RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hello Juergen, I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. Best Regards, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Allen, please calm down. It is useless to end up conversations in that way. Can you please let us know what you feel the problem is? And sorry, but as a long time independent contributor of OOo, please be aware that not all of us here share your opinion on Sun, the JCA, etc. best, Charles. Allen Pulsifer a écrit : Hello Juergen, I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. Best Regards, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hi Allen, Allen Pulsifer wrote (9-10-2007 11:53) : I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. I can imagine that the tone Juergen started with, wasn't the most tactical and that you didn't like it. It was probably coming from some tension or frustration, he talks about in the rest of his friendly and polite message ;-) A pity that you didn't read it. Regards, Cor -- Cor Nouws Arnhem - Netherlands nl.OpenOffice.org - marketing contact - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large proportion of people comes from few companies. The problem is always the same. IMHO our project is likely definable as big companies project with an end-user community collaboration. What I would like to see is the project transformed in a really free software community project with companies collaboration, maybe with a sort of hybridization model. Even IMHO this is the main reason because our community doesn't grow as they should. I think is time to change some rules. The model is showing his limits. What are, at the moment, the proposals to solve such problem and open our project to external contributions also in term of management? A geological era ago (in 2001) someone proposed the creation of a foundation. http://www.openoffice.org/white_papers/OOo_project/openofficefoundation.html This argument has been discussed privately every year. Is it time maybe to rivive this discussion? Davide Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi Davide, i think [3] is a special thing and we all agree that it is a sad story. We should exactly identify what the problems were and should start to work on them. Does they still exists? Or have some things already changed. [2] is more or less around the JCA where i don't see that a further discussion make sense. If you want to start a discussion around community and community work i would suggest that you should clearly communicate your concerns. List all your concerns in detail and ideally suggest ways how we can improve it. I am sure that we are all open to discuss these points with you. What i personally don't like to do is a general discussion on a level where we talk more about politics than about real community work on a great product. Well a lot of things can be improved and i think we are working already on it. Bring up your concrete concerns and let us discuss Juergen Davide Dozza wrote: Hi all, some days ago I launched a stone into the water. I posted some consideration [1] about the OOoCon and more in general about our community. It seems that things don't happen alone. After the Michael Meeks announce [2] following the Kohei [3] post I think there is something to discuss about our community and how they should evolve. In fact it seems clear to me that the actual community rules, and more in general about how the project is managed, are not anymore suitable to manage what the Community asks. I'm deliberating using two terms, community and Community, because I think there is a common misinterpretation about what a community is. Hoping this start a constructive discussion, Ciao Davide [1] http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/10/02/openofficeorg-conference-2007-some-thoughts/ [2] http://www.gnome.org/~michael/activity.html#2007-10-02 [3] http://kohei.us/2007/10/02/history-of-calc-solver/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large proportion of people comes from few companies. The problem is always the same. IMHO our project is likely definable as big companies project with an end-user community collaboration. What I would like to see is the project transformed in a really free software community project with companies collaboration, maybe with a sort of hybridization model. Even IMHO this is the main reason because our community doesn't grow as they should. I think is time to change some rules. The model is showing his limits. What are, at the moment, the proposals to solve such problem and open our project to external contributions also in term of management? A geological era ago (in 2001) someone proposed the creation of a foundation. http://www.openoffice.org/white_papers/OOo_project/openofficefoundation.html This argument has been discussed privately every year. Is it time maybe to rivive this discussion? Davide Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi Davide, i think [3] is a special thing and we all agree that it is a sad story. We should exactly identify what the problems were and should start to work on them. Does they still exists? Or have some things already changed. [2] is more or less around the JCA where i don't see that a further discussion make sense. If you want to start a discussion around community and community work i would suggest that you should clearly communicate your concerns. List all your concerns in detail and ideally suggest ways how we can improve it. I am sure that we are all open to discuss these points with you. What i personally don't like to do is a general discussion on a level where we talk more about politics than about real community work on a great product. Well a lot of things can be improved and i think we are working already on it. Bring up your concrete concerns and let us discuss Juergen Davide Dozza wrote: Hi all, some days ago I launched a stone into the water. I posted some consideration [1] about the OOoCon and more in general about our community. It seems that things don't happen alone. After the Michael Meeks announce [2] following the Kohei [3] post I think there is something to discuss about our community and how they should evolve. In fact it seems clear to me that the actual community rules, and more in general about how the project is managed, are not anymore suitable to manage what the Community asks. I'm deliberating using two terms, community and Community, because I think there is a common misinterpretation about what a community is. Hoping this start a constructive discussion, Ciao Davide [1] http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/10/02/openofficeorg-conference-2007-some-thoughts/ [2] http://www.gnome.org/~michael/activity.html#2007-10-02 [3] http://kohei.us/2007/10/02/history-of-calc-solver/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev] Want To Help
I want to help, but am not sure where to start. Here's my dev experience - please let me know what I can do... QuickBasic (DOS) - started in 1995 Visual Basic (5 6) - until 2001 VB.Net - Current C# - Current HTML - until 2006 XAML - Current C C++ - Some knowledge SQL Server - Some knowledge I'm currently a Lead Software Engineer (a team lead) for a Fortune 500 Company who has been a developer since 1995. What I don't know, I can learn... Thank You, Robert
[dev] Question: How to add formatID to OpenOfficeWriter?
