RE: html code generated from Open Office
I created a new project in Source Forge, https://sourceforge.net/projects/open-office-html-4-to-html5/. It contains my latest tested conversion. If you cannot read the files, I’ll add more files to make it easier. Currently my latest in testing version is in http://www.americasfreedompressalliance.us/Howard/Open/ . To see the source code there use http://www.americasfreedompressalliance.us/Howard/ and on bottom of page may enter Open/index.html Open/Gen2.php Open/ReadMe.txt After looking at text, may use browser ‘Save Page as’ to get a copy of source. I could put a shorter version of those programs in Source Forge project. I have looked at code generated by both filters. The .html filter tries to add the page header and page footer to the generated code. Does a bad job of it, I have cleaned it up some. The .xhtml filter doesn’t even try. The .xhtml code is true to the page width in Open Office document. The .html filter doesn’t even try. One reason I am trying to make it as print compatible as possible is to make an alternative to PDF. The output is much smaller. In fact, if you compress the output and add the image files, the result is much smaller than the .odt file. Also, some users may want the output to look like a (typed) document. The ReadMe file tells more of what has been done than what needs to be done. If I ever get to the table of contents, it will be really amazing. I was able to get to the source of the .html filter. However with so many includes it was impossible to wade through. As asked before, compiled versions with all the includes expanded would help a lot. There seems to be 4 programs in the filter. Howard Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Andrea Pescetti Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 3:24:52 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office Howard Cary Morris wrote: > I want the HTML5 look identical to printed code. I will have additional > references to understand the code. I see many mixed ideas in this conversations. Let me give you some pointers, and sorry for being late at this. Start here: https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/improving_the_xhtml_export_filter/ The slides you find there will give you all pointers (source code modules, issues, patches, history) for the XHTML export filter and the idea to repurpose it as an HTML5 export filter. The presentation is old (and looks very old indeed!) but it's still accurate: we didn't change that export in recent years. As someone already told you, we have two filters, the HTML one and the XHTML one. They are in different code modules. The work has to be done in the source code, so whatever you have done in PHP and HTML (?) will have to be rewritten. But I (and many others) will be able to read your current work, assuming you are post-processing the HTML or XHTML output, and we can give feedback if you make it available somewhere. There is a fundamental error in the idea of print fidelity: HTML, and especially HTML5, are not designed with print fidelity in mind. I mean, the idea to have the printed HTML5 identical to the OpenOffice (say) PDF export is unfeasible since HTML rendering is done by the user-agent (browser) and this is by design subject to what the browser decides to do. If you constrain the browser too much by enforcing specific CSS, all advantages of an HTML export will be gone. So the idea should be to have a proper HTML5 export as a start, ignoring the printed output for the time being. Priority should be on getting the semantic level (tags) right, and some basic CSS transformations to get the styles right. Our export is currently using bad HTML style, but the XHTML one is a bit better than the HTML one. For print fidelity (but this comes much later) https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-page/ would be the place to start. It is wonderful, but support from tools is still quite incomplete. And anyway implementation will need the ground work above to be completed beforehand. The way is long, but we are here to help, even though we are all volunteers and are often less responsive than we would like to. The first step is building OpenOffice on your system. There is no other way, unfortunately. Does https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO make any sense to you? If you are lost, we may be able to help if you describe your system configuration. Linux is probably the easiest platform for building. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Howard Cary Morris wrote: I want the HTML5 look identical to printed code. I will have additional references to understand the code. I see many mixed ideas in this conversations. Let me give you some pointers, and sorry for being late at this. Start here: https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/improving_the_xhtml_export_filter/ The slides you find there will give you all pointers (source code modules, issues, patches, history) for the XHTML export filter and the idea to repurpose it as an HTML5 export filter. The presentation is old (and looks very old indeed!) but it's still accurate: we didn't change that export in recent years. As someone already told you, we have two filters, the HTML one and the XHTML one. They are in different code modules. The work has to be done in the source code, so whatever you have done in PHP and HTML (?) will have to be rewritten. But I (and many others) will be able to read your current work, assuming you are post-processing the HTML or XHTML output, and we can give feedback if you make it available somewhere. There is a fundamental error in the idea of print fidelity: HTML, and especially HTML5, are not designed with print fidelity in mind. I mean, the idea to have the printed HTML5 identical to the OpenOffice (say) PDF export is unfeasible since HTML rendering is done by the user-agent (browser) and this is by design subject to what the browser decides to do. If you constrain the browser too much by enforcing specific CSS, all advantages of an HTML export will be gone. So the idea should be to have a proper HTML5 export as a start, ignoring the printed output for the time being. Priority should be on getting the semantic level (tags) right, and some basic CSS transformations to get the styles right. Our export is currently using bad HTML style, but the XHTML one is a bit better than the HTML one. For print fidelity (but this comes much later) https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-page/ would be the place to start. It is wonderful, but support from tools is still quite incomplete. And anyway implementation will need the ground work above to be completed beforehand. The way is long, but we are here to help, even though we are all volunteers and are often less responsive than we would like to. The first step is building OpenOffice on your system. There is no other way, unfortunately. Does https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO make any sense to you? If you are lost, we may be able to help if you describe your system configuration. Linux is probably the easiest platform for building. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: html code generated from Open Office
