Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
On 25.02.2013 11:21, Andre Fischer wrote: Am 25.02.2013 08:03, schrieb Xin Li: Hi Ariel, Thanks for your concern about the issue of color customization. I think we need to **discuss this issue as two parts: 1. Do we need to create the new look and feel for AOO? We always say that the current look and feel for AOO is out of style. We know that AOO just use the system color by default. But if we want AOO looks more modern and fashion, we need to do some change, we need to have new design for default look and feel. You can see that most of the PC software have their own default look and feel, like: MSO, Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator and so on. I think if the default visual style of software is good, the requirements of change color will be smaller. 2.User also can change to other colors if we have default new look and feel. We create new look and feel does not mean that we forbid user change color. User can also change color if they don't like the default look and feel. And I think the reasonable way is user can change the whole interface with sidebar to other colors. I will try this week to find some time to play with the colors. On Windows we are not so far away from the system colors, anyway. Maybe it is good enough to use the cleaner look (not so many lines and boxes and title bars as the old (Impress) taskpanel) together with the system colors. Besides, the system colors still offer some choice. And we can modify them a little bit like in the Impress slide sorter. Its selection color is based on the system selection color but is made a little brighter (I think). There are a lot of knobs to turn. Lets see what I can do. I have uploaded three screenshots (Windows, Ubuntu, Mac) for a slightly modified color scheme. Colors are based on system colors as provided by the StyleSettings class. I used the result of GetDialogColor() as base for most background colors. Panel, deck and tab bar use it unmodified. For the panel title bar I use a second color that is the dialog color with a modified luminance (-15). That same darker color is also used for the border around the deck. The border of tab buttons uses GetActiveBorderColor(). Please have a look: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Status I have not yet checked in my changes but will do if anybody is interested. -Andre -Andre Thanks. 2013/2/21 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Xin Li, On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 04:20:25PM +0800, Xin Li wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. If you see something gray in the user interface, it is because your system uses that color for painting that particular object. If a user doesn't like gray, s/he has to simply switch the desktop theme. Moving away from the system's style settings only renders the sidebar as something that does not fit with the rest of the application/desktop: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/ These screen shots are from different GTK themes, the sidebar is obviously not following the rest of the application (the Navigator is side-by-side to show this fact). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Hi Andre, Thanks for the screenshots. Our ux team is working on the detail design of the layout. We will give a clear indication of the gradient color and the icon layout. We will send out one by one these days. 2013/2/28 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com On 25.02.2013 11:21, Andre Fischer wrote: Am 25.02.2013 08:03, schrieb Xin Li: Hi Ariel, Thanks for your concern about the issue of color customization. I think we need to **discuss this issue as two parts: 1. Do we need to create the new look and feel for AOO? We always say that the current look and feel for AOO is out of style. We know that AOO just use the system color by default. But if we want AOO looks more modern and fashion, we need to do some change, we need to have new design for default look and feel. You can see that most of the PC software have their own default look and feel, like: MSO, Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator and so on. I think if the default visual style of software is good, the requirements of change color will be smaller. 2.User also can change to other colors if we have default new look and feel. We create new look and feel does not mean that we forbid user change color. User can also change color if they don't like the default look and feel. And I think the reasonable way is user can change the whole interface with sidebar to other colors. I will try this week to find some time to play with the colors. On Windows we are not so far away from the system colors, anyway. Maybe it is good enough to use the cleaner look (not so many lines and boxes and title bars as the old (Impress) taskpanel) together with the system colors. Besides, the system colors still offer some choice. And we can modify them a little bit like in the Impress slide sorter. Its selection color is based on the system selection color but is made a little brighter (I think). There are a lot of knobs to turn. Lets see what I can do. I have uploaded three screenshots (Windows, Ubuntu, Mac) for a slightly modified color scheme. Colors are based on system colors as provided by the StyleSettings class. I used the result of GetDialogColor() as base for most background colors. Panel, deck and tab bar use it unmodified. For the panel title bar I use a second color that is the dialog color with a modified luminance (-15). That same darker color is also used for the border around the deck. The border of tab buttons uses GetActiveBorderColor(). Please have a look: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Status I have not yet checked in my changes but will do if anybody is interested. -Andre -Andre Thanks. 2013/2/21 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Xin Li, On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 04:20:25PM +0800, Xin Li wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. If you see something gray in the user interface, it is because your system uses that color for painting that particular object. If a user doesn't like gray, s/he has to simply switch the desktop theme. Moving away from the system's style settings only renders the sidebar as something that does not fit with the rest of the application/desktop: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/ These screen shots are from different GTK themes, the sidebar is obviously not following the rest of the application (the Navigator is side-by-side to show this fact). