Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
Hi, Le 28 oct. 09 à 15:04, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Bjoern, bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany wrote (26-10-2009 12:59) http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:MainIndex Comments? Good job :-) Taking profit from your discussion with Juergen, I would suggest as main categories: - Development of OpenOffice.org - Development with OpenOffice.org - Marketing - NLC - Project - Wiki Few remarks: - currently, Documentation is both main category and sub category of Project. - currently Performance is both under Development and Project. - API, Extensions should be under Development with OpenOffice.org - ODFToolkit maybe as main category (after all it is http:// odftoolkit.org/ as very main ;-) ) And Education ? Regards, Eric -- qɔᴉɹə
Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
Juergen Schmidt wrote (28-10-2009 15:34) Cor Nouws wrote: Taking profit from your discussion with Juergen, I would suggest as main categories: - Development of OpenOffice.org - Development with OpenOffice.org - Marketing - NLC - Project - Wiki mmh, i am not 100% sure if we should distinguish between developing for or with OOo. We can of course provide a special section that addresses mainly the programming from outside (means macros and extensions) but in general i would not differentiate from the beginning. Many things are the same. As long as it is easy to follow for people working with extensions and macro's, it's fine to me. From an API perspective it's the same. Our API should be and is used internally as well. Keep in mind one and the same API everyhwere. That currently the API is put on top of a longer existing implementation is just an implementation detail ;-) Building functional blocks and combine them via clear defined interfaces ... Ok i know it is a little bit philosophic but that was and i hope still is the main idea behind UNO and the component technology. With ongoing modularization this becomes hopefully even more obvious. Few remarks: - currently, Documentation is both main category and sub category of Project. - currently Performance is both under Development and Project. - API, Extensions should be under Development with OpenOffice.org as long as we have this project view it's fine, it provides just a further way to this categories. But see my comments above ... and see Bjoerns remarks on this in the other mail, etc. Best, Cor -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
Hi List, I tried to add a bit of structure to to the categories used on the Openoffice.org Wiki. I hope the most important ones are now a direct or indirect subcategory of the MainIndex at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:MainIndex Please check, if your category has found a place in the hierarchy, if not, sort it in. In addition, I tried to sort categories in as at least one direct or indirect subcategory of an OpenOffice.org project. This is to help attributing responsibility for pages. Finally, I am proposing to link to [[:Category:MainIndex]] from the frontpage. Hopefully this will aid to keep the Wiki a bit more structured. Comments? Best Regards, Bjoern Michaelsen -- === Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Wolf Frenkel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
Hi Bjoern, it seems to be a good start but probably some more main categories are necessary. But then the question is if we need it at all or if a reworked main page would help to navigate in and through the wiki. I think a common agreement on how to use categories and sub categories would be more helpful. Take a look for example on Tutorials. Clicking on the category shows a lot of tutorials and when you expand the node in the main index you get a sub category Basic:Tutorials. What does it mean, no other tutorials or only a different usage of categories? Looks confusing to me. I miss for example the category Conferences and a related entry in the main index. The same for Marketing. Regards Juergen bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany wrote: Hi List, I tried to add a bit of structure to to the categories used on the Openoffice.org Wiki. I hope the most important ones are now a direct or indirect subcategory of the MainIndex at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:MainIndex Please check, if your category has found a place in the hierarchy, if not, sort it in. In addition, I tried to sort categories in as at least one direct or indirect subcategory of an OpenOffice.org project. This is to help attributing responsibility for pages. Finally, I am proposing to link to [[:Category:MainIndex]] from the frontpage. Hopefully this will aid to keep the Wiki a bit more structured. Comments? Best Regards, Bjoern Michaelsen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:38:44 +0100 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: it seems to be a good start but probably some more main categories are necessary. But then the question is if we need it at all or if a reworked main page would help to navigate in and through the wiki. Without categories, there will be an ever-growing number of obsolete, outdated and orphaned pages. This is not a problem for navigation from the main page, but it will make the search functionality of the wiki more and more useless. I think a common agreement