Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread jan i
On Sunday, March 8, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 08/03/2015 Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: What about actually doing something? That, sir, is insulting. If you want to propose a resolution, do so, but please do not

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: when one does not have access to the privileged conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions Well, if it is true (and it is true) that the private list

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: You are suggesting a usage pattern of the private list that is far beyond reality. I am not. I am pointing out there is no way for me to know, and that the strong reactions to Dave's original (modest reasonable)

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Dave Barton
Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 07/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: when one does not have access to the privileged conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions Well, if it is true (and it is

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 08/03/2015 Simon Phipps wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: What about actually doing something? That, sir, is insulting. If you want to propose a resolution, do so, but please do not attempt to hand out jobs. Volunteering to do something is much more

RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@ discussions and bring to dev@ every discussion that is not one of the special

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti
jan i wrote: On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@ Well look at the numbers, I did not publish the numbers for 2014, but you will

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread jan i
On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing

RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Dave Barton
Simon Phipps wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'll ask one more time. What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@ ? I don't think there is any action that can be taken on dev@ beyond pointing out to

Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'll ask one more time. What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@ ? I don't think there is any action that can be taken on dev@ beyond pointing out to others here that, when one