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Am 21.02.2013 16:26, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi, Xin Li schrieb: [..] So I create a light-weight gray proposal based on the option we discussed before.I use a light grey on the side bar and use a gradient for the section title. And I also align the same light grey to slide thumbnail panel background in Presentation. Because the content area on the center should have the highest priority, the rest elements should have lower priorities, and items with the same priority should be treated with the same way. I have added the latest design(option10) to AOO UX wiki page. Please see the latest design by the link: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals Welcome to share your thoughts and ideas. Thanks. Can you make a little change and draw the color gradient of the subtitles the other way round: light color at the top edge and darker color at the bottom edge? And put the pictures side by side to allow to compare them? I don´t think that would work. The current orientation of the gradient is chosen so that the title bar blends into the panel so that the user can recognize both to belong together. Inverting the gradient would work only when we make the background of the panel dark. Background for the request: When ever I see such gradient in an UI, it assumes, that the light comes from left-top, so that the top and the left parts of the elements are lighter then the right and bottom parts. AOO is not a physics simulation. -Andre
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Am 25.02.2013 08:03, schrieb Xin Li: Hi Ariel, Thanks for your concern about the issue of color customization. I think we need to **discuss this issue as two parts: 1. Do we need to create the new look and feel for AOO? We always say that the current look and feel for AOO is out of style. We know that AOO just use the system color by default. But if we want AOO looks more modern and fashion, we need to do some change, we need to have new design for default look and feel. You can see that most of the PC software have their own default look and feel, like: MSO, Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator and so on. I think if the default visual style of software is good, the requirements of change color will be smaller. 2.User also can change to other colors if we have default new look and feel. We create new look and feel does not mean that we forbid user change color. User can also change color if they don't like the default look and feel. And I think the reasonable way is user can change the whole interface with sidebar to other colors. I will try this week to find some time to play with the colors. On Windows we are not so far away from the system colors, anyway. Maybe it is good enough to use the cleaner look (not so many lines and boxes and title bars as the old (Impress) taskpanel) together with the system colors. Besides, the system colors still offer some choice. And we can modify them a little bit like in the Impress slide sorter. Its selection color is based on the system selection color but is made a little brighter (I think). There are a lot of knobs to turn. Lets see what I can do. -Andre Thanks. 2013/2/21 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Xin Li, On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 04:20:25PM +0800, Xin Li wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. If you see something gray in the user interface, it is because your system uses that color for painting that particular object. If a user doesn't like gray, s/he has to simply switch the desktop theme. Moving away from the system's style settings only renders the sidebar as something that does not fit with the rest of the application/desktop: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/ These screen shots are from different GTK themes, the sidebar is obviously not following the rest of the application (the Navigator is side-by-side to show this fact). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
KG01 - see comments inline. On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Am 21.02.2013 16:26, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi, Xin Li schrieb: [..] So I create a light-weight gray proposal based on the option we discussed before.I use a light grey on the side bar and use a gradient for the section title. And I also align the same light grey to slide thumbnail panel background in Presentation. Because the content area on the center should have the highest priority, the rest elements should have lower priorities, and items with the same priority should be treated with the same way. I have added the latest design(option10) to AOO UX wiki page. Please see the latest design by the link: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals Welcome to share your thoughts and ideas. Thanks. Can you make a little change and draw the color gradient of the subtitles the other way round: light color at the top edge and darker color at the bottom edge? And put the pictures side by side to allow to compare them? I don´t think that would work. The current orientation of the gradient is chosen so that the title bar blends into the panel so that the user can recognize both to belong together. Inverting the gradient would work only when we make the background of the panel dark. KG01 - exactly, the goal is to differentiate the section titles from each other while reinforcing the association between section header and it's content. Who said design was easy :) other solutions could be explored if the gradient is not ideal. Background for the request: When ever I see such gradient in an UI, it assumes, that the light comes from left-top, so that the top and the left parts of the elements are lighter then the right and bottom parts. AOO is not a physics simulation. -Andre
