RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 6:13 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 13.09.20 um 17:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:19 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > > >> OK, then you wanted to start a new thread. However, it > >> doesn't make any > >> difference as the formulation is still not suitable. > > > > Because of a spelling mistake? Then I can leave the project > right away, because I cannot promise error-free spelling. > > no, because the subject text doesn't make sense for the thread. I don't know why you say that. In any case the thread does not violate any rules. > >>>> The ASF doesn't care if there is a spelling error in texts > >>>> that one of > >>>> their countless projects is doing. J > >>> > >>> really? > >> > >> Yes > > > > Where can I find information about this? > > OK, do what you want but don't bother me with useless details. Thanks for this answer which makes me understand how your previous "Yes" is to be understood. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 13.09.20 um 17:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:19 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project OK, then you wanted to start a new thread. However, it doesn't make any difference as the formulation is still not suitable. Because of a spelling mistake? Then I can leave the project right away, because I cannot promise error-free spelling. no, because the subject text doesn't make sense for the thread. The ASF doesn't care if there is a spelling error in texts that one of their countless projects is doing. J really? Yes Where can I find information about this? OK, do what you want but don't bother me with useless details. For me it's EOM. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:19 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > OK, then you wanted to start a new thread. However, it > doesn't make any > difference as the formulation is still not suitable. Because of a spelling mistake? Then I can leave the project right away, because I cannot promise error-free spelling. > >> The ASF doesn't care if there is a spelling error in texts > >> that one of > >> their countless projects is doing. J > > > > really? > > Yes Where can I find information about this? Please keep in mind the difference between opinion and fact, because I don't think there will be an explicit rule for this, so you can (as I suspect) only orientate yourself on discussions, which might already exist. > > I think that unity makes us strong and that a little > uniformity in formal things also underlines that we all feel > as part of the ASF community. > > > > However, I will try to discuss exactly this detail to find > out what the general opinion is about it within the ASF community. > > (This is why I asked for the 'mailing list for all projects'). > > Fell free to waste your time to get the point for this > single-character-problem. OK. > But please think of the value-add > you can get > our of this solution: > > - Either I'm right and you will see from others that the ASF doesn't > carry about this problem. > - Or I'm wrong and you will find some people that do care. A problem of the ASF I absolutely cannot see in this context. I am missing an information and I want to ask for this information. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 12.09.20 um 09:12 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:26 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 11.09.20 um 10:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:06 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 10.09.20 um 09:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to reach with this? I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange procedure to discuss spelling. [...] Marcus, things are much easier than you think. I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the spelling "open-source" caught my eye. but you make it s complicated. No, I don't do that ... I think you don't imagine how your mails come across to others and how the mails could be understood by others. Thanks for this hint Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) That is my feeling when I read your mail. How can I avoid this impression without giving up my opinion? What I see as a problem is something completely different, namely that there is less and less joint discussion, but the discussion is replaced by "deals", which are called 'I don't criticize your actions if you don't criticize my actions' ... but this leads to a juxtaposition and to mediocrity (imho). I myself perceive criticism as something constructive, as something that lays the foundation for improvement and not as something negative. it starts with the mail subject: There is no need to change I did _not_ change the subject, but opened a new topic. (If I had changed the subject I would have used "was:...") OK, then you wanted to start a new thread. However, it doesn't make any difference as the formulation is still not suitable. The ASF doesn't care if there is a spelling error in texts that one of their countless projects is doing. J really? Yes I think that unity makes us strong and that a little uniformity in formal things also underlines that we all feel as part of the ASF community. However, I will try to discuss exactly this detail to find out what the general opinion is about it within the ASF community. (This is why I asked for the 'mailing list for all projects'). Fell free to waste your time to get the point for this single-character-problem. But please think of the value-add you can get our of this solution: - Either I'm right and you will see from others that the ASF doesn't carry about this problem. - Or I'm wrong and you will find some people that do care. In any case the outcome is worth less than 2 ct. So, is it really worth for you to follow this way any longer? ;-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 12.09.20 um 09:37 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project This is about the subject line, not the content. right, i have understood Marcus in the same way It should be "we are an ASF-project". now I see it, too. I haven't seen it as I wrote my former mail. It was indeed more about the new subject instead of this typo. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:53 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > On 9/12/2020 12:46 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > >> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:36 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Thanks, but I'm afraid my Enlish is not getting any better. > I am linguistically untalented, not only regarding English. > > You are a lot more linguistically talented than I am. not me, but: www.deepl.com J Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are an ASF-project