Hi developers, I'm Gerhard from www.00easytracker.org. I want to use OpenOffice as core for a new requirements engeneering software. (You'll find a dessign scetch of the project here: http://www.ooeasytracker.org/tikiwiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=7) Therfore I would like to know how to add formatID to OpenOffice text. This formatID shall be the means to link information snippets. So if the user finds a piece of information in a OpenOffice document, he can attach an unique ID to this section and with this ID he can link it to another piece of information within the same or another document. Here the detailed requirements: 1) I want to be able to select a piece of text within OpenOfficeWriter and attach an invisible formatID to it. 2) This formatID shall not show its self in OpenOfficeWriter but be present in the documents ODF file. 3) It shall be possible to assign different formatID's to overlapping text sections. 4) It shall be possible to assign a formatID to a subsection of text that has already a formatID 5) It shall be possible to search for text that has this formatID 6) The formatID shall be a alphanumeric string with white spaces 7) The new function does not show its self to the user in OpenOffice but it will be called by the java application that embeddes the OpenOffice document 8) I want to code in Java, if possible and I want to use the UNO bridge 9) The new feature shall be a plugin to OpenOffice and it shall not be necessary to build a new OpenOffice every time a new version gets released I could use the hyperlink format as a workarround. I would only use the Name field and leave the URL field empty. But this solution does not fullfill requirement 4,5 and 5. There are workarrounds for that too, which might work fine with short documents, but probbably not with long ones. Is there anybody arround who is able and willing to help? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hello Mathias, There is a lot of PR in this issue floating around the internet these days, most of it coming from Sun. Its clear to me that the goal of this PR is to maintain the status quo, i.e., ensure that contributions to the project keep coming in, and that the contributors sign the JCA or its successor the SCA that assign copyrights to Sun. I think both Sun and the project are poorly served by both the JCA/SCA and the current PR campaign. For starters, I think the JCA/SCA discourages contributions. I myself would not sign the JCA/SCA assigning copyright for anything but the most trivial code, and as we have seen, neither will Kohei and I'm sure neither will many other developers. Sun can try to spin it a different way or try to sell us on the JCA/SCA, but for many developers, you are not going to succeed. I have carefully read all of the rationale for the JCA/SCA, including the most recent blog post from Simon Phipps at http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/sca_r_office. In my opinion, none of these rational hold water. The same things could be accomplished by asking contributors to assign joint copyright to a non-profit foundation rather than to Sun. The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open source projects) [the JCA] also allows the original donor to offer commercial offerings, thus ensuring the project continues to have engagement funded by its major participants. I myself to not begrudge Sun its efforts to maintain a commercial version of OOo. Again however, the same thing could be accomplished with code that is under the LGPL. In other words, a Foundation chartered to maintain the copyrights in OOo could insist that all contributions included in the official OOo build be licensed under the LGPL, and this would be sufficient to allow Sun to continue producing and distributing StarOffice. The alternatives I see here are just what I mentioned in my prior post. If Sun continues to insist that all copyrights be assigned to it, then alternative methods of contributing will be created. These alternative methods might include alternate distributions or forks that accept pure LGPL code, or possibly even GPL code or code under other licenses. This I think is inevitable. In my opinion, the best course of action for Sun is to set up a Foundation to hold joint copyrights from contributors. That at least gives Sun a chance to negotiate for all contributions to be licensed under the LGPL. If Sun does not do that, you might find some future contributions are offered only under the GPL, and Sun would not be able to use these in StarOffice. The much better arrangement for Sun, I think, is to try to keep all contributions under the LGPL. I offer this suggestion as something to think about. In the meantime, I would like to make one comment. Kohei is the author of the solver code and owns the copyright. He