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Hi Ariel, Thanks for your concern about the issue of color customization. I think we need to **discuss this issue as two parts: 1. Do we need to create the new look and feel for AOO? We always say that the current look and feel for AOO is out of style. We know that AOO just use the system color by default. But if we want AOO looks more modern and fashion, we need to do some change, we need to have new design for default look and feel. You can see that most of the PC software have their own default look and feel, like: MSO, Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator and so on. I think if the default visual style of software is good, the requirements of change color will be smaller. 2.User also can change to other colors if we have default new look and feel. We create new look and feel does not mean that we forbid user change color. User can also change color if they don't like the default look and feel. And I think the reasonable way is user can change the whole interface with sidebar to other colors. Thanks. 2013/2/21 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Xin Li, On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 04:20:25PM +0800, Xin Li wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. If you see something gray in the user interface, it is because your system uses that color for painting that particular object. If a user doesn't like gray, s/he has to simply switch the desktop theme. Moving away from the system's style settings only renders the sidebar as something that does not fit with the rest of the application/desktop: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/ These screen shots are from different GTK themes, the sidebar is obviously not following the rest of the application (the Navigator is side-by-side to show this fact). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. So maybe we should start consider the light-weight color change when we do the design and avoid to use dark color that make the UI too heavy. So I create a light-weight gray proposal based on the option we discussed before.I use a light grey on the side bar and use a gradient for the section title. And I also align the same light grey to slide thumbnail panel background in Presentation. Because the content area on the center should have the highest priority, the rest elements should have lower priorities, and items with the same priority should be treated with the same way. I have added the latest design(option10) to AOO UX wiki page. Please see the latest design by the link: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals Welcome to share your thoughts and ideas. Thanks. 2013/2/9 Manuel del Valle m...@outlook.com I like proposal B (I think it's the most stylish one, and adds less visual noise), but I tend to agree with Kevin's comments: I'd like better a mix between B1 and B3: light grey panel + dark grey title. That way, it does provide certain contrast for the title, but doesn't draw too much attention to the panel itself, allowing the user to focus his/her attention on the doc. Otherwise, it does look nice ;) Greetings, Manuel -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
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Xin, Thanks very much for your summary! And the option 10 looks very good! I suggest we move forward to get a development build out. So that not only we can get more UX feedback, not also we can early start FVT for this big new feature. - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/2/21 Xin Li lxnice...@gmail.com Hi all, Thanks for your votes and your feedback. I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is : A1:8A2:7A3:6 B1:8B2:8B3:10 C1:3C2:2C3:5 For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster. For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before, the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We should do some light-weight change in AOO. So maybe we should start consider the light-weight color change when we do the design and avoid to use dark color that make the UI too heavy. So I create a light-weight gray proposal based on the option we discussed before.I use a light grey on the side bar and use a gradient for the section title. And I also align the same light grey to slide thumbnail panel background in Presentation. Because the content area on the center should have the highest priority, the rest elements should have lower priorities, and items with the same priority should be treated with the same way. I have added the latest design(option10) to AOO UX wiki page. Please see the latest design by the link: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals Welcome to share your thoughts and ideas. Thanks. 2013/2/9 Manuel del Valle m...@outlook.com I like proposal B (I think it's the most stylish one, and adds less visual noise), but I tend to agree with Kevin's comments: I'd like better a mix between B1 and B3: light grey panel + dark grey title. That way, it does provide certain contrast for the title, but doesn't draw too much attention to the panel itself, allowing the user to focus his/her attention on the doc. Otherwise, it does look nice ;) Greetings, Manuel -- Best regards, Xin Li 李欣 UX designer
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Sorry. It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible everywhere. Here is a copy/paste: Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray background of titles. Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like apply these setting on the style used would come in handy added to such panel. Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...) Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content panels with this option. Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest. Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast! Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too. Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the buttons nicely. Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO! Mindaugas Baranauskas A3 Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible Francesco Esposito A2 or B2 Raffaello Palandri A1 Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez ! Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on it. Keep it simple please. Cátia Gonçalves B2 Rob, Thanks for sharing. Two comments align with some earlier comments in this thread: 1) use a grey background to keep the focus on the document 2) use of gradient should be used to provide contrast where required Kevin Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
RE: Sidebar color scheme survey
I like proposal B (I think it's the most stylish one, and adds less visual noise), but I tend to agree with Kevin's comments: I'd like better a mix between B1 and B3: light grey panel + dark grey title. That way, it does provide certain contrast for the title, but doesn't draw too much attention to the panel itself, allowing the user to focus his/her attention on the doc. Otherwise, it does look nice ;) Greetings, Manuel
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals Regards, Andrea.
