binaries has been reviewed.
Peter;
Below are the statements from your second vote thread that had me confused:
> In order to create a binding vote individuals are REQUIRED to
> 
> * download all signed _source code_ packages onto their own hardware,
> 
> * verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
> as described below,
> 
> * validate all cryptographic signatures,
> 
> * compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
> 
> In order to create a normal vote individuals are REQUIRED to
> 
> * download all signed _binary_ packages onto their own hardware,
> 
> * verify that they meet all requirements of ASF policy on releases
> as described below,
> 
> * validate all cryptographic signatures,
> 
> * compile as provided, and test the result on their own platform.
> 
> 
Looking at the above through the lens of a newcomer to the project
wanting to participate in there first vote the description of the
requirements of a normal vote, as opposed to the binding vote described
above it vote above it, requires that I download and compile the source.
If that was not the intention you meant to convey I truly apologize. The
description of the 2 types of possible votes does created confusion in
the mind of at least this one individual.

Regards
Keith


> That is all.
> All the best
> Peter
> 
> Am 5. November 2018 00:22:33 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
> :
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>> Am 05.11.18 um 00:07 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> On 31/10/2018 Marcus wrote:
 To make it an official vote I miss the following information:
 - What exactly do we vote for (link to the source and binaries)?
>>>
>>> Yes please, let's try to be reasonably serious about releases: due to
>>> legal implications (among other things), there are some formalities
>>> that are required; nothing more than what we did for any other
>> Release
>>> Candidate in history.
>>>
>>> I assume we are voting on (this is the only 4.1.6-RC1 available, but
>>> it needs to be recorded in the vote discussion!)
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.6-RC1/
>>>
 - What is the time for the vote? Please more than just the normal 72
 hours so that we all can use a weekend for more testing.
>>>
>>> Elsewhere Peter mentioned until Wednesday 7 November but again this
>>> should be in the vote thread (so, here).
>>>
>>> And most important: the Release Manager (Peter) must sign the source
>>> files. I've just spent a lot of time trying to make sense of various
>>> ways to have multiple signature in one file, concluding that it is
>>> easy to do that for a binary signature, but it is a hack to do so for
>>> the ASCII-armored signatures we use.
>>>
>>> So, in short, Peter as the Release Manager should rectify things by:
>>>
>>> 1) Confirming that the URL and deadline above are correct
>>>
>>> 2) Replace, before the vote ends, current signatures with only his
>>> signature as follows:
>>>
>>> $ svn checkout
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.6-RC1/source
>>> $ rm *.asc
>>> $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.bz2
>>> $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.gz
>>> $ gpg -a -b --digest-algo=SHA512 *.zip
>>> $ svn commit
>>>
>>> About this second item, I see that Matthias concatenated his
>> signature
>>> to Jim's one: this is possible for the binary format but GPG will
>>> complain if this is done for the ASCII format, and as you can see by
>>> searching the net there is no clean way to do it. I checked back in
>>> version 4.1.2 (that was signed by Juergen and me) and I found out
>> that
>>> I had simply replaced Juergen's signature with mine in that case (I
>>> was the Release Manager for 4.1.2). We can do the same this time.
>>
>> I found double signatures in 4.1.3:
>> https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.3/source/apache-openoffice-4.1.3-r1761381-src.zip.asc
>>
>> But yes, GPG complains about it and will only verify the first. So
>> Peter's signature should be the only one...
>>
>> (Of course he could also use our hash-sign.sh, which is fixed now for
>> SHA512).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   Andrea.
>>>
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2018-11-05 Thread Mechtilde
Hello,

for doing some Improvments to translations I started with a login to
https://translate.apache.org.

then I choose "Reset my password" with the apache E-Mail adress and with
my normal E-Mail adress. With both adresses I get the message, "this
E-Mail adress isn't asigned to a user account.

Can someon help me?

Kind regards

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