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:27 AM Peter Kovacs wrote: > #include Okay this is special, since it > refers to Javacode. But I do not know how to find the corresponding Java > class file. > That isn't Java, that is a header file generated from the UNO IDL in main/offapi/com/sun/star/form/XForm.idl
Re: html code generated from Open Office
I took a quick glance at the html filter code in writer. Maybe another thing why the code is hard to read is that most comments are in german. We do translations on demand. If you are interested in a specific file then best practice is to write a comment in https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=39199. Some examples how to read includes: #include Check the vcl module -> main/vcl/inc/vcl/svapp.hxx #include check sfx2 module -> main/sfx2/inc/sfx2/docfile.hxx #include Okay this is special, since it refers to Javacode. But I do not know how to find the corresponding Java class file. Sadly we are still restoring OpenGrok, so no help there atm. I am searching through Eclipse but that takes ages. Maybe someone has an Idea? HTH Peter On 10/1/18 10:07 PM, Howard Cary Morris wrote: Looked at code, tried to anyway. Way to many includes, which I don’t know how to look up. I’d be better off with compiled code for modules with all includes expanded. Included read me text of my server code to convert so far. While I am thinking of it, saw an earlier email about source of help. For online help, create with Writer and export as .xhtml file headers and footers not exported. Tried dumping .odt file. I could not see text or fonts (must be encoded). But other parts were not encoded (like meta data). Seemed to waste a lot of space. Saw a lot of other stuff that made it seem like our files are being fed into a another language (xml?) May consider combining .html and .xhtml files for better creation. Howard *From: *Howard Cary Morris <mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> *Sent: *Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:03 AM *To: *dev@openoffice.apache.org <mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> *Cc: *Apache OO <mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> *Subject: *RE: html code generated from Open Office Only reason I want to see Print and print preview code is that I want the HTML5 look identical to printed code. I will have additional references to understand the code. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Damjan Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:59:53 PM To: Howard Cary Morris Cc: Apache OO Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office Those modules are in our source code, see this link about getting it: https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html Building it is quite involved :-/. What are you looking for in terms of printing? ODT files are documented but it's a lot of documentation: https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 Damjan On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:00 PM Howard Cary Morris < howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > OK, where can I get a copy of that module for Writer? > > Would also like a copy of module that does print and one that does view > preprint. > > (Mainly for comparison purposes.) > > If there is documentation of the format of the .odt files, I might be able > to write the module from scratch. > > > > Howard > > > > *From: *Damjan Jovanovic > *Sent: *Monday, September 3, 2018 11:20 PM > *To: *Apache OO ; > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com > *Subject: *Re: html code generated from Open Office > > > > Hi > > > > If it was me, I said: > > The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: > > > > main/sc/source/filter/html > > for Calc, and > > main/sw/source/filter/html > > for Writer. > > (Not sure if there are more?) > > > > Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any > further help. > > Damjan > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris < > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. > Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML > request. > I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request > and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. > Where can I download those modules from? > > Thanks Howard > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=%2FM2%2FbybEdfduyk8j%2BkyvRNw26xajYIEYFY9RYC7h6As%3D&reserved=0>> > for Windows 10 > > > From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: html code generated from Open Office > > The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the
RE: html code generated from Open Office
Looked at code, tried to anyway. Way to many includes, which I don’t know how to look up. I’d be better off with compiled code for modules with all includes expanded. Included read me text of my server code to convert so far. While I am thinking of it, saw an earlier email about source of help. For online help, create with Writer and export as .xhtml file headers and footers not exported. Tried dumping .odt file. I could not see text or fonts (must be encoded). But other parts were not encoded (like meta data). Seemed to waste a lot of space. Saw a lot of other stuff that made it seem like our files are being fed into a another language (xml?) May consider combining .html and .xhtml files for better creation. Howard From: Howard Cary Morris<mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:03 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> Cc: Apache OO<mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: RE: html code generated from Open Office Only reason I want to see Print and print preview code is that I want the HTML5 look identical to printed code. I will have additional references to understand the code. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Damjan Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:59:53 PM To: Howard Cary Morris Cc: Apache OO Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office Those modules are in our source code, see this link about getting it: https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html Building it is quite involved :-/. What are you looking for in terms of printing? ODT files are documented but it's a lot of documentation: https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 Damjan On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:00 PM Howard Cary Morris < howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > OK, where can I get a copy of that module for Writer? > > Would also like a copy of module that does print and one that does view > preprint. > > (Mainly for comparison purposes.) > > If there is documentation of the format of the .odt files, I might be able > to write the module from scratch. > > > > Howard > > > > *From: *Damjan Jovanovic > *Sent: *Monday, September 3, 2018 11:20 PM > *To: *Apache OO ; > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com > *Subject: *Re: html code generated from Open Office > > > > Hi > > > > If it was me, I said: > > The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: > > > > main/sc/source/filter/html > > for Calc, and > > main/sw/source/filter/html > > for