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
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KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Sorry. It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible everywhere. Here is a copy/paste: Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray background of titles. Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like apply these setting on the style used would come in handy added to such panel. Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...) Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content panels with this option. Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest. Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast! Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too. Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the buttons nicely. Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO! Mindaugas Baranauskas A3 Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible Francesco Esposito A2 or B2 Raffaello Palandri A1 Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez ! Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on it. Keep it simple please. Cátia Gonçalves B2 Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
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2013/2/8 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Sorry. It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible everywhere. Here is a copy/paste: Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray background of titles. Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like apply these setting on the style used would come in handy added to such panel. Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...) Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content panels with this option. Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest. Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast! Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too. Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the buttons nicely. Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO! Mindaugas Baranauskas A3 Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible Francesco Esposito A2 or B2 Raffaello Palandri A1 Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez ! Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on it. Keep it simple please. Cátia Gonçalves B2 So great to have so many feedback! Here is my preference: - B1 for properties panels, which have many buttons and controls. - B3 for panels as clipart and template, which have many pictures. In fact I like all the design options. While existing users' adaption when they upgrade to 4.0, I suggest we start from the normal style in 4.0, and improve gradually per wider feedback after. - Shenfeng (Simon) Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
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I like 2A, 2B, 1B in that order. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Sorry. It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible everywhere. Here is a copy/paste: Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray background of titles. Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like apply these setting on the style used would come in handy added to such panel. Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...) Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content panels with this option. Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest. Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast! Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too. Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the buttons nicely. Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO! Mindaugas Baranauskas A3 Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible Francesco Esposito A2 or B2 Raffaello Palandri A1 Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez ! Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on it. Keep it simple please. Cátia Gonçalves B2 So great to have so many feedback! Here is my preference: - B1 for properties panels, which have many buttons and controls. - B3 for panels as clipart and template, which have many pictures. In fact I like all the design options. While existing users' adaption when they upgrade to 4.0, I suggest we start from the normal style in 4.0, and improve gradually per wider feedback after. - Shenfeng (Simon) Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
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Hi, I did these 9 options. For my own, I recommend Option 2A and Option 2C. Because the visual difference between “unfolded” and “folded” is more clear, and it is easier for users to distinguish. And “Gradient” or “Emboss” effect looks more integral. Welcome more users to share your thoughts. Thanks. 2013/1/31 Fabrizio Marchesano fmarches...@gmail.com Great news, thanks Juergen! I installed two custom task pane extensions (in Calc and Writer context, written in Java using the NetBeans plug-in) without making any change to the code or configuration files, just installing the same OXTs working on AOO 3.4.1, but, even if they where shown and worked perfectly in the original Task Pane container, the same Tool Panels were shown empty in the Sidebar. Just a try (on Windows XP 32 bit and Fedora 18 64 bit) but seeing my tool panels on the Sidebar, even empty, with their title and icon ready to be clicked on, made me even more excited than I already was about the opportunities given to developers (and, in consequence, users) by AOO 4. I am at your disposal for any further test, just tell me what I have to do. See you very soon! Regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/30/13 11:33 AM, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, thanks for your quick reply. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. I'll be glad, too: I will stay in Brussels only on Saturday, I hope to have the chance to meet you. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. I'll try immediately and let you know (hopefully in person at FOSDEM). Thanks again and best regards, it works already, I have tweaked a test extension with the old and the new mechanism. Supporting an own panel as well as integrating in an extension panel as additional dock. Andre gave me the necessary support and I plan to include in my FOSDEM talk. I will at least give an outlook and it open s even abetter integration opportunity for extensions developers. Juergen Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7. Strange. and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? Absolutely. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Not yet. I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle. Is there any other way I may help? My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar extensions. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. Just install them like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current and the new sidebar. -Andre About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/**ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In
