Re: need some feedback on source code page changes on project site...
On 2/6/20 12:16 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Kay, Am 06.02.20 um 21:12 schrieb Kay Schenk: Hello all-- The information on obtaining and using source code is outdated on the project site -- https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html Oh yes, this is very much needed. Thanks for taking that task! I've made changes and attached the .html conversion of my changed .mdtext file here. This is not committed yet. Unfortunately attachments are stripped on the mailing list. Can you provide it through some other way? Regards, Matthias Hi Matthias -- Try here: http://home.apache.org/~kschenk/AOO_project_site/source.html I would appreciate some feedback before I commit this. Thanks. -- Regards, Kay - To unsubscribe, e-mail:dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: need some feedback on source code page changes on project site...
I am planning to attempt a check out and build using the instructions. I'll wait until the changes are committed, so my build serves as a test case. On 2/6/2020 12:12 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Hello all-- The information on obtaining and using source code is outdated on the project site -- https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html I've made changes and attached the .html conversion of my changed .mdtext file here. This is not committed yet. I would appreciate some feedback before I commit this. Thanks. -- Regards, Kay - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: need some feedback on source code page changes on project site...
Hi Kay, Am 06.02.20 um 21:12 schrieb Kay Schenk: > > Hello all-- > > The information on obtaining and using source code is outdated on the > project site -- > > https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html > Oh yes, this is very much needed. Thanks for taking that task! > > I've made changes and attached the .html conversion of my changed > .mdtext file here. This is not committed yet. > Unfortunately attachments are stripped on the mailing list. Can you provide it through some other way? Regards, Matthias > I would appreciate some feedback before I commit this. Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Kay > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
need some feedback on source code page changes on project site...
Hello all-- The information on obtaining and using source code is outdated on the project site -- https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html I've made changes and attached the .html conversion of my changed .mdtext file here. This is not committed yet. I would appreciate some feedback before I commit this. Thanks. -- Regards, Kay - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Letter page size in Writer sidebar
Hi Kay, Am 06.02.20 um 18:50 schrieb Kay Schenk: > > On 2/5/20 2:59 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Michelle, >> >> Am 05.02.20 um 23:02 schrieb Michele Denber: >>> On 02-05-2020 4:03 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi all, While working on the Writer sidebar I discovered that page size "Letter" and "Legal" have no graphic like e.g. "A4". Unfortunately there is not much space, so I would like to abbreviate Letter with Ltr (and Legal with Lgl): https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Letter%20size.pdf As a non native speaking person I would like to hear some opinions about that. >>> As a native English speaking person, I'd have no problem with that. I >>> think anyone would understand the intended meaning. >> Thank you for your input. It is much appreciated! >> >> I have seen LTR on paper trays for printers. >> As space is limited I did hope that it would still be understandable. > > Thanks for noticing this omission and proposing a correction. I think > LTR and LGL would be better than "Ltr" and "Lgl". I think the mixed > case may not be as clearly understood by some users. I second your thoughts, but there is not enough space for uppercase letters. I tried it with reduced font size, but that does not produce better optic. Regards, Matthias > > -- Kay > >> >> I would like to get that into the next version... >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> - Michele >>> >>> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Letter page size in Writer sidebar
On 2/5/20 2:59 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Michelle, Am 05.02.20 um 23:02 schrieb Michele Denber: On 02-05-2020 4:03 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi all, While working on the Writer sidebar I discovered that page size "Letter" and "Legal" have no graphic like e.g. "A4". Unfortunately there is not much space, so I would like to abbreviate Letter with Ltr (and Legal with Lgl): https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Letter%20size.pdf As a non native speaking person I would like to hear some opinions about that. As a native English speaking person, I'd have no problem with that. I think anyone would understand the intended meaning. Thank you for your input. It is much appreciated! I have seen LTR on paper trays for printers. As space is limited I did hope that it would still be understandable. Thanks for noticing this omission and proposing a correction. I think LTR and LGL would be better than "Ltr" and "Lgl". I think the mixed case may not be as clearly understood by some users. -- Kay I would like to get that into the next version... Regards, Matthias - Michele - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Letter page size in Writer sidebar
Hi Pedro, The main "problem" was that in localizations with Letter as default we only had a blank page there. Since I already reworked all graphics this is a small enhancement "on top". In fact I have everything ready and plan to commit it tomorrow (on all branches). As usual I will do test builds for Windows in the following days. Regards, Matthias Am 06.02.20 um 17:30 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque: > Hi Mathias, > > I see what you mean, I wasn't looking at the 'icons'. Thank you. > > Regards, > Pedro A. > > Em 06/02/2020 às 11:59, Matthias Seidel escreveu: >> Hi Pedro, >> >> Am 06.02.20 um 07:57 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Why not just place that on a tooltip? If I'm seeing this right, it's what >>> happens with 'Envelope C5': >>> https://web.tresorit.com/l#zjwQyTYwMcJQ0JXGWvhnmA >> This is what already happens with Letter and Legal... >> >> But that's not the point I am talking about... >> (Just look at my linked PDF) >> >>> Besides, I think the size would also fit on the available space... >> Try it and post a mockup. ;-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> Regards, >>> Pedro >>> >>> >>> Em 05/02/2020 às 21:03, Matthias Seidel > escreveu: Hi all, While working on the Writer sidebar I discovered that page size "Letter" and "Legal" have no graphic like e.g. "A4". Unfortunately there is not much space, so I would like to abbreviate Letter with Ltr (and Legal with Lgl): https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Letter%20size.pdf As a non native speaking person I would like to hear some opinions about that. Regards, Matthias >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: Letter page size in Writer sidebar
Hi Mathias, I see what you mean, I wasn't looking at the 'icons'. Thank you. Regards, Pedro A. Em 06/02/2020 às 11:59, Matthias Seidel escreveu: >Hi Pedro, > >Am 06.02.20 um 07:57 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque: >> Hi, >> >> Why not just place that on a tooltip? If I'm seeing this right, it's what >> happens with 'Envelope C5': >> https://web.tresorit.com/l#zjwQyTYwMcJQ0JXGWvhnmA > >This is what already happens with Letter and Legal... > >But that's not the point I am talking about... >(Just look at my linked PDF) > >> Besides, I think the size would also fit on the available space... > >Try it and post a mockup. ;-) > >Regards, > > Matthias > >> >> Regards, >> Pedro >> >> >> Em 05/02/2020 às 21:03, Matthias Seidel escreveu: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> While working on the Writer sidebar I discovered that page size "Letter" >>> and "Legal" have no graphic like e.g. "A4". >>> Unfortunately there is not much space, so I would like to abbreviate >>> Letter with Ltr (and Legal with Lgl): >>> >>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Letter%20size.pdf >>> >>> As a non native speaking person I would like to hear some opinions about >>> that. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
How our project recently works
Hello, I would like to tell you (just as an example) about a few things in which I was and am at best peripherally involved: The primary purpose of the described acts was to provide developers and other commiters to make the work of contributors easier: 1. We moved our version control system from subversion to git. This is seen by all developers as a great improvement even by those who were initially skeptical. 2. The pootle server for the translations was fixed and a technical process developed to provide the translators continuously with strings to be translated and to integrate continuously translations into the code. 3. Building Apache OpenOffice is anything but trivial. Matthias currently has the Windows build under control and accompanied in close contact with the maintainer the OS/2 port. Jim takes currently care the Mac and Linux builds Pedro finally covers the BSD area. Mechtilde successfully tries to support AOO also under Debian GNU/Linux to build with younger compiler and library versions (just as a precaution: building according to Debian guidelines is currently not possible). This work is also seminal for other distributions. Mechtilde also needs this instance for her work in technical support for the translation process (see 2.). All this work was "spontaneously" was done by interested volunteers without a project manager, a steering committee, a Scrum master or a project planning. There waere also neither Sprints, nor deadlines. One person started a task and then others collaborated and continued the work. The coordination among the participants is usually informal. If Andrea, Matthias, Mechtilde and Peter are sitting at FOSDEM in the cafeteria at a table, they don't talk about the weather or the qualities Belgian beers, but of course about what they are currently doing and plan to do. Organizing meetings with physical presence would be difficult and expensive. In fact, the people involved are spread over three continents (North and South America once as separate continents considered). Coordination is done over channels of the internet (which is difficult enough because of the time zones). The European ones, in particular the German participants also meet frequently the various events. And when Mechtilde and I are in Hamburg of course Markus and Matthias and mostly others are informed. The only exception to the rule of informal cooperation in the above examples was the changeover to git (see 1.). Here a vote of the PMC was needed because involving Apache Infra and because it was a migration away from software of another Apache project. Apache OpenOffice has the advantage that the vast majority of developers use software themselves and mostly are in contact with other users. Of course we also think iintensively (and talk) about, how we can broaden the developer base in a sustainable way. The IMO most promising suggestion has recently come from Patricia, who suggested, with very good reason, to draw attention of C++ developers to our project. But until the seed of this idea can bring fruits, it inevitably takes time. Those who are active in the project receive no remuneration and work voluntary. Usually they spend money to commit. They are enthusiastics and this is IMO the best prerequisite to inspire others. I don't want to "cheer" our project. It's aware to everyone I know, that our project is in a precarious situation - and that not just since yesterday. But these circumstances do not only severely limit our opportunities, but also open up opportunities for each individual - to try out and prove themselves in interesting tasks. Our "bus factor" [0] is unfortunately, as everyone is aware, small. Therefore newcomers are "welcomed with open arms" by all. Because of the situation, everyone is also constantly thinking about how processes can be improved and the work can be made more efficient. The above examples may be taken as evidence of this. Greeting Michael [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor P.S.: Most of the text was translated by DeepL, my english is much poorer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Letter page size in Writer sidebar
Hi Pedro, Am 06.02.20 um 07:57 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque: > Hi, > > Why not just place that on a tooltip? If I'm seeing this right, it's what > happens with 'Envelope C5': > https://web.tresorit.com/l#zjwQyTYwMcJQ0JXGWvhnmA This is what already happens with Letter and Legal... But that's not the point I am talking about... (Just look at my linked PDF) > Besides, I think the size would also fit on the available space... Try it and post a mockup. ;-) Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Pedro > > > Em 05/02/2020 às 21:03, Matthias Seidel escreveu: >> Hi all, >> >> While working on the Writer sidebar I discovered that page size "Letter" >> and "Legal" have no graphic like e.g. "A4". >> Unfortunately there is not much space, so I would like to abbreviate >> Letter with Ltr (and Legal with Lgl): >> >> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Letter%20size.pdf >> >> As a non native speaking person I would like to hear some opinions about >> that. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Wie unser Projekt derzeit funktioniert, war: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2020
