Re: OS2 code

[Steve Lubbs]

Hi Marcus,

To begin with the use of the phrase "third-party port" in this context 
indicates to me that a coding/testing activity is required to support 
the target of the port which is not being done by the AOO project.


Here are the statements on the page (that may need to be modified) that 
indicate to me that the AOO project does not currently support OS2. 
Bolded, underlined, and in red.


**

_*Apache OpenOffice (AOO) is a productivity suite which is already 
*__*officially available for the following platforms 
*__*: *_


_**_

 * _*Windows - XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 (32-bit)*_
 * _*Linux - RPM / DEB-based (32-bit and 64-bit)*_
 * _*MacOS X (Intel) - 10.4 (Tiger) up to 10.15 (Catalina)*_

** This tells me that OS2 is not supported by the AOO project.

**

**


 Apache OpenOffice - Third-Party ports and distributions

The following list of third-party ports and distributions is made 
available as a service to the community. _*The Apache OpenOffice project 
does not officially endorse or maintain these packages.*_ If you have a 
port or distribution that you want to be listed here please send the 
details to our public mailing list .


** This indicates to me that that ports to unsupported platforms are the 
responsibility of those engaging in the process of porting and that 
those third parties presumably outside of the AOO project.


**

**

 *


 Apache OpenOffice for OS/2
 

   _*A port to *__*OS/2 *__*by *__*Yuri
   Dario *__*and *__*bww bitwise works GmbH
   *__*. *_

** This tells who the third party doing the port is.

**

So it seems that OS2 is not supported by the AOO project. I assume that 
the AOO project is not updating the OS2 code. So a porting organization 
would need to make changes to the OS2 code that existed at the time OS2 
was last supported. It would make sense then that they would have their 
own forked instance of the OS2 code that they were updating as changes 
to the non-OS2 code occurred. So, OS2 is not supported by the AOO 
project and the code required to support a port is available in earlier 
versions of the AOO code.


This is my reasoning. I'm just wondering if the AOO team should consider 
performing a cleanup of code that is unused by the project. Of course 
it's true that I don't know if any policy covers this. That's why I'm 
asking.




On 1/10/21 7:29 AM, Marcus wrote:
Steve, when you think that the text on [1] leads to the impression 
that AOO for OS/2 is dead maybe something with the wording is wrong.


So, please let us rethink to update the webpage to eleminate this 
impression.


[1] https://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html

Thanks

Marcus



Am 10.01.21 um 01:25 schrieb Steve Lubbs:

Thanks for correcting me. :-[

On 1/9/21 3:43 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Where did you get the idea from? ;-)

AOO 4.1.8 is released for OS/2 and OS/2 based systems:

https://www.bitwiseworks.com/products/ports.php#AOO

I am running it in a VM on ArcaOS 5.

https://www.arcanoae.com/

Am 09.01.21 um 23:40 schrieb Steve Lubbs:

According to this page, https://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html,
OS2 is no longer supported. Isn't it time we remove the OS2-specific
code from the code base? BTW, OS2 was my favorite OS back in the day.



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Re: AOO 4.1.9 Info

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 13/01/2021 Carl Marcum wrote:

On 1/10/21 4:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
and, still on the wiki, there is also a more complete dump of the 
former Testlink cases that I cannot find right now.

Maybe these?
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/


Indeed, thanks! To be precise, the first link on that page leads you to
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/ManualTesting/
which is the "dump of former Testlink cases" I referred to. So it's not 
on the Wiki; it is on the main website.


I notice that some like
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/ManualTesting/AOOTest-107_PureText-Character_Color.html
have a notice saying "Execution Type: Automated" and there is a filename 
for an "Automation script" in Java but I doubt this has anything to do 
with the automated tests you refer to. I honestly have no idea where the 
Java files can be.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Bugzilla: create account link missing

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 17.01.21 um 16:16 schrieb Bidouille:
> On main page, Bugzilla don't provide any direct hyperlink to create an 
> account.
We had to disable user account creation because of too much spam.
>
> Note that "Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla User's Guide"[1] link returns to 
> an unexist page.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/5.0/using.html

Thanks, this should indeed be:

https://bugzilla.readthedocs.io/en/5.0/using/

I am not sure if we can change that or if we need to create a ticket
with Infra.

