[RELEASE]: Beta downloads and feedback and a proposed way to the final

2014-03-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi,

we have already 92,000 Beta downloads via SF, I can't say exactly how
many full install sets and how many of them are language packs only. But
I think the number is quite good we should be able to find serious
problems if only 50% use the beta for some real testing under normal
work conditions. But I don't know ...

For now I haven't seen really serious problems which of course is good
but maybe I have overseen something. Anyway if we don't get serious
issues until March 30th I plan to prepare and provide the first final RC
on the 31th. The vote will start immediately after the upload ...

The idea is to have the AOO 4.1 is place for the ApacheCon (7.-.11.
April) or even better announce it during the ApacheCon.

Any opinions on this plan?

Juergen

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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 12.03.2014 21:15, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

Hi,

Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer


I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I
read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try.


Issue 124343:
This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].

Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.


This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all
webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully.


Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website
bold?


No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style.


Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
Should we make all heading italic or larger?


Again no. ;-)



Such a feedback does not help as you only say no, no, no, ... without 
any alternative suggestion :-)



I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think
about the formatting.

What do you think?


Hm. We have issue 124343 for the formatting and issue 124400 for the 
content.
Changing the words of a heading will not improve its visibility. Thus, I 
think that these issues can be treated separately.



Best regards, Oliver.




Issue 124400:
I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.


OK


Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.


[1]
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css


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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 12.03.2014 17:35, Kay Schenk wrote:


On 03/12/2014 04:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer


Issue 124343:
This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].

Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.
Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website
bold?
Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
Should we make all heading italic or larger?


Issue 124400:
I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.
Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.


[1]
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css


Best regards, Oliver.


Rainer has a point. I remember at one time that h3 (probably the main
concern here) used to display as described in styles.css

h3.subSection{font-style:italic;text-transform:uppercase;font-size:1.3em;font-weight:bold;}


I'm not sure what's changed to produce what's happening now.

css/ooo.css is the default supplied by Apache CMS but our local style
sheets, also brought in, should override this. (And, yes, they are a bit
of a mess!)

Well I can help with this but I'm not what the processing order is now.



Thanks for the offer to help here.
I used Firefox's build-in Inspector and Style Editor (Menu Tools - Web 
Developer - Inspector|Style Editor) to investigate the used styling.


Best regards, Oliver.



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Re: [RELEASE]: Beta downloads and feedback and a proposed way to the final

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 13.03.2014 09:30, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

Hi,

we have already 92,000 Beta downloads via SF, I can't say exactly how
many full install sets and how many of them are language packs only. But
I think the number is quite good we should be able to find serious
problems if only 50% use the beta for some real testing under normal
work conditions. But I don't know ...

For now I haven't seen really serious problems which of course is good
but maybe I have overseen something. Anyway if we don't get serious
issues until March 30th I plan to prepare and provide the first final RC
on the 31th. The vote will start immediately after the upload ...

The idea is to have the AOO 4.1 is place for the ApacheCon (7.-.11.
April) or even better announce it during the ApacheCon.

Any opinions on this plan?



+1

Since two days I am reviewing the Bugzilla issues which had been 
submitted since the availability of the AOO 4.1.0 Beta. Until now, I did 
not observe any serious issue.



Best regards, Oliver.


Juergen

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Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Andre Fischer
I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild 
and main/writerperfect


- splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some 
sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild 
depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it 
is not used in any of our builds.


- writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only 
module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
  = There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format 
(application/vnd.writerperfect).
  = There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would trigger 
the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and 
scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is 
never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.



Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?

Regards,
Andre



[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_Environment_Effort/Split_Build

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Re: Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/13/14 9:46 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
 I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild
 and main/writerperfect
 
 - splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some
 sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
 It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild
 depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it
 is not used in any of our builds.
 
 - writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only
 module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
   = There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format
 (application/vnd.writerperfect).
   = There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would trigger
 the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and
 scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is
 never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.
 
 
 Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?

no but +1 for removing

Juergen


 
 Regards,
 Andre
 
 
 
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openoffice.lst, can wJRE be deleted?

2014-03-13 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi all

In openoffice.lst there is still a configuration for the with JRE build. We 
have anymor Builds with JRE, and I doubt that we will have in future. The 
license of Java is not ALv2 compatible, right. So the question is, can we 
delete this part?

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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400

2014-03-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 03/13/2014 01:08 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:


Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

  Hi,


Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer



I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I
read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try.



Well this one particular stylesheet is a holdover from the old days, so
it's rather needlessly complex.