Hallo, ich möchte einmal (lediglich exemplarisch) von ein paar Dingen berichten, an denen ich bestenfalls peripher beteiligt war und bin: Dabei ging es in erster Linie darum, Entwicklern und anderen Beitragenden die Arbeit zu erleichtern: 1. Wir haben unser Versionskontrollsystem von Subversion auf git umgestellt. Dies wird von allen Entwicklern als eine große Verbesserung betrachtet und zwar auch von denen, die zunächst skeptisch waren. 2. Der Pootle-Server für die Übersetzungen wurde instand gesetzt und ein technischer Prozess entwickelt, um zu übersetzende Strings kontinuierlich den Übersetzern zur Verfügung zu stellen und Übersetzungen kontinuierlich in den Code zu integrieren. 3. Apache OpenOffice zu bauen, ist alles andere als trivial. Matthias hat derzeit die Windows-Build im Griff und begleitet in engem Kontakt mit dem dortigen Maintainer die OS/2-Portierung. Um die Mac- und Linux-Builds kümmert sich derzeit Jim. Pedro schließlich deckt den BSD-Bereich ab. Mechtilde bemüht sich mit Erfolg, AOO auch unter Debian GNU/Linux mit jüngeren Compiler- und Bibliotheksversionen zu bauen (nur vorsorglich: an ein Bauen nach Debian-Richtlinien ist derzeit nicht zu denken). Diese Arbeit ist auch wegweisend für andere Distributionen. Mechtilde braucht diese Instanz auch für ihre Arbeiten im Rahmen der technischen Betreuung des Übersetzungsprozesses (s. u. 2.). Alle diese Arbeiten wurden "spontan" von interessierten Freiwilligen in Angriff genommen, ohne dass ein Projektleiter, ein Lenkungskomitee, ein Scrum-Master oder nur eine Projektplanung existierte. Es gab auch weder Sprints, noch Deadlines. Diese Aufgaben wurden insofern gemeinsam bewältigt, als dass sie einer anfing und dann andere mit- und weitermachten. Die Abstimmung unter den Beteiligten läuft in der Regel informell. Wenn Andrea, Matthias, Mechtilde und Peter auf der FOSDEM in der Cafeteria an einem Tisch sitzen, reden sie nicht über das Wetter oder die Qualitäten belgischer Biere, sondern natürlich über das, was sie derzeit tun und vorhaben. Treffen mit physischer Anwesenheit zu organisieren wäre auch schwierig zu und kostspielig. Die zu Beteiligenden sind nämlich über drei Kontinente (Nord- und Südamerika einmal als separate Kontinente betrachtet) verteilt. Man stimmt ich halt über Kanäle des Internet ab (was wegen der Zeitzonen schon schwierig genug ist). Die europäischen, insbesondere die deutschen Beteiligten treffen sich auch häufiger auf den verschiedenen Events. Und wenn Mechtilde und ich in Hamburg sind, werden natürlich Markus und Matthias und meist auch andere informiert. Die einzige Ausnahme von der Regel informeller Zusammenarbeit war bei den genannten Beispielen die Umstellung auf git (s. u. 1.). Hier bedurfte es einer Abstimmung im PMC, weil Apache-Infra zu involvieren war und weil es um eine Migration weg von der Software eines anderen Apache-Projektes ging. Apache OpenOffice hat den Vorzug, dass die allermeisten Entwickler die Software selber nutzen und meist in Kontakt zu anderen Nutzern stehen. Natürlich machen wir uns auch recht intensiv Gedanken (und tauschen sie aus), wie wir die Entwicklerbasis nachhaltig verbreitern können. Der IMO erfolgversprechendste Vorschlag kam hierzu in letzter Zeit von Patricia, die mit sehr guter Begründung vorschlug, pensionierte C++-Entwickler auf unser Projekt aufmerksam zu machen. Aber bis der Same dieser Idee Früchte tragen kann, dauert es zwangsläufig etwas. Die im Projekt Aktiven erhalten keine Entlohnung und sind freiwillig ehrenamtlich tätig. In der Regel "bringen sie Geld mit". Sie sind Begeisterte und das ist IMO die beste Voraussetzung, auch andere zu begeistern. Ich will unser Projekt nicht "hochjubeln". Es ist allen, die ich kenne, bewusst, dass unser Projekt in einer prekären Situation ist - und das nicht erst seit gestern. Aber das beschränkt nicht nur stark unsere Möglichkeiten, sondern eröffnet auch jedem einzelnen Chancen - vor allem sich an interessanten Aufgaben zu erproben und zu bewähren. Unser "Bus-Faktor" [0] ist leider, was jedem bewusst ist, klein. Daher werden Neue von allen "mit offenen Armen empfangen". Aufgrund der Situation überlegt auch jeder immer wieder, wie Prozesse verbessert und die Arbeit effizienter gestaltet werden kann. Die vorgenannten Beispiele mögen als Beleg hierfür aufgefasst werden. Gruß Michael [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_Number signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