Regards,

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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 10/01/2021 Peter Kovacs wrote:

On 10.01.21 23:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
But we should also be more proactive and remove people when they ask 
for it on the list: Whimsy https://whimsy.apache.org/ ...

The moderators are Patricia, Andrea and Marcus.


I confirm that indeed I use Whimsy to help people unsubscribe the 
recruitment list when their intention is clear and when they are 
confused about how to do it. I hope the new footer will help limit these 
cases.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Pilot-Pirx commented on pull request #1:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/pull/1#issuecomment-761868165


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Bugzilla: create account link missing

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On main page, Bugzilla don't provide any direct hyperlink to create an account.

Note that "Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla User's Guide"[1] link returns to an 
unexist page.

[1] https://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/5.0/using.html

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Re: Bootstrap Problem in OpenOffice.Org 4.1.8 Installation

[Arrigo Marchiori]

Dear Hao Wang,

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:47:06AM +, Hao Wang wrote:

> Dear Developers,
>
> I got stuck with the './bootstrap' part of installation when the
> script tried to download mythes. Is it possible to download and
> install all the packages outside of the bootstrap script using other
> installation repository ?

External dependencies are listed in file main/external_deps.lst
You should be able to understand the syntax easily, for the bits that
are interesting for you.

In particular, the file you are having problems with should be
downloaded from:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hunspell/files/MyThes/1.2.0/mythes-1.2.0.tar.gz

Files are saved into directory ext_sources and are renamed, adding
their MD5 checksum before the actual name.
That file must thus be saved as 
ext_sources/067201ea8b126597670b5eff72e1f66c-mythes-1.2.0.tar.gz

If you know Perl, and wanted to debug into the problem, the
responsible script is
main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,
-- 
Arrigo

http://rigo.altervista.org

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Re: [discussion] rename the recruitment list

[Arrigo Marchiori]

Hello Peter, All,

because everyone (else) seems to agree on volunteer@ please note it's
fine for me. Please do _not_ consider my vote for recruitment@ as a
veto (in case you were in doubt :-).

Now to Peter's reply.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:29:28PM +0100, Peter Kovacs wrote:

> Hi Arrigo
> 
> I like the Idea to post Tasks onto Recruitment. I will try this.
> 
> However, I try tried to give people tasks that were signing on, and it never
> worked out.
> 
> Maybe I am a bad recruiter. I leave that to other peoples decision. You can
> read my posts on recruitment and what I tried.
> 
> I have mostly wrote stuff like this here:
> 
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0a16093227325324ea57fb07cf8e08a7902c0f365792c14065de88ac%40%3Crecruitment.openoffice.apache.org%3E
> 
> As an answer when someone posted interest.
> 
> I have asked people to talk to me, and figure what they can do and tried to
> give them a choice of Issues. Even look for more if they are not interested.
> 
> But in the end, I could recruit no one. So I would like to change tactics.
> And one thought I have is that a lot of people think that ASF is a Company,
> or they do not differ between ASF and a Company. OpenOffice is also only a
> product to them, and not a project.

Thank you for sharing this information.

First of all, I am happy to see that you tried. I cannot say wether
you are a good or a bad recruiter, because I have no experience of
recruiting free software contributors. But I really appreciate your
effort.

> We have mostly Issues. Crashes, out dated stuff. Boring maintenance. There
> are only 2 topics for features. That is OOXML and ODF 1.3.

Well... maintenance has kept me busy so far, and I personally enjoy
fixing bugs. I think it's a good starting point for newcomers to get
accustomed to the huge code base, one piece at a time. I am still
learning, of course.

On the other hand, before someone could help with the two features you
pointed out, they should have:

 A- good knowledge of the AOO code base;

 B- good knowledge of the OOXML and/or ODF file formats;

 C- possibly experience with other programs and/or file formats, in
 order to be able to use patterns, best practices etc. from the field.

I personally find utopistic to find _one_ of the three condition above
in a newcomer, let alone all of them together ;-)

As a ``non-rockstar'' C++ programmer, I could instead be helpful with
blatant bugs crashing AOO. Any C programmer understands a null-pointer
dereference! I just had to read the "debugging" wiki page carefully,
to make my (small) experience with gdb useful.