has the absolute legal and moral right to determine the terms of his contribution. He has extremely generously offered this code to the world under the LGPL. The LGPL is a fine open source license. It allows virtually unrestricted use of the code, for free, while guaranteeing that any derivatives also remain free. It embodies some of the best aspects of the open source movement. I find it very admirable and commendable that Kohei has so generously offered to make his code available under the LGPL, and I find nothing to criticize in this decision. Recently however I have read some rather disturbing comments on the internet that Kohei is somehow a bad person for offering his code under the LGPL, and furthermore, the only way for him to become a good person is to sign a legal document that assigns copyright to Sun Microsystems. This I believe is unprecedented in the open source movement. Is that what we have come to, that a person who offers code under the LGPL is subject to criticism? That if he refuses to sign over his copyright to a proprietary product then he is somehow a bad person. I am quite frankly, amazed, stupefied, flabbergasted--at a total loss for words--by the recent comments I have read. In the part of the world where I come from, it is very common for code to be offered under dual licenses. An open source license such as the GPL is offered for free, and a standard commercial license is offered for a fee to companies who want to use the code in a closed-source commercial product. Companies that want to use the code under the commercial license simply pay the fee, and then they have that right. Specifically with respect to Kohei's solver code, Sun has stated that it will have to be completely rewritten by someone else, with copyright held by Sun, in order to be included in OpenOffice.org. Taking that statement at face value, it appears then that Sun is willing to spend $50,000 plus in engineering time just to have a solver that it holds the copyright for, as
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hi Allen, please apology my beginning, it seems that it was the wrong beginning because you haven't read the whole message ;-). But if you would know me you would also know that i always say or write what i am thinking. I am always very direct and sometimes people feel uncomfortable with that but on the other hand i don't beat around the bush. So if you are interested to read the whole message, send me an email and i will forward the original message to you directly. Juergen Allen Pulsifer wrote: Hello Juergen, I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. Best Regards, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] OLE, Source code generation and reflection ... the boring story ...
Marten Feldtmann wrote: What a nonsense ... the BASIC program is the following and I think, that it does pretty much the same as done in climaker IIRC, at least a long time ago there were problems with createTypeDescriptionEnumeration and particular arguments to it. Did you experiment whether using other arguments (an explicit module name, an empty valueArray, 1 instead of -1) helps? Sorry I cannot remember more details, or even an issue ID. Either that, or some quirk of the Basic--UNO binding? -Stephan REM * BASIC * Sub Main MyReflectionTest End Sub Sub MyReflectionTest Dim oTypeDescriptionProvider as Object Dim enumeration as Object Dim typeDescription as object dim valueArray(0) dim level valueArray(0) = com.sun.star.uno.TypeClass.SERVICE oTypeDescriptionProvider = CreateUnoService( com.sun.star.reflection.TypeDescriptionProvider ) if not IsNull(oTypeDescriptionProvider) then enumeration = oTypeDescriptionProvider.createTypeDescriptionEnumeration(, valueArray, -1) if not isNull(enumeration) then do while (enumeration.hasMoreElements) typeDescription = enumeration.nextTypeDescription MsgBox typeDescription.dbg_methodsloop endif endif End Sub - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] OLE, Source code generation and reflection ... the boring story ...
Stephan Bergmann schrieb: Marten Feldtmann wrote: What a nonsense ... the BASIC program is the following and I think, that it does pretty much the same as done in climaker IIRC, at least a long time ago there were problems with createTypeDescriptionEnumeration and particular arguments to it. Did you experiment whether using other arguments (an explicit module name, an empty valueArray, 1 instead of -1) helps? Sorry I cannot remember more details, or even an issue ID. After asking google I found out, that such a discussion was hold around Juli 2005 with the same content between you and Arnulf Wiedemann. I'm just reading it, what that all means ... Marten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] OLE, Source code generation and reflection ... the boring story ...