Writer. > > (Not sure if there are more?) > > > > Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any > further help. > > Damjan > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris < > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. > Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML > request. > I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request > and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. > Where can I download those modules from? > > Thanks Howard > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=%2FM2%2FbybEdfduyk8j%2BkyvRNw26xajYIEYFY9RYC7h6As%3D&reserved=0>> > for Windows 10 > > > From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: html code generated from Open Office > > The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated > from writer. > > For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by > Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. > Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations > are in Readme.txt > > I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get > there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one > by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any > of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is > not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. > > I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files > internally into a XML format. If I
RE: html code generated from Open Office
Only reason I want to see Print and print preview code is that I want the HTML5 look identical to printed code. I will have additional references to understand the code. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Damjan Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:59:53 PM To: Howard Cary Morris Cc: Apache OO Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office Those modules are in our source code, see this link about getting it: https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html Building it is quite involved :-/. What are you looking for in terms of printing? ODT files are documented but it's a lot of documentation: https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 Damjan On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:00 PM Howard Cary Morris < howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > OK, where can I get a copy of that module for Writer? > > Would also like a copy of module that does print and one that does view > preprint. > > (Mainly for comparison purposes.) > > If there is documentation of the format of the .odt files, I might be able > to write the module from scratch. > > > > Howard > > > > *From: *Damjan Jovanovic > *Sent: *Monday, September 3, 2018 11:20 PM > *To: *Apache OO ; > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com > *Subject: *Re: html code generated from Open Office > > > > Hi > > > > If it was me, I said: > > The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: > > > > main/sc/source/filter/html > > for Calc, and > > main/sw/source/filter/html > > for Writer. > > (Not sure if there are more?) > > > > Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any > further help. > > Damjan > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris < > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. > Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML > request. > I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request > and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. > Where can I download those modules from? > > Thanks Howard > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=%2FM2%2FbybEdfduyk8j%2BkyvRNw26xajYIEYFY9RYC7h6As%3D&reserved=0>> > for Windows 10 > > > From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: html code generated from Open Office > > The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated > from writer. > > For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by > Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. > Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations > are in Readme.txt > > I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get > there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one > by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any > of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is > not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. > > I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files > internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the > .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there > an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fxml%2Fxml_specification.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=On9HJQQ6lngCY9krxQCHwEa54cHETuTfiJOBwBnew%2BE%3D&reserved=0> > ? I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to > date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least > I will retain most of it the first time. > > Howard Morris > > >
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Those modules are in our source code, see this link about getting it: https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html Building it is quite involved :-/. What are you looking for in terms of printing? ODT files are documented but it's a lot of documentation: https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 Damjan On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:00 PM Howard Cary Morris < howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > OK, where can I get a copy of that module for Writer? > > Would also like a copy of module that does print and one that does view > preprint. > > (Mainly for comparison purposes.) > > If there is documentation of the format of the .odt files, I might be able > to write the module from scratch. > > > > Howard > > > > *From: *Damjan Jovanovic > *Sent: *Monday, September 3, 2018 11:20 PM > *To: *Apache OO ; > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com > *Subject: *Re: html code generated from Open Office > > > > Hi > > > > If it was me, I said: > > The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: > > > > main/sc/source/filter/html > > for Calc, and > > main/sw/source/filter/html > > for Writer. > > (Not sure if there are more?) > > > > Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any > further help. > > Damjan > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris < > howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. > Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML > request. > I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request > and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. > Where can I download those modules from? > > Thanks Howard > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=%2FM2%2FbybEdfduyk8j%2BkyvRNw26xajYIEYFY9RYC7h6As%3D&reserved=0>> > for Windows 10 > > > From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: html code generated from Open Office > > The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated > from writer. > > For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by > Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. > Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations > are in Readme.txt > > I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get > there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one > by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any > of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is > not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. > > I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files > internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the > .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there > an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf > <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fxml%2Fxml_specification.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=On9HJQQ6lngCY9krxQCHwEa54cHETuTfiJOBwBnew%2BE%3D&reserved=0> > ? I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to > date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least > I will retain most of it the first time. > > Howard Morris > > >