We have the ooo.css and on some pages also the styles.css. And then 
somethimes the exceptions.css to make exceptions to the general 
styling. Yes, pretty complex. ;-)


I'm not guru enough to explain roughly the details how it works. I need 
to dig in deeper.



...and it looks like I erred in my reference since theh3  in the
installation instructions stands alone and not in a subsection. At any
rate, at one time it was italicized -- now it's not, and I don't see any
changes to this stylesheet file in a long time, so it's a puzzle to me.

I am also working on some html changes currently (cleanup of a pdf to html
for publication) , so I will have a look as well over the next few days.


For me it's OK if you want to take over to improve the styling.

Marcus




  Issue 124343:

This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].

Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.



This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages.
This needs to be treated very carefully.


  Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold?




No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style.


  Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?

Should we make all heading italic or larger?



Again no. ;-)

I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about
the formatting.

What do you think?


  Issue 124400:

I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.



OK


  Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.



[1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/
css/ooo.css



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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400

2014-03-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 03/13/2014 09:36 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

Hi,

On 12.03.2014 21:15, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

Hi,

Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer


I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I
read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try.


Issue 124343:
This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].

Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.


This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all
webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully.


Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website
bold?


No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style.


Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
Should we make all heading italic or larger?


Again no. ;-)



Such a feedback does not help as you only say no, no, no, ... without
any alternative suggestion :-)


I'm sorry when you expected some code or else. But without looking 
closer into the CSS styling I wouldn't do anything.



I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think
about the formatting.


BTW:
This was my suggestion. Maybe you have overlooked it. ;-)


What do you think?


Hm. We have issue 124343 for the formatting and issue 124400 for the
content.
Changing the words of a heading will not improve its visibility. Thus, I
think that these issues can be treated separately.


https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124400
Website: Installation guides: Headings do not look like headings

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124343
Website: Bugzilla documentation: Headings do not look like headings

For me it's the same - just 2 different websites. I've adjusted the 
issue summaries.


Marcus




Issue 124400:
I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.


OK


Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.


[1]
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css


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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website : wrong download link

2014-03-13 Thread Alois Schatzl
The download link for version 4.0.1 in 
http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/index.html leads to the setup of 
version 4.1.0 BETA.

Result: I wanted to download 4.0.1 and got 4.1.0 BETA installed.

Greetings
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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400

2014-03-13 Thread Kay Schenk


On 03/13/2014 01:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 03/13/2014 01:08 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de
wrote:


Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

  Hi,


Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs
improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer



I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I
read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try.



Well this one particular stylesheet is a holdover from the old days, so
it's rather needlessly complex.


We have the ooo.css and on some pages also the styles.css. And then
somethimes the exceptions.css to make exceptions to the general
styling. Yes, pretty complex. ;-)


and don't forget home.css for styling on the home page only! :)



I'm not guru enough to explain roughly the details how it works. I need
to dig in deeper.


...and it looks like I erred in my reference since theh3  in the
installation instructions stands alone and not in a subsection. At any
rate, at one time it was italicized -- now it's not, and I don't see any
changes to this stylesheet file in a long time, so it's a puzzle to me.

I am also working on some html changes currently (cleanup of a pdf to
html
for publication) , so I will have a look as well over the next few days.


For me it's OK if you want to take over to improve the styling.

Marcus


I will help. But I may not be able to get to much until early next week.

We should probably not edit /css/ooo.css.

I will likely make changes to our main stylsheet -- styles.css.

We do need help with heading differentiation and this should be pretty 
simple.







  Issue 124343:

This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].

Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.



This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all
webpages.
This needs to be treated very carefully.


  Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our
website bold?




No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style.


  Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?

Should we make all heading italic or larger?



Again no. ;-)

I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think
about
the formatting.

What do you think?


  Issue 124400:

I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.



OK


  Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.



[1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/
css/ooo.css



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Re: openoffice.lst, can wJRE be deleted?

2014-03-13 Thread Kay Schenk



On 03/13/2014 06:49 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Hi all

In openoffice.lst there is still a configuration for the with JRE build. We 
have anymor Builds with JRE, and I doubt that we will have in future. The 
license of Java is not ALv2 compatible, right. So the question is, can we 
delete this part?

Greetings Raphael


I would think so unless others have a different opinion.


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Re: Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Kay Schenk


On 03/13/2014 01:46 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild
and main/writerperfect

- splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some
sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild
depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it
is not used in any of our builds.

- writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only
module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
   = There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format
(application/vnd.writerperfect).
   = There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would trigger
the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and
scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is
never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.


