Re: [OSM-dev] Overlapping polygons - verboten or not?

2011-04-19 Thread steggink
Quoting the.promena...@gmail.com: One more question: I'm still trying to figure out how the OSM tile-rendering server loads its data - does it look first in 'relations', then to any related ways and nodes (top-down), or does it load all data indiscriminately based on geolocation? Che

[OSM-dev] Overlapping polygons - verboten or not?

2011-04-19 Thread the . promenader
One more question: I'm still trying to figure out how the OSM tile-rendering server loads its data - does it look first in 'relations', then to any related ways and nodes (top-down), or does it load all data indiscriminately based on geolocation? Cheers, Josef.

Re: [OSM-dev] Overlapping polygons - verboten or not?

2011-04-19 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, > Can someone point me to an explanation/discussion about whether > overlapping polygons are 'permitted' or not? I get a different answer > every place I look, and I need to get this question out of the way > before before I can even consider developing with OSM. Overlapping polygons are defin

[OSM-dev] Overlapping polygons - verboten or not?

2011-04-19 Thread the . promenader
A simple question: Can someone point me to an explanation/discussion about whether overlapping polygons are 'permitted' or not? I get a different answer every place I look, and I need to get this question out of the way before before I can even consider developing with OSM. Cheers, Josef. ___

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Igor Brejc
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ben Supnik wrote: > > But I do feel that the area as an OSM primitive is badly needed. Here >> even _with_ external semantics it is sometimes difficult to determine >> whether an OSM way represents a polyline or a closed polygon. >> > > Agreed 100%. :-) If we en

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Igor, Ah - now I get it. I would call these features perhaps "implicit features", and I agree that it's important not to try to make too much be explicit. The degenerate case would be creating a relation for the result of every possible spatial DB query. :-) At the same time, when it co

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Igor Brejc
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Ben Supnik wrote: > Hi Igor, > > > On 4/19/11 1:53 PM, Igor Brejc wrote: > > The way I plan to solve this is to leave to the user to tell the >> renderer what kind of a feature she wants to draw and how to >> construct the feature from OSM primitives. So for exam

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Igor, On 4/19/11 1:53 PM, Igor Brejc wrote: The way I plan to solve this is to leave to the user to tell the renderer what kind of a feature she wants to draw and how to construct the feature from OSM primitives. So for example: * "Draw me a road network using OSM ways tagged with highway=m

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Igor Brejc
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Ben Supnik wrote: > > Of course, it may _still_ be up to the renderer to decide when to connect > vs. not connect areas...I think under my distinctions here, the renderer > would have discretion in case 3 to 'merge or not merge' but in cases 1 and > 2, the correct

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, On 4/19/11 1:14 PM, Igor Brejc wrote: > I'm more and more convinced something better is needed: OSM primitives represent parts of the higher-level features and should be treated as such. Examples: * A collection of road ways represent a road graph/network. Graph vertices are

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Igor Brejc
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jukka Rahkonen < jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi> wrote: > > I would say that it is still rendered as an area but the fill is > transparent and only outline coloured. Which brings to my mind another > smallish problem with big real world area features which has been s

[OSM-dev] Hack Weekend Essen - June 10-12

2011-04-19 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, Earlier this month at FOSSGIS in Heidelberg there was quite some discussion around working with the full history planet and easier ways to work with historical OSM data through a 'history API'. Historical analysis becomes more important for OSM for visualization, analysis and retracing van

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Ben, > > On 04/19/11 13:29, Ben Supnik wrote: >>> You explain "building=yes" as meaning "is it filled?", when in reality >>> it is completely up to the renderer whether or not to fill an object >>> that is tagged to be a building. >> >> Wait, I don't think I agree with this.

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/19/11 13:59, Ben Supnik wrote: Right...I think the original poster and myself are advocating that a spatial notion of area be in the data model, but we are definitely NOT arguing to take visualization decision making away from a renderer. My main issue with the original poster was th

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Frederik, On 4/19/11 7:53 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It's a two-step thing. Of course you should be able to map the building and say "this is an area". But the renderer might *still* choose not to render it as an area (think e.g. of certain kinds of airspace which are areas but you will usually

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ben, On 04/19/11 13:29, Ben Supnik wrote: You explain "building=yes" as meaning "is it filled?", when in reality it is completely up to the renderer whether or not to fill an object that is tagged to be a building. Wait, I don't think I agree with this. That is, to me, the question of whether

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Frederik, On 4/19/11 4:13 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: You explain "building=yes" as meaning "is it filled?", when in reality it is completely up to the renderer whether or not to fill an object that is tagged to be a building. Wait, I don't think I agree with this. That is, to me, the questi

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/19/11 09:39, the.promena...@gmail.com wrote: I made yet another suggestion here - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ThePromenader/diary/13610 . Thanks for any input. Your suggestion does not suggest anything that has not already been written in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/T

[OSM-dev] Relation - Multipolygon = "Area"

2011-04-19 Thread the . promenader
Hello, I made yet another suggestion here - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ThePromenader/diary/13610 . Thanks for any input. Cheers, Josef. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev