Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
jan i wrote: On Sunday, December 14, 2014, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Obviously, I'm very open to both technical and non-technical discussions at any moment during FOSDEM; ... these are the house rules, but for the rest we'll be free to discuss everything! I expect to be there Saturday afternoon, what prohibits us or you to have TALKS in contradiction to presentations. Nothing! I'm sorry if I wasn't clear or I gave a bad impression. FOSDEM is much, much more than this devroom. And outside the devroom we have plenty of occasions for talking (we will likely have a booth too, for both Saturday and Sunday). And some of these talks will be more important to me than some devroom presentations. please stop arguing and start planning. This is a good point (I think nobody is arguing here... the "planning" part, I mean): from last year's experience I think we should schedule a moment for talks outside the devroom, so that we know to keep that slot free. Who will reach out and plan a meeting at FOSDEMdo we know who from LO will be present. I'll take care of that, by the moment devroom talks are accepted (i.e. in 2 weeks; people will book flights at that moment probably). Sorry for this somewhat direct email, let it be known that I highly respect both Andrea and Louis, but it makes me sad to see a fight instead of a cooperation. I absolutely don't see a fight: I wasn't being confrontational at all. Sorry if I wrote an unclear mail, and thanks for giving me the occasion to reconfirm that very likely Louis and me have similar intentions and priorities. And that there will be much more in FOSDEM than the devroom presentations. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
Hello Am 14.12.2014 um 16:57 schrieb jan i: > On Sunday, December 14, 2014, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> On 10/12/2014 21:09, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >>> On 10 Dec2014, at 15:01, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > We (AOO) have done enough of explaining who we are, now > its high time to start showing that we can move things. Michael and I will do this in Brussels at the booth > > See you all at FOSDEM and ApcaheCON NA. > jan Nice to see you all in Brussels Mechtilde signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
On Sunday, December 14, 2014, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 10/12/2014 21:09, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> On 10 Dec2014, at 15:01, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> Note that FOSDEM talks have a requirement to be technical. ... >>> >> Right; but at the same time, there are other options besides talks >> > > Sure. This only holds for talks in devrooms, as I just confirmed with the > organizers (but again, the call I mentioned is about talks for the Open > Document Editors devroom, deadline today). > > and, besides, there are groups on licensing and metrics >> > > Talks about licensing can be submitted to the dedicated devroom (again, > confirmed with organizers). Andrea, Louis please thus is not the sequel to "scotty beam me up". Please try to understand whats written instead of turning the words into a law. I bet a bottle of wine, served in brussels Saturday evening, that your intentions are similar or even identical. > > … and just saw that Simon echoed my point re Bitergia. >> > > It a separate event the day before FOSDEM. It's not part of FOSDEM, it has > nothing to do with talks in the Open Documents Editors devroom. > > Good idea, btw, to look at what is already accepted rather >> than accept defeat before any venture, no? >> > > Whatever way you want to see it, I can only confirm that talks in the Open > Documents Editors devroom have to be technical and follow the guidelines in > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document ; I find > non-technical talks equally interesting (I gave two non-technical talks > myself during ApacheCon), but they are not for this devroom. Obviously, I'm > very open to both technical and non-technical discussions at any moment > during FOSDEM; these guidelines must be respected for the devroom talks > since these are the house rules, but for the rest we'll be free to discuss > everything! I expect to be there Saturday afternoon, what prohibits us or you to have TALKS in contradiction to presentations. Dont misunderstand me, and no need to flame me (I have filtered that), I think Louis has some good intentions, and I know for sure that andrea is trying hard to get our boat in smooth waters again, so please stop arguing and start planning. Who will reach out and plan a meeting at FOSDEMdo we know who from LO will be present. Sorry for this somewhat direct email, let it be known that I highly respect both Andrea and Louis, but it makes me sad to see a fight instead of a cooperation. We (AOO) have done enough of explaining who we are, now its high time to start showing that we can move things. See you all at FOSDEM and ApcaheCON NA. jan ps. yes I did submit a talk, and yes it will contain some personal views on LO/AOO/corintha market positions. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
On 10/12/2014 21:09, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 10 Dec2014, at 15:01, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Note that FOSDEM talks have a requirement to be technical. ... Right; but at the same time, there are other options besides talks Sure. This only holds for talks in devrooms, as I just confirmed with the organizers (but again, the call I mentioned is about talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, deadline today). and, besides, there are groups on licensing and metrics Talks about licensing can be submitted to the dedicated devroom (again, confirmed with organizers). … and just saw that Simon echoed my point re Bitergia. It a separate event the day before FOSDEM. It's not part of FOSDEM, it has nothing to do with talks in the Open Documents Editors devroom. Good idea, btw, to look at what is already accepted rather than accept defeat before any venture, no? Whatever way you want to see it, I can only confirm that talks in the Open Documents Editors devroom have to be technical and follow the guidelines in https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document ; I find non-technical talks equally interesting (I gave two non-technical talks myself during ApacheCon), but they are not for this devroom. Obviously, I'm very open to both technical and non-technical discussions at any moment during FOSDEM; these guidelines must be respected for the devroom talks since these are the house rules, but for the rest we'll be free to discuss everything! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