RE: html code generated from Open Office
OK, where can I get a copy of that module for Writer? Would also like a copy of module that does print and one that does view preprint. (Mainly for comparison purposes.) If there is documentation of the format of the .odt files, I might be able to write the module from scratch. Howard From: Damjan Jovanovic<mailto:dam...@apache.org> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 11:20 PM To: Apache OO<mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org>; howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com<mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office Hi If it was me, I said: The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: main/sc/source/filter/html for Calc, and main/sw/source/filter/html for Writer. (Not sure if there are more?) Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any further help. Damjan On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML request. I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. Where can I download those modules from? Thanks Howard Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=%2FM2%2FbybEdfduyk8j%2BkyvRNw26xajYIEYFY9RYC7h6As%3D&reserved=0>> for Windows 10 From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: html code generated from Open Office The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations are in Readme.txt I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fxml%2Fxml_specification.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C482eb29f850342906b7608d6121db243%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716316081442734&sdata=On9HJQQ6lngCY9krxQCHwEa54cHETuTfiJOBwBnew%2BE%3D&reserved=0> ? I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I will retain most of it the first time. Howard Morris
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Hi If it was me, I said: The code for the "Save As" -> "HTML document" feature seems to be in: main/sc/source/filter/html for Calc, and main/sw/source/filter/html for Writer. (Not sure if there are more?) Thank you for your contribution, and please let us know if you need any further help. Damjan On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:55 AM Howard Cary Morris < howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. > Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML > request. > I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request > and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. > Where can I download those modules from? > > Thanks Howard > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: html code generated from Open Office > > The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated > from writer. > > For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by > Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. > Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations > are in Readme.txt > > I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get > there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one > by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any > of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is > not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. > > I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files > internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the > .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there > an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf ? > I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. > It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I > will retain most of it the first time. > > Howard Morris >
RE: html code generated from Open Office
Sorry, I seem too have deleted a more recent version of this request. Someone sent me name of module that gets invoked for a save as HTML request. I also like to compare that with the module that does the print request and the module that does the print preview. What are all those module names. Where can I download those modules from? Thanks Howard Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:36:20 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: html code generated from Open Office The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations are in Readme.txt I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf ? I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I will retain most of it the first time. Howard Morris
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Thank you again, Brief comment. I know about MathML. Last time I tried it I ran into a browser that didn’t support it. Hmm, let the user get a better browser, they are cheap enough. In this case no need for full Unicode %beta becomes β in html. My comment on Greek letters is that the prompts do not tell about Greek letters. I had to use Google to find out about %beta in open office. I suspect there are those who will not be able to figure it out. Howard
RE: html code generated from Open Office
Just a short note about tables in paragraphs, ... -- replying below to -- From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) [mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:41 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office [ ... ] I also remember seeing emails about trouble with Open Office Math. >From using it, it looks like LaTex code. Well, it looks a little like TeX, but it isn't TeX. It goes back to how StarMath was conceived. Regina can provide much more about that. Editing Open Office Writer in Word and saving it in .odt format, the LaTex code gets changed. It would be nice if we added an insert a “Greek letter” as a Math options panel. If anyone wants to redo it, I know how to write math expressions using native html. Basically I use an (inline) table to hold all the symbols. I do realize that currently Open Office cannot have a table in the middle of a paragraph. However, I think we can sneak in a construct. In the ODF Schema, table elements are text-content, not paragraph-content. There are ways to introduce text content in certain paragraph-content elements, such as with text frames. If you want to roam around in the schema, this might be fun for you: <http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/05/n140504f.htm>. However, I think using MathML and full Unicode for symbols