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Hi Andre, Andre Fischer schrieb: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. I like best the version 2A. But I think the gradient should be the opposite direction, from light at the top to dark at the bottom. A light is expected to come from top right, therefore the lighter color should be at the top and on the left side of an object. The drop-down-triangles have the right direction for the gradient. I do not like the line separators. The take place without any use. I normally remove this separator lines in our current toolbars. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre I have download your Windows build and played with it beyond the design. I know, it is work in progress, but I see: - If you drag the pane smaller, some elements become unaccessible. The elements should rearrange and/or the pane needs a scrollbar. - If you set the UI scaling to 130% (and restart!), you see that the margin between the button bars becomes wider. That is ugly and wasted place, because the buttons bars itself are not extended. Our current toolbars arrange the buttons in rows, without a margin between them, and therefore there is no margins, which can increase. That is more useful. You do not have always large screens, but have to consider netbooks and tablets as well. - The icon size is always small, although the general setting is large icons, even after restart. - If the side bar is undocked, the row of the title bar still exists and the window title is empty. The title bar should be removed in undocked state and the title moved to the window title bar. - The title bar has vertical dots on the left side, which normally indicate, that this part can be dragged around. But that is not the case here and therefore no dots should be shown. - Between the menu icon and the other tab buttons in the tab bar is a separator line. It is not necessary, because the menu icon has nearly always a border. - Cycling with F6 seems to hit the side bar, but nothing there gets active. - That is likely an effect of the draft state, but if in Impress the current task pane is closed and I click on the Animation tab in the tab bar of the side bar, AOO crashes. Kind regards Regina [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
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Hello Andre, hello at all, Am 29.01.2013 16:41, schrieb Andre Fischer: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I did the download today and tried to install it on my Debian Testing (Debian 7.0 Wheezy) which become stable in the next time. This didn't work because there is glibc in version 2.13 and not 2.15. There will be no change up to the release date. So in further time no Debian User can install ApacheOpenOffice 4.0 with the Sidebar. Kind regards Mechtilde signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 04.02.2013 16:39, Mechtilde wrote: Hello Andre, hello at all, Am 29.01.2013 16:41, schrieb Andre Fischer: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I did the download today and tried to install it on my Debian Testing (Debian 7.0 Wheezy) which become stable in the next time. This didn't work because there is glibc in version 2.13 and not 2.15. There will be no change up to the release date. So in further time no Debian User can install ApacheOpenOffice 4.0 with the Sidebar. This is a problem only with my developer build which I build on a fairly up-to-date Ubuntu on a machine under my desk. The releases will be built on other computers with older Redhat versions and should work fine. -Andre Kind regards Mechtilde
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Le 04/02/2013 16:39, Mechtilde a écrit : I did the download today and tried to install it on my Debian Testing (Debian 7.0 Wheezy) which become stable in the next time. This didn't work because there is glibc in version 2.13 and not 2.15. There will be no change up to the release date. On my Ubuntu 12.10 system, I got the following errors: /opt/ooo-dev3/program/soffice: 84: /opt/ooo-dev3/program/soffice: /opt/ooo-dev3/program/../basis-link/program/pagein: not found /opt/ooo-dev3/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libsofficeapp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory NB: to avoid problems with my AOO 3.4.1, I renamed the folders to the same used by the ooo-dev (3.5) version, previously uninstalled. Hagar
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Great news, thanks Juergen! I installed two custom task pane extensions (in Calc and Writer context, written in Java using the NetBeans plug-in) without making any change to the code or configuration files, just installing the same OXTs working on AOO 3.4.1, but, even if they where shown and worked perfectly in the original Task Pane container, the same Tool Panels were shown empty in the Sidebar. Just a try (on Windows XP 32 bit and Fedora 18 64 bit) but seeing my tool panels on the Sidebar, even empty, with their title and icon ready to be clicked on, made me even more excited than I already was about the opportunities given to developers (and, in consequence, users) by AOO 4. I am at your disposal for any further test, just tell me what I have to do. See you very soon! Regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/30/13 11:33 AM, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, thanks for your quick reply. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. I'll be glad, too: I will stay in Brussels only on Saturday, I hope to have the chance to meet you. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. I'll try immediately and let you know (hopefully in person at FOSDEM). Thanks again and best regards, it works already, I have tweaked a test extension with the old and the new mechanism. Supporting an own panel as well as integrating in an extension panel as additional dock. Andre gave me the necessary support and I plan to include in my FOSDEM talk. I will at least give an outlook and it open s even abetter integration opportunity for extensions developers. Juergen Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7. Strange. and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? Absolutely. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Not yet. I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle. Is there any other way I may help? My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar extensions. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. Just install them like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current and the new sidebar. -Andre About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/**ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background