on how to use categories and sub categories would be more helpful. Like: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/SOP/Wiki/Categories http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/SOP/Wiki/New_Wiki_Pages for starters? Yes, I think every new page should be in at least one category that is a project (or a subcategory of a project). Take a look for example on Tutorials. Clicking on the category shows a lot of tutorials and when you expand the node in the main index you get a sub category Basic:Tutorials. What does it mean, no other tutorials or only a different usage of categories? Looks confusing to me. Yeah, right. But I think ordering the categories is the second step, first we will need to get stuff into at least one category and make each category a direct or indirect subcategory of MainIndex. Then we can really see whats there and consolidate. That being said, I already did some obvious cleanups along the way (like merging the Project and Projects categories). I miss for example the category Conferences and a related entry in the main index. The same for Marketing. Huh? MainIndex - Project - Markting - Conferences seems pretty straightforward to me. That being said those _are_ already listed on the frontpage. Best Regards, Bjoern -- === Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Wolf Frenkel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:38:44 +0100 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: it seems to be a good start but probably some more main categories are necessary. But then the question is if we need it at all or if a reworked main page would help to navigate in and through the wiki. Without categories, there will be an ever-growing number of obsolete, outdated and orphaned pages. This is not a problem for navigation from the main page, but it will make the search functionality of the wiki more and more useless. I think a common agreement on how to use categories and sub categories would be more helpful. Like: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/SOP/Wiki/Categories http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/SOP/Wiki/New_Wiki_Pages for starters? Yes, I think every new page should be in at least one category that is a project (or a subcategory of a project). Take a look for example on Tutorials. Clicking on the category shows a lot of tutorials and when you expand the node in the main index you get a sub category Basic:Tutorials. What does it mean, no other tutorials or only a different usage of categories? Looks confusing to me. Yeah, right. But I think ordering the categories is the second step, first we will need to get stuff into at least one category and make each category a direct or indirect subcategory of MainIndex. Then we can really see whats there and consolidate. That being said, I already did some obvious cleanups along the way (like merging the Project and Projects categories). I miss for example the category Conferences and a related entry in the main index. The same for Marketing. Huh? MainIndex - Project - Markting - Conferences seems pretty straightforward to me. That being said those _are_ already listed on the frontpage. ah i see, but Marketing is so important from my point of view that i wouldn't have searched under Project. Well but that is my personal problem with all the sub projects. For me it's still more natural to see the OpneOffice.org project with several main entry points independent of any sub project. Related to a MainIndex i would expect entry points like Development, Documentation, Marketing ... Juergen Best Regards, Bjoern - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Wiki Categories
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:59:28 +0100 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com wrote: bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany wrote: ah i see, but Marketing is so important from my point of view that i wouldn't have searched under Project. Well but that is my personal problem with all the sub projects. I dont think importance should play a role on the Index Page. Thats what the main page is for. The index should: - offer a structure to search for things in a hierarchy - allow to attribute reponsibility for content in the wiki For me it's still more natural to see the OpneOffice.org project with several main entry points independent of any sub project. Related to a MainIndex i would expect entry points like Development, Documentation, Marketing ... Development, Documentation and NLC are right on the toplevel because they contain so many subcategories themselves (15). Wiki is there because it contains important meta-information. However, Development is problematic in itself, as people use different definitions. Some use it for stuff doing development on top of OOo as a blackbox-framework via the API (Extensions, Basic macros etc.), while others use it for development on OOos internals itself. In the end this dilutes the category and its use. Good categories would seperate: - end users (category:enduser) - Developers using OOo as a blackbox platform (extensions, macros, etc.) (category:ApiDevelopment ?) - OOo internal development (category:CoreDevelopment ?) But its still a long way to get there. Best Regards, Bjoern -- === Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Wolf Frenkel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