And Jürgen Schmidt answered this question around August-2005. Here is the corrected code for the problem .. Sub MyReflectionTest Dim enumeration as Object Dim typeDescription as object dim valueArray(0) dim level valueArray(0) = com.sun.star.uno.TypeClass.SERVICE servicemgr = getProcessServiceManager() tdmgr = servicemgr.DefaultContext.getValueByName(/singletons/com.sun.star.reflection.theTypeDescriptionManager) if not IsNull(tdmgr) then enumeration = tdmgr.createTypeDescriptionEnumeration(com.sun.star.reflection, valueArray, 1) if not isNull(enumeration) then do while (enumeration.hasMoreElements) typeDescription = enumeration.nextTypeDescription MsgBox typeDescription.name loop endif endif End Sub - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Caolan McNamara wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open source projects) [the JCA] also allows the original donor to offer commercial offerings, thus ensuring the project continues to have engagement funded by its major participants. What might be concerning Sun is that a foundation owning the copyright to OOo code, even one that has an explicit mechanism to allow major contributors to continue to make commercial closed source versions of OOo, would probably remove the ability of Sun to unilaterally sub-licence StarOffice under a proprietary license to other co-operations either for profit or as a major bargaining chip for the promotion of other products. well making some profit with OpenOffice.org or a product based on OpenOffice.org is really helpful to pay all the developers on the project ;-) I don't know the details, i assume Sun spend more money on the project than they make profit with StarOffice. It's better that i don't know the details otherwise i would might be looking for a new job because i couldn't be sure that my job is safe. Ok i am joking i know that Sun does not simply claim that they are believe in open source and that they are committed to the OpenOffice.org project and other open source projects as well. Anyway but Sun is not the only company that is making profit (or not) with a product based on OpenOffice.org. Sun does it with StarOffice where everybody can see the 1:1 relation between both products. There are other products/brands like Oxygenoffice or EuroOffice where the office might be free but the brand is used to bring it in relation to companies that want to sell some services/extensions around the product. That's fine but should be taken into account. RedFlag has it's own brand in China - again a clear 1:1 relation. Novell makes profit with there Desktop product and oh wonder the main application that make the whole product interesting is what? *OpenOffice.org* correct. I agree that it is no 1:1 relation and maybe that is the reason why i always and only hear Sun is making money with StarOffice. A further example is IBM with LotusNotes or Symphony where you also can't see a 1:1 relation as well. I am not sure how often RedHat Linux is used and sold on the Desktop. But again OpenOffice.org is probably a key selling point for Desktop users. There are probably more and that's fine because every brand helps to promote the office suite and of course our OpenDocument format. The second point you have mentioned is the promotion of other products. I assume that you mean the Google bundling of StarOffice with their Google desktop (or something else?). Google had probably there reasons why they wanted StarOffice and not OpenOffice.org. Anyway it's not so important from my point of view. Important and really cool is that we can reach a lot of potential new users of StarOffice. And as i mentioned before, every StarOffice user helps to promote OpenDocument or at least come in touch with it and see that alternatives to MS exists. From my point of view it's cool when products can benefit from each other. And i personally would like to see more of these collaborations independent of they are based on StarOffice or OpenOffice.org or another brand. No that is not 100% correct, i would like to see more based on OpenOffice.org because it's the most popular brand ;-) Juergen C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev] odb file format
Hi, I posted to OOForums a little enquiry about how you are accessing HSQL files in the zipped .odb file. I'm writing some standalone java code to access an odb file. I've seen plenty examples in the SDK for calls to an instance of UNO, but can this be done with reference to a self contained jar? Otherwise I just had some simple questions such as what is happening with the zipping, like how you appear to have hsql locking and reading directly from the zip. http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=63692 Many thanks. Hope this is an appropriate place to post. regards, andy harrison - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 16:26 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Caolan McNamara wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open source projects) [the JCA] also allows the original donor to offer commercial offerings, thus ensuring the project continues to have engagement funded by its major participants. What might be concerning Sun is that a foundation owning the copyright to OOo code, even one that has an explicit mechanism to allow major contributors to continue to make commercial closed source versions of OOo, would probably remove the ability of Sun to unilaterally sub-licence StarOffice under a proprietary license to other co-operations either for profit or as a major bargaining chip for the promotion of other products. well making some profit with OpenOffice.org or a product based on OpenOffice.org is really helpful to pay all the developers on the project ;-) I don't know the details, i assume Sun spend more money on the project than they make profit with StarOffice. Anyway but Sun is not the only company that is making profit (or not) with a product based on OpenOffice.org. Sun does it with StarOffice where everybody can see the 