On 09-12-2020 12:14 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 9/12/2020 12:37 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Patricia, -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project This is about the subject line, not the content. right, i have understood Marcus in the same way It should be "we are an ASF-project". Excuse me, is it about the difference between "a" and "an"? If so, then I must say: I don't think Marcus meant this spelling mistake, because he was talking about _changing_ subject. If he did mean it, I wonder why, because my posts are certainly full of spelling mistakes all the time, so this single mistake can't have any special relevance. As far as I can tell - I have not been following the thread - my objection to the substitution of "a" for "an" before a vowel sound has nothing to do with any content. It is just a frustration with seeing the same error over and over again. There. Fixed. - Michele - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
On 9/12/2020 12:37 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Patricia, -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project This is about the subject line, not the content. right, i have understood Marcus in the same way It should be "we are an ASF-project". Excuse me, is it about the difference between "a" and "an"? If so, then I must say: I don't think Marcus meant this spelling mistake, because he was talking about _changing_ subject. If he did mean it, I wonder why, because my posts are certainly full of spelling mistakes all the time, so this single mistake can't have any special relevance. As far as I can tell - I have not been following the thread - my objection to the substitution of "a" for "an" before a vowel sound has nothing to do with any content. It is just a frustration with seeing the same error over and over again. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
On 9/12/2020 12:46 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:36 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project On 9/12/2020 12:20 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: This is about the subject line, not the content. I don't usually do spelling and grammar, but that seems to be the main content. As a native English speaker, that subject line makes me cringe every time I see it. It should be "we are an ASF-project". Here's some documentation: Oxford English Dictionary entry for "a, adj". "Inflections: Before a vowel sound an ..." Thanks, but I'm afraid my Enlish is not getting any better. I am linguistically untalented, not only regarding English. You are a lot more linguistically talented than I am. I can struggle through reading French, know a little Latin, and have picked up some Spanish, especially words and phrases used on public signs and menus, just by living in a bilingual area. Otherwise, I am the classic monolingual English speaker. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:36 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > > > On 9/12/2020 12:20 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > This is about the subject line, not the content. I don't usually do > > spelling and grammar, but that seems to be the main > content. As a native > > English speaker, that subject line makes me cringe every > time I see it. > > > > It should be "we are an ASF-project". > > Here's some documentation: Oxford English Dictionary entry > for "a, adj". > "Inflections: Before a vowel sound an ..." Thanks, but I'm afraid my Enlish is not getting any better. I am linguistically untalented, not only regarding English. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
Hello Patricia, > -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:20 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > This is about the subject line, not the content. right, i have understood Marcus in the same way > It should be "we are an ASF-project". Excuse me, is it about the difference between "a" and "an"? If so, then I must say: I don't think Marcus meant this spelling mistake, because he was talking about _changing_ subject. If he did mean it, I wonder why, because my posts are certainly full of spelling mistakes all the time, so this single mistake can't have any special relevance. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
On 9/12/2020 12:20 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: This is about the subject line, not the content. I don't usually do spelling and grammar, but that seems to be the main content. As a native English speaker, that subject line makes me cringe every time I see it. It should be "we are an ASF-project". Here's some documentation: Oxford English Dictionary entry for "a, adj". "Inflections: Before a vowel sound an ..." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
This is about the subject line, not the content. I don't usually do spelling and grammar, but that seems to be the main content. As a native English speaker, that subject line makes me cringe every time I see it. It should be "we are an ASF-project". - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:26 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 11.09.20 um 10:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:06 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >> > >> Am 10.09.20 um 09:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM > >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >>>> > >>>> Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>>>> -Original Message- > >>>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM > >>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>>>>>> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > >>>>>>>> discussed in June. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its > >>>>>> projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do > >>>> you want to > >>>>>> reach with this? > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't > >>>> achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion > >> is closed. > >>>>> > >>>>> I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange > >>>> procedure to discuss spelling. > >>>>> > >>>>> [...] > >>>>> > >>>>> Marcus, things are much easier than you think. > >>>>> > >>>>> I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. > >>>> "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far > >>>> less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the > >>>> spelling "open-source" caught my eye. > >>>> > >>>> but you make it s complicated. > >>> > >>> No, I don't do that ... > >> > >> I think you don't imagine how your mails come across to > >> others and how > >> the mails could be understood by others. > > > > Thanks for this hint > > > >>> Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) > >> > >> That is my feeling when I read your mail. > > > > How can I avoid this impression without giving up my opinion? > > > > What I see as a problem is something completely different, > namely that there is less and less joint discussion, but the > discussion is replaced by "deals", which are called 'I don't > criticize your actions if you don't criticize my actions' ... > but this leads to a juxtaposition and to mediocrity (imho). > > > > I myself perceive criticism as something constructive, as > something that lays the foundation for improvement and not as > something negative. > > it starts with the mail subject: > > There is no need to change I did _not_ change the subject, but opened a new topic. (If I had changed the subject I would have used "was:...") And I did this because in other places, I am regularly asked to open new threads in case of doubt, in order not to mix up anything. (By the way, if we want to discuss questions of netiquette, I would be very glad, because the compliance with general netiquette on this list here is very bad. e.g. the list is drowning in "tofu" in places so that an efficient use is not possible.) > With your formulation "So you think it is in the interest of the ASF > ..." you imply that someone declines to correct an error and > therefore > is doing something bad. I ask (indirectly) whether the person believes to have made a mistake at all. > " > I suggest to change the text of "open-source"
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 11.09.20 um 10:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:06 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 10.09.20 um 09:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to reach with this? I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange procedure to discuss spelling. [...] Marcus, things are much easier than you think. I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the spelling "open-source" caught my eye. but you make it s complicated. No, I don't do that ... I think you don't imagine how your mails come across to others and how the mails could be understood by others. Thanks for this hint Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) That is my feeling when I read your mail. How can I avoid this impression without giving up my opinion? What I see as a problem is something completely different, namely that there is less and less joint discussion, but the discussion is replaced by "deals", which are called 'I don't criticize your actions if you don't criticize my actions' ... but this leads to a juxtaposition and to mediocrity (imho). I myself perceive criticism as something constructive, as something that lays the foundation for improvement and not as something negative. it starts with the mail subject: There is no need to change it and it doesn't belong to this mail thread. And everybody knows that we are a project of the ASF. There is also no need to remind us of this fact. With your formulation "So you think it is in the interest of the ASF ..." you imply that someone declines to correct an error and therefore is doing something bad. To give you an example that shows a more constructive feedback: So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? " I suggest to change the text of "open-source" in the logo to remove the dash as I think it's a spelling error. I'm not a native speaker but when looking at other places in other ASF projects it looks like it should be "open source". Furthermore, when searching at Google: "open source has 158,000,00 hits "open-source has just 3,570,00 hits " Yes, it's longer than yours. However, it delivers also some facts. BTW: The ASF doesn't care if there is a spelling error in texts that one of their countless projects is doing. ;-) PS: And as always, this is just my opinion and my 2 ct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:06 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 10.09.20 um 09:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >> > >> Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM > >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >>>> > >>>> Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>>>> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > >>>>>> discussed in June. > >>>>> > >>>>> So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its > >>>> projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > >>>> > >>>> I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do > >> you want to > >>>> reach with this? > >>> > >>> I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't > >> achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion > is closed. > >>> > >>> I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange > >> procedure to discuss spelling. > >>> > >>> [...] > >>> > >>> Marcus, things are much easier than you think. > >>> > >>> I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. > >> "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far > >> less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the > >> spelling "open-source" caught my eye. > >> > >> but you make it s complicated. > > > > No, I don't do that ... > > I think you don't imagine how your mails come across to > others and how > the mails could be understood by others. Thanks for this hint > > Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) > > That is my feeling when I read your mail. How can I avoid this impression without giving up my opinion? What I see as a problem is something completely different, namely that there is less and less joint discussion, but the discussion is replaced by "deals", which are called 'I don't criticize your actions if you don't criticize my actions' ... but this leads to a juxtaposition and to mediocrity (imho). I myself perceive criticism as something constructive, as something that lays the foundation for improvement and not as something negative. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 10.09.20 um 09:55 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to reach with this? I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange procedure to discuss spelling. [...] Marcus, things are much easier than you think. I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the spelling "open-source" caught my eye. but you make it s complicated. No, I don't do that ... I think you don't imagine how your mails come across to others and how the mails could be understood by others. Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) That is my feeling when I read your mail. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:06 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > >> > >> Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > >>>> discussed in June. > >>> > >>> So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its > >> projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > >> > >> I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do > you want to > >> reach with this? > > > > I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't > achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. > > > > I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange > procedure to discuss spelling. > > > > [...] > > > > Marcus, things are much easier than you think. > > > > I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. > "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far > less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the > spelling "open-source" caught my eye. > > but you make it s complicated. No, I don't do that and that I don't do that is already evident from the fact that I first cast my vote (which formally closed the whole thing) and only then made the remark about the "-". Did you really think it was right to accuse me of "provocation"(?) I understand very well that time is short (of all participants), I just don't think it is appropriate to react angry to every unforeseen speech. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 09.09.20 um 20:39 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to reach with this? I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange procedure to discuss spelling. [...] Marcus, things are much easier than you think. I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the spelling "open-source" caught my eye. but you make it s complicated. Also the lenght of your mail is not suitable just to express that a single character - the dash ( - ) - is in your eye too much or not correct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:21 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 09.09.20 um 20:15 schrieb Marcus: > > Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > >>> discussed in June. > >> > >> So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of > its projects > >> uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > > > > I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do > you want to > > reach with this? > > > > The ASF is an international organization. IMHO for the most people > > English not their native language. So, there will be always language > > problems. Therefore I'm sure that - in this case - the ASF > is not that > > nitpicking as others. ;-) > > Besides, we already have discussed this, see: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg38219.html thanks for this information. My comment is a question: did really nobody notice the "adjective" in https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/open-source? Does anyone think that the use in "open-source for 20 Years" is really "adjective"? imho for exemple: the use in "open-source office for 20 years" would be adjective, but this case is not present. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: we are a ASF-project
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:15 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: we are a ASF-project > > Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > >> discussed in June. > > > > So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its > projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > > I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to > reach with this? I don't want to achieve anything with it, because I can't achieve anything formally with it, because the discussion is closed. I just point out to all of us that it seems to me a strange procedure to discuss spelling. I had also provided prominent examples that show that the spelling that is normally used in the English-speaking world is "open source". I did this to make it clear that _if_ the correct spelling could be disputed at all, it seems reasonable to me to use the usual spelling. > The ASF is an international organization. IMHO for the most people > English not their native language. So, there will be always language > problems. Right, but that is not the problem at this point. > Therefore I'm sure that - in this case - the ASF is > not that > nitpicking as others. J This is correct. Marcus, things are much easier than you think. I know that in German the spelling of "Open Source" vs. "Open-Source" vs. "OpenSource" is quite controversial. Far less is (or: seems to me) controversial in English and so the spelling "open-source" caught my eye. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 09.09.20 um 20:15 schrieb Marcus: > Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been >>> discussed in June. >> >> So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects >> uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? > > I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to > reach with this? > > The ASF is an international organization. IMHO for the most people > English not their native language. So, there will be always language > problems. Therefore I'm sure that - in this case - the ASF is not that > nitpicking as others. ;-) Besides, we already have discussed this, see: https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg38219.html Regards, Matthias > > BTW: > When I follow your own claim then your subject is also not free of > errors. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: we are a ASF-project
Am 09.09.20 um 20:00 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? I understand your statement as a provocation. So, what do you want to reach with this? The ASF is an international organization. IMHO for the most people English not their native language. So, there will be always language problems. Therefore I'm sure that - in this case - the ASF is not that nitpicking as others. ;-) BTW: When I follow your own claim then your subject is also not free of errors. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
we are a ASF-project
> Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been > discussed in June. So you think it is in the interest of the ASF if one of its projects uses a different spelling than the ASF itself? Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