This has to do with the processing of Word Perfect files, right?
If we remove this module would this capability no longer exist?




Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?

Regards,
Andre



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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website : wrong download link

2014-03-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 03/13/2014 09:50 PM, schrieb Alois Schatzl:

The download link for version 4.0.1 in
http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/index.html leads to the setup of
version 4.1.0 BETA.
Result: I wanted to download 4.0.1 and got 4.1.0 BETA installed.


Thanks for the hint. I've enhanced the German webpage to offer the Beta 
Release additionally.


I'm sorry that you got the wrong version. With a new download attempt 
you should now get AOO 4.0.1.


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problem downloading last version

2014-03-13 Thread Jorge Pavón Fernández
I tried Trying to download the latest Spanish OO version 4.0.1 but the 
installer keeps saying it's beta 
4.1.0http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/milestones/4.1.0-beta/binaries/es/Apache_OpenOffice_Beta_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_es.exe/download?use_mirror=optimater=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fes%2Fdescargar%2F%3Futm_source%3DOOo3_3_es%26utm_medium%3DClient%26utm_campaign%3DUpgradeuse_mirror=optimate
nevertheless I finally found the right version 
at:http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
I hope this report helps!
Jorge 

Re: Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 03/13/2014 01:46 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

 I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild
 and main/writerperfect

 - splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some
 sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
 It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild
 depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it
 is not used in any of our builds.

 - writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only
 module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
= There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format
 (application/vnd.writerperfect).
= There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would trigger
 the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and
 scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is
 never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.


 This has to do with the processing of Word Perfect files, right?
 If we remove this module would this capability no longer exist?


The support for WordPerfect files was already removed in 3.4.0, for
security reasons as well as license issues.  What we're talking about
here is some related code that is not currently being used.

-Rob





 Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?

 Regards,
 Andre



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Re: Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On Mar 13, 2014 5:39 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 03/13/2014 01:46 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
 
  I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild
  and main/writerperfect
 
  - splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some
  sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
  It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild
  depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it
  is not used in any of our builds.
 
  - writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only
  module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
 = There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format
  (application/vnd.writerperfect).
 = There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would
trigger
  the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and
  scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is
  never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.
 
 
  This has to do with the processing of Word Perfect files, right?
  If we remove this module would this capability no longer exist?
 

 The support for WordPerfect files was already removed in 3.4.0, for
 security reasons as well as license issues.  What we're talking about
 here is some related code that is not currently being used.

 -Rob

OK. An awareness issue on my part, although I don't see anything in the
release notes for either 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 about this. There is info on the
forums about the removal for licensing issues, however.

So, it makes sense to remove this code.



 
 
 
  Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?
 
  Regards,
  Andre
 
 
 
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openoffice4 not recognize different fonts

2014-03-13 Thread panghon...@163.com
Hi,

openoffice4 not recognize different Chinese fonts, but libreoffice4 can 
identify. Annex word document.

thanks.
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Re: Proposal to delete unused modules

2014-03-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mar 13, 2014 5:39 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 03/13/2014 01:46 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
 
  I would like to propose to delete two unused modules: main/splitbuild
  and main/writerperfect
 
  - splitbuild looks like a collection of files that drive (drove) some
  sort of build script to build selected parts of OpenOffice.
  It may or may not be related to what is described in [1]. splitbuild
  depends on postprocess but nothing depends on splitbuild, therefore it
  is not used in any of our builds.
 
  - writerperfect is a second module that is not used anymore.  The only
  module that depends on writerperfect is splitbuild.
 = There are some references in sysui to the wpf file format
  (application/vnd.writerperfect).
 = There is a configure switch --with-system-libwpd.  It would
 trigger
  the building of library libwpft, which is referenced in postprocess and
  scp2, but without a dependency on module writerperfect this library is
  never built and using --with-system-libwpd could only lead to an error.
 
 
  This has to do with the processing of Word Perfect files, right?
  If we remove this module would this capability no longer exist?
 

 The support for WordPerfect files was already removed in 3.4.0, for
 security reasons as well as license issues.  What we're talking about
 here is some related code that is not currently being used.

 -Rob

 OK. An awareness issue on my part, although I don't see anything in the
 release notes for either 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 about this. There is info on the
 forums about the removal for licensing issues, however.


The security issue related to WPD files was here:

http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-2149.html

-Rob


 So, it makes sense to remove this code.



 
 
 
  Does anybody know of any reason not to delete the two modules?
 
  Regards,
  Andre
 
 
 
  [1]
 https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_Environment_Effort/Split_Build
 
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