What we need, maybe, is an expert developer who is able to break the
bigger problems into smaller ones, that could be assigned to newcomers,
with lower barriers to entry.

> I try to get a concept for base together. I will make my next step on
> FOSDEM, but as you see I take my time. And it will be a long time until
> I suggest actual work. And Base is the simplest of all the applications we
> have, because it is the "least used".
>
> I hope you understand now more where I come from.

I understand and, again, for what my humble opinion is worth, I
appreciate your efforts.

> I am a bit astonished that no one screams on the hierarchy suggestions. I
> think we do not need them and we can continue with our rather anarchic
> approach with similar success.
> 
> But I think this is a completely different discussion.

Maybe no one read through my whole message ;-)

In fact, we could discuss about ``organization'' rather than
hierarchy; I could have used a better wording. I do not want to ``give
powers'' to anyone, but rather individuate a ``leader'' as someone who
``leads'' in terms of ``goes ahead and shows the way''. That is what
experienced developers and contributors here IMHO would be _very_ fit
for. And without this kind of leading, I believe, bigger improvements
will be very, very difficult.

I hope I could explain myself clearly, and most of all, I hope that it
is clear that all I am writing is aimed at achieving higher goals as a
project. And that the purpose of my messages on this thread is to
understand: can we recruit and organize small groups of people (inside
the existing doc, dev, QA groups) or is it against the policies here?

If we agree on this, then we can pass to a second level of this
discussion: what ``big'' projects are worth organizing our efforts
on. This should happen on a new thread, but just because we are
here... you mentioned ODF and OOXML, but we could also add:
 - squash bugs blocking the next 4.2.0-Dev,
 - update obsolete modules (Boost, Python, NSS etc)
 - support newer Java releases,
 - your upcoming proposal for Base,
 - ... whatever :-)

I could start myself trying to ``recruit'' volunteers on my pet peeves:
 - documenting the source code,
 - enhancing error reporting and logging,

but I would rather work for some time on a project driven by someone
with more experience than me, before starting up my own.

Thank you and best reg

[GitHub] [openoffice-project] DiGro closed pull request #2: Typo corrected ("contributors")

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DiGro closed pull request #2:
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Bootstrap Problem in OpenOffice.Org 4.1.8 Installation

[Hao Wang]

Dear Developers,

I got stuck with the './bootstrap' part of installation when the script tried 
to download mythes. Is it possible to download and install all the packages 
outside of the bootstrap script using other installation repository ?

Best Regards,
Hao Wang

[GitHub] [openoffice-project] DiGro opened a new pull request #2: Typo corrected ("contributors")

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DiGro opened a new pull request #2:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/pull/2


   Line 223 :  "contributers" should be "contributors".  Changed.



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Re: SCONS development state

[Hao Wang]

Thank you, Peter. I'll follow through this part.

I'm currently getting stuck with ./boostrap part of the installation process. 
My machine gets hanged at the following point :

downloading to 
/home/ubuntu/aoo-4.1.8/ext_sources/067201ea8b126597670b5eff72e1f66c-mythes-1.2.0.tar.gz.part

The downloading part is never finished in the previous tries on the machine.


From: Dylan Pham 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 4:08 AM
To: Peter Kovacs 
Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org ; hao...@live.com 

Subject: Re: SCONS development state

Thank you Peter, this will be very helpful.

Dylan

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM Peter Kovacs 
mailto:pe...@apache.org>> wrote:
Hello Dylan,

Hello Ho Wang,


I am sorry it took me a while. But here Damjan explains all about the
SCONS implementation. Please if still time and interest is there have a
look.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r911b40a582019f641e93253df07341370cb9aeb9d1dc50474e48aa09%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E


I hope this helps

All the Best

Peter

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Re: SCONS development state

[Dylan Pham]

Thank you Peter, this will be very helpful.

Dylan

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM Peter Kovacs  wrote:

> Hello Dylan,
>
> Hello Ho Wang,
>
>
> I am sorry it took me a while. But here Damjan explains all about the
> SCONS implementation. Please if still time and interest is there have a
> look.
>
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r911b40a582019f641e93253df07341370cb9aeb9d1dc50474e48aa09%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E
>
>
> I hope this helps
>
> All the Best
>
> Peter
>
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>