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Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Is there any other way I may help? About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
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On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7. Strange. and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? Absolutely. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Not yet. I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle. Is there any other way I may help? My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar extensions. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. Just install them like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current and the new sidebar. -Andre About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Hello Andre, thanks for your quick reply. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. I'll be glad, too: I will stay in Brussels only on Saturday, I hope to have the chance to meet you. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. I'll try immediately and let you know (hopefully in person at FOSDEM). Thanks again and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7. Strange. and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? Absolutely. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Not yet. I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle. Is there any other way I may help? My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar extensions. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. Just install them like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current and the new sidebar. -Andre About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/**ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1]
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On 1/30/13 11:33 AM, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, thanks for your quick reply. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. I'll be glad, too: I will stay in Brussels only on Saturday, I hope to have the chance to meet you. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. I'll try immediately and let you know (hopefully in person at FOSDEM). Thanks again and best regards, it works already, I have tweaked a test extension with the old and the new mechanism. Supporting an own panel as well as integrating in an extension panel as additional dock. Andre gave me the necessary support and I plan to include in my FOSDEM talk. I will at least give an outlook and it open s even abetter integration opportunity for extensions developers. Juergen Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote: Hello Andre, I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual Machine Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7. Strange. and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too! May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build into my FOSDEM presentation? Absolutely. I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet. The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane estensions, and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning the source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a work-in-progess UI). I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently use Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code for the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar available? Not yet. I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle. Is there any other way I may help? My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar extensions. So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very helpful if you could test them with the developer build. Just install them like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current and the new sidebar. -Andre About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1 and A1. Thanks in advance and best regards, Fabrizio On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/**ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an
Sidebar color scheme survey
Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
On 29.01.2013 16:41, Andre Fischer wrote: Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. [...] [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals For the panel decoration I prefer the proposal A (Gradient Color Background) because the separator lines or the emboss effect add too much visual noise. For the panel color scheme I prefer proposal 1 (Grey Title and Panel) because this panel is for setting properties which the other proposals don't convey. A gradient for the Title from dark grey to grey would be even better. Herbert
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Andre, Thanks for the great work! I search out the original sidebar post on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910 And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is following. Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And if some one just say I like 3, I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3): A1: 4 A2: 1 A3: 2 B1: 5 B2: 1 B3: 5 C1: 2 C2: 1 C3: 3 - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Andre, This is looking really great. Re: colour An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a hybrid of proposal 1 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the title sections, a darker grey. Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will strengthen the association between the section title and content and mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point. Re: control styles Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I recommend we implement Proposal B. Again, great job. I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar framework. Best regards, Kevin On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Development of the sidebar is progressing well. It already looks a lot like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1]. I have concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially migrated panel so far. Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color schemes from [1]. I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. General information about the sidebar, the current state of development and how to help can be found in the wiki [3]. Thanks in advance for you help, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site but can not find the email anymore. I also remember that the feedback was somewhat inconclusive. Does anybody know the details?