> On 10 Dec2014, at 15:05, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti > wrote: > > >> We had to reject a interesting submission about community metrics in the >> past since FOSDEM is not the place for it. >> > > Conveniently, Biturgia is running an EU edition of its FLOSS Metrics event > adjacent to FOSDEM: > http://flosscommunitymetrics.org/index.html > > S. For further reference, see also the opening keynotes in the schedule: https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/ , which lists the already-proposed developer rooms, and not all are technical. Eg, the legal and policy issues one, https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/, and there are more of this sort. I think a dev room that touches on issues affecting AOO (and even LO, if they’d be interested in joining us on this) would be of interest, at least to me :-) -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
> On 10 Dec2014, at 15:01, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> There are other issues, too, like licensing, metrics, and general community >> governance. > > Note that FOSDEM talks have a requirement to be technical. We had to reject a > interesting submission about community metrics in the past since FOSDEM is > not the place for it. > > I can look up details if you wish, but this is one of the few constraints > that FOSDEM places on track content and it is the reason for > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document > to explicitly ask for "technical talks”. Right; but at the same time, there are other options besides talks; and, besides, there are groups on licensing and metrics, as I mentioned, going. The community metrics is related to Bitergia. Licensing is related to CC and others. (FWIW, I’ve participated at several Fosdems. I know the score and also that its an evolving quantity.) … and just saw that Simon echoed my point re Bitergia. Good idea, btw, to look at what is already accepted rather than accept defeat before any venture, no? Louis > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > We had to reject a interesting submission about community metrics in the > past since FOSDEM is not the place for it. > Conveniently, Biturgia is running an EU edition of its FLOSS Metrics event adjacent to FOSDEM: http://flosscommunitymetrics.org/index.html S.
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: There are other issues, too, like licensing, metrics, and general community governance. Note that FOSDEM talks have a requirement to be technical. We had to reject a interesting submission about community metrics in the past since FOSDEM is not the place for it. I can look up details if you wish, but this is one of the few constraints that FOSDEM places on track content and it is the reason for https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document to explicitly ask for "technical talks". Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
> On 10 Dec2014, at 08:07, jan i wrote: > > On 8 December 2014 at 23:27, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> >>> On 07 Dec2014, at 17:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> >>> Reminder: one week left for submitting talks proposal for FOSDEM. >> Deadline is Sunday 14 December. All details below and at >> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document >>> Regards, >>> Andrea. >> >> Thanks, Andrea. I’m hoping to make it. There are also some other quite >> relevant events this year at Fosdem. >> > When do you know if you will make it ? As soon as I can a) figure if we can use Fosdem as a site for a useful discussion (or even initial but meaningful preamble) on all things OpenOffice, including those that use the code (you know who you are); b) persuade my spouse that I’m not a lunatic for considering Brussels in February yet again (only this time with no obvious business attached). > > I am considering submitting a talk for AOO and of course one for Corinthia. There are other issues, too, like licensing, metrics, and general community governance. > > >> >> In fact, I think that this year’s Fosdem could offer us in the ODF/OO a >> huge and maybe even unique opportunity to discuss where we are where we >> want to go, where we *can* go. The ODF is a an opening to these >> discussions, but to sustain the implementations we do need community >> engagement. >> > > Any news about the "open editors room", will it be saturday or sunday ? I > will problaly only be able to fly in saturday morning and leave sunday > evening. > I don’t know. We can ask. > rgds > jan i. > louis >> >> louis >>> >>> On 03/11/2014 Andrea Pescetti wrote: FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and justified. Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format are welcome. Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the password has been lost, you can easily recover it. The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be notified by December 28, 2014. You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: api-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: api-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
jan i wrote: Any news about the "open editors room", will it be saturday or sunday ? It's on Saturday, as specified in https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
On 8 December 2014 at 23:27, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > > On 07 Dec2014, at 17:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > > > Reminder: one week left for submitting talks proposal for FOSDEM. > Deadline is Sunday 14 December. All details below and at > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document > > Regards, > > Andrea. > > Thanks, Andrea. I’m hoping to make it. There are also some other quite > relevant events this year at Fosdem. > When do you know if you will make it ? I am considering submitting a talk for AOO and of course one for Corinthia. > > In fact, I think that this year’s Fosdem could offer us in the ODF/OO a > huge and maybe even unique opportunity to discuss where we are where we > want to go, where we *can* go. The ODF is a an opening to these > discussions, but to sustain the implementations we do need community > engagement. > Any news about the "open editors room", will it be saturday or sunday ? I will problaly only be able to fly in saturday morning and leave sunday evening. rgds jan i. > > louis > > > > On 03/11/2014 Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January > >> 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. > >> > >> Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom > >> which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related > >> developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache > >> OpenOffice and