1:1 relation between both products. There are other products/brands like Oxygenoffice or EuroOffice ... Novell makes profit with their Desktop product and oh wonder the main application that make the whole product interesting is what? *OpenOffice.org* correct. ... A further example is IBM with LotusNotes or Symphony where you also can't see a 1:1 relation as well. Sure, and there is no issue with branded versions of OOo, or with making a profit out of OOo, all the companies represented here attempt to make a profit out of it. My point is simply that Sun is the only one of these groups that can re-licence the OOo code-base to third parties outside of provisions of the LGPL, and that's a possible important factor in requiring that ownership of OOo copyright be shared between the author and Sun, rather that between the author and some independent foundation, even if that foundation had an opt-out for e.g. Sun to link non-LGPL code into OOo to create StarOffice. From my point of view it's cool when products can benefit from each other. And i personally would like to see more of these collaborations independent of they are based on StarOffice or OpenOffice.org or another brand. And so do I, and I have no problem with StarOffice itself, Sun has contributed gigantically to OOo, and if they feel a need to link some non-LGPL compatible code into OOo, e.g. due to no suitable replacement or other reasons, in an effort to make a better final product then that's a prerogative I can accept that Sun has earned. My point isn't really around StarOffice. It's that I would feel hard-done by as a contributor to OOo to find my work extended in some *other* third-party applications without that enhancement available back to the community. And Sun can facilitate this by deciding to re-licence it to a third-party in a way that allows them to avoid the LGPL and extend their version of OOo in a proprietary fashion. I could even imagine accepting giving another group an opt-out from the provisions of the LGPL if it was for the greater good of OOo and there was some representative body for OOo which agreed to it, but the current governance does allow Sun to make that decision all on their own, and to reap benefits from doing so which could be totally unrelated to the good of OOo. C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] odb file format
Andy Harrison escribió: I posted to OOForums a little enquiry about how you are accessing HSQL files in the zipped .odb file. Hope this is an appropriate place to post. I'm sure in [EMAIL PROTECTED], the mailing list for development inside the Database Access project, you will be able to ask directly to the project's leader: Frank Schönheit. I'm not sure if he is following this mailing list, but there he always answers with kindness all our mails! Bye and luck! Ariel. -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arielconstenlahaile.com.ar/ooo/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] odb file format
Hi Andy, I posted to OOForums a little enquiry about how you are accessing HSQL files in the zipped .odb file. I'm writing some standalone java code to access an odb file. I've seen plenty examples in the SDK for calls to an instance of UNO, but can this be done with reference to a self contained jar? Otherwise I just had some simple questions such as what is happening with the zipping, like how you appear to have hsql locking and reading directly from the zip. Conceptually, we unzip the files from the .odb (they're all located in the database sub folder of the zip), and let HSQLDB work on those external copies, as if they were a normal file-based database. From time to time (too often to be really unobtrusive, but too seldom to really guarantee your data is there even if you pull the plug just after you entered it), the copies are synced back to the .odb. This is probably also the way you should be going. (Note that technically, it's not exactly like this. Instead, we use a feature of HSQL to use some kind of virtualized file access, and re-route all its file access operations to our .odb-external copies of the files in the database sub folder.) Many thanks. Hope this is an appropriate place to post. Not bad, though Ariel is right with trying to attract you to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this :) Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Base http://dba.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] odb file format
Hi Ariel, I'm sure in [EMAIL PROTECTED], the mailing list for development inside the Database Access project, you will be able to ask directly Thanks for attracting more people to this list ;) to the project's leader: Frank Schönheit. I'm not sure if he is following this mailing list, but there he always answers with kindness all our mails! Oh, and thanks for the flowers! (hoping there is such a proverb in English) Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Base http://dba.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] odb file format
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany escribió: Hi Ariel, I'm sure in [EMAIL PROTECTED], the mailing list for development inside the Database Access project, you will be able to ask directly Thanks for attracting more people to this list ;) to the project's leader: Frank Schönheit. I'm not sure if he is following this mailing list, but there he always answers with kindness all our mails! Oh, and thanks for the flowers! (hoping there is such a proverb in English) well, I do not know if this expresion exists in English (sometimes my English is very me-Tarzan-you-Jane like) but in Spanish (Castilian, better said) it makes completly sense: ¡Gracias por las flores! (vielleicht wie Dank für das Kompliment! - hier muss ich auch sagen: mein Deutsch ist sehr ich-Tarzan-du-Jane! Goethe würde sich im Grab umdrehen!) Bye! Ariel -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arielconstenlahaile.com.ar/ooo/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