may be better in that particular case. Howard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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I’d like to thank everyone for their suggestions. I think I will try Dennis Hamilton’s suggestions first. I will continue my conversion approach for a while just to get a better understanding of what is going on. When I get into the Open Office code, I will also try to look at the copy paste from a browser screen problem. I have done it myself a number of times and have seen more problems than reported. Open Office has trouble when I input an html file I have written, not unexpected. I think JavaScript is especially worrisome, maybe we could convert them to macros. I expect CSS is also a problem. I can adapt to most any computer language, but I will avoid APL (it’s code uses a lot of the Greek alphabet). If I ever fix this task, there is a copy paste from Calc to Writer I’d like to address. Currently, the copy paste ends up as an image in Writer, I’d like to see it changed to a table. The functions (macro anyone?) would get lost, but they are lost anyway now. I also remember seeing emails about trouble with Open Office Math. >From using it, it looks like LaTex code. Editing Open Office Writer in Word and saving it in .odt format, the LaTex code gets changed. It would be nice if we added an insert a “Greek letter” as a Math options panel. If anyone wants to redo it, I know how to write math expressions using native html. Basically I use an (inline) table to hold all the symbols. I do realize that currently Open Office cannot have a table in the middle of a paragraph. However, I think we can sneak in a construct. Howard
Re: html code generated from Open Office
On 06/01/2015 Regina Henschel wrote: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) schrieb: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. ... OpenOffice has the ability to execute XSLT. Please open a text document and then try File > Export > type XHTML. You get a nice XHTML document. The shortcoming is, that it currently only supports simple structures, and that it is only for export, and import is missing. Goto Tools > XML Filter Settings. That is the manager for XSLT filters. Find the XHTML XSLT files themselves in folder program/share/xslt/export/xhtml. Improving this XHTML filter might fit better to your interests. Regina wrote it much better, but this is what I meant when I wrote that you could "hack the conversion files". See my FOSDEM slides for more (link in my other message) and if you go this way I can probably give you some further hints. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Hi Howard, Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) schrieb: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. Writer/Web is currently not maintained. For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by Open Office OpenOffice generates bad HTML using Writer/Web. and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations are in Readme.txt I would not go that way. I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. If you will improve the Writer/Web module, you need indeed work directly on the code. But if you do not like C++ coding and the effort of building your own OpenOffice, there are alternatives. OpenOffice has the ability to execute XSLT. Please open a text document and then try File > Export > type XHTML. You get a nice XHTML document. The shortcoming is, that it currently only supports simple structures, and that it is only for export, and import is missing. Goto Tools > XML Filter Settings. That is the manager for XSLT filters. Find the XHTML XSLT files themselves in folder program/share/xslt/export/xhtml. Improving this XHTML filter might fit better to your interests. I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf ? There will never be an "update" and it is not relevant for your purpose. It is the format, which belongs to the sxw (sxc, sxm, ...) files. That is the format OpenOffice1.1 had used, before ODF exists. OpenOffice uses ODF1.2 now, you have got some details already. Here the link to the specs https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I will retain most of it the first time. Other thoughts: What about using "flat ODF1.2" (no container, but all in one file) directly and provide and add style sheets for the browsers? Or look, what the project http://webodf.org does, or other similar projects. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/01/2015 Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) wrote: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. Good! There a number of valid points in your ZIP file. There are also several possible ways to produce HTML from within OpenOffice, which do different things, so you should specify what operation you are going to improve (I assume that you are using, in Writer, File - Save As - HTML; but File - Export gives you a different one if you installed it in your system). I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them The source code is indeed quite big and monolithic, but you could simply hack the conversion files. See https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/improving_the_xhtml_export_filter/ for more (note: video is from a test, it's not even me in the video; use the slides). And please come back with any doubts. We can probably reuse the concepts from your ZIP file, but they must be adapted. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: html code generated from Open Office
You need to download and read the OASIS ODF Specification. Since you are interested specifically in Writer, you might as well start with ODF 1.1 (a single document). You can get all of the bits at http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.1/OS/. The ODT file is a Zip file that has multiple parts of the document as XML files within the Zip. You can see such a file by renaming it. E.g., rename test.odt to test.odt.zip and open it as a Zip. Then rename it back. The specification for OpenOffice 1.0 XML format does not apply to any version of OpenOffice since ODF was adopted and implemented. Also, the special Office Writer Web format is not singled out in the ODF specification. What I suggest you do is make test documents and save them as HTML Document (OpenOffice Writer) and see what is produced. Also, open such a document in Writer to see how it comes up. The latest specification is ODF 1.2. It is much larger and only Part 1 and Part 3 apply to Writer. (Part 2 is all about spreadsheet formulas.) You also might want to take a look at the new Corinthia project which is interested in document conversions using HTML as an intermediary. - Dennis From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) [mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 20:36 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: html code generated from Open Office The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by Open Office and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations are in Readme.txt I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf ? I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I will retain most of it the first time. Howard Morris