LibreOffice. > >> > >> We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to > >> be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. > >> > >> Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to > >> have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as > >> possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and > >> justified. > >> > >> Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption > >> related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format > >> are welcome. > >> > >> Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: > >> https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 > >> > >> While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a > >> short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself > >> (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be > >> already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, > >> LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. > >> > >> You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the > >> password has been lost, you can easily recover it. > >> > >> The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be > >> notified by December 28, 2014. > >> > >> You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: > >> open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: api-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: api-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
> On 07 Dec2014, at 17:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Reminder: one week left for submitting talks proposal for FOSDEM. Deadline is > Sunday 14 December. All details below and at > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document > Regards, > Andrea. Thanks, Andrea. I’m hoping to make it. There are also some other quite relevant events this year at Fosdem. In fact, I think that this year’s Fosdem could offer us in the ODF/OO a huge and maybe even unique opportunity to discuss where we are where we want to go, where we *can* go. The ODF is a an opening to these discussions, but to sustain the implementations we do need community engagement. louis > > On 03/11/2014 Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January >> 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. >> >> Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom >> which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related >> developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache >> OpenOffice and LibreOffice. >> >> We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to >> be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. >> >> Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to >> have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as >> possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and >> justified. >> >> Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption >> related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format >> are welcome. >> >> Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: >> https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 >> >> While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a >> short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself >> (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be >> already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, >> LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. >> >> You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the >> password has been lost, you can easily recover it. >> >> The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be >> notified by December 28, 2014. >> >> You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: >> open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
Reminder: one week left for submitting talks proposal for FOSDEM. Deadline is Sunday 14 December. All details below and at https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document Regards, Andrea. On 03/11/2014 Andrea Pescetti wrote: FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and justified. Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format are welcome. Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the password has been lost, you can easily recover it. The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be notified by December 28, 2014. You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
Now posted to https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_talks_open_document (which has been silent for too long...), feel free to spread the above link. Submission deadline: 14 December 2014. Regards, Andrea. Andrea Pescetti wrote: FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and justified. Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format are welcome. Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the password has been lost, you can easily recover it. The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be notified by December 28, 2014. You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Open Document Editors Devroom at FOSDEM 15, Brussels, 31 Jan 2015
FOSDEM 15 will be held at the ULB Campus Solbosch on Saturday, January 31, and Sunday, February 1st, 2015. Open document editors are coming again to FOSDEM with a shared devroom which gives every project in this area a chance to present ODF related developments and innovations. The devroom is jointly organized by Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. We invite submission of talks for the Open Document Editors devroom, to be held on Saturday, January 31, from 10AM to 6PM. Length of talks should be limited to 20 minutes, as we would like to have questions after each presentation, and to fit as many presenters as possible in the schedule. Exceptions must be explicitly requested and justified. Technical talks (code, extensions, localization, QA, tools and adoption related cases) about open document editors or the ODF document format are welcome. Submissions must be done by the speakers using the Pentabarf system: https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 While filing your proposal, please provide the title of your talk, a short abstract (one or two paragraphs), some information about yourself (name, bio and photo, but please do remember that your profile might be already stored at Pentabarf) and specify what topic (Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, other ODF editors, ODF in general...) your talk is about. You do not need to create a new account if you already have one. If the password has been lost, you can easily recover it. The deadline is Sunday, December 14, 2014. Accepted speakers will be notified by December 28, 2014. You can send any questions to the devroom mailing list: open-document-devr...@lists.fosdem.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org