[OSM-dev] another mapping application

2008-02-28 Thread Andreas Kemnade
Hi, I have some mapping stuff here which I want to make finally downloadable. Now that there is some free material for it, it is time to polish it a bit. Perhaps it is of use for other people, too. You can download a snapshot of mumpot at http://osm.andi.de1.cc1/mumpot-0.1.tar.gz It requires gtk

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Jason Reid
Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> *snip* > Indeed, though to help the original user out perhaps we can have a concerted > effort to get any deleted data returned. needs someone with a bit of time to > investigate properly. Have therefore copied to dev. > > Thread

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Robinson (blackadder) schrieb: |> The need for area-level revert is known and understood, we just never |> have enough programmers to do all the funky things that need doing... |> | Indeed, though to help the original user out perhaps we can have

[josm-dev] Audio user interface

2008-02-28 Thread Chris Morley
Being able to record a commentary hands-free while surveying and then use it in JOSM is a great liberation and a big advance by David Earl. But, like the rest of JOSM, it has been developed incrementally, which doesn't always make for the best user interface. So forgetting about the technical d

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 28 February 2008 9:37 AM >To: OSM Talk >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon > >David Ebling wrote: > >> I too am not going to spend much more time >> contributing to OSM unless someone comes up with a >> solution to this. As I said, I simply don't have the >>

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread 80n
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andy Robinson (blackadder) schrieb: > |> The need for area-level revert is known and understood, we just never > |> have enough programmers to do all the funky things

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 80n schrieb: | Sounds like we could need a stored procedure to undelete everything a | ~ given user deleted between 2 given timestamps. | | |> In this case, unless its accidental, it would be wise to revert *all* |> edits by the user responsible. I t

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > In this case, unless its accidental, it would be wise to revert > *all* edits by the user responsible. Wise? Really? It surely is one option but sounds rather draconian to me. Suddenly my OSM password becomes much more valuable than I thought it was because if someone deletes London

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 28.02.2008, at 10:49, Andy Robinson ((blackadder)) wrote: > As for improving the problem overall, I think perhaps a bounty is > needed? I can only speak for myself but I am always turned away by bounties. First of all I don't want to be seen as someone who only works if there's remun

Re: [OSM-dev] History of relations

2008-02-28 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Sven GrĂ¼ner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure if this a true error or I'm just doing somthing wrong, > because I can't imagine I'm the first one to try this. So I appologize > for the latter. You aren't the first - it's logged as #557 on trac.

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm schrieb: | Hi, | |> In this case, unless its accidental, it would be wise to revert *all* |> edits by the user responsible. | | Wise? Really? | | It surely is one option but sounds rather draconian to me. Suddenly my | OSM password become

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds like we could need a stored procedure to undelete everything a > ~ given user deleted between 2 given timestamps. Why on earth would you want to use a stored procedure? It's also not clear that such a broad

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the end we really need something like > the history-tab in wikipedia without breaking > referential integrity uppon restores. Once > accidents and vandalism becomes more common > there is not much of a way aroun

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Hughes schrieb: | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |> In the end we really need something like |> the history-tab in wikipedia without breaking |> referential integrity uppon restores. Once |> ac

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Hughes schrieb: > | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > |> In the end we really need something like > |> the history-tab in wikipedia without breaking > |

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Frederic: > I was thinking about a stored procedure > because for an undelete I saw > no requirement for complex logic and > quite some data to be accessed. > This is something databases are made > for and that they can optimize themself. > I could not see a need to transfer > the data to re

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm schrieb: | I agree that this would probably be the fastest way but I have a | personal dislike against stored procedures ;-) they're so out-of- | sight if you know what I mean. Yes, I can see that. Implementing it in application-code is

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Why to you suppose the editor give a changeset-api? > What about threating every upload as a new changeset > and make it transparent to the client? > This way all clients still work and they can implement > support for "get_history", "revert_changeset" and "get_changeset" > at any later time

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Marcus Wolschon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm schrieb: | The only thing I'd ask of editors is to support "create_changeset" | and then use the ID returned on subsequent edits. This, I believe, is | a small price to pay for the grouping advantages we would get. | Automatically creatin

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marcus Wolschon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frederik Ramm schrieb: > | The only thing I'd ask of editors is to support "create_changeset" > | and then use the ID returned on subsequent edits. This, I believe, is > | a small price to pay for the grouping adva

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > What about implicitely creating a new changeset if none is > given, so that a transition is smooth? I did suggest that on the Wiki page. > Can anyone suggest to handle the case of user B > editing entities that are edited in the changeset > of A before AND after the edit of B? Difficult b

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread bvh
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:44:06PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > The only thing I'd ask of editors is to support "create_changeset" > and then use the ID returned on subsequent edits. This, I believe, is > a small price to pay for the grouping advantages we would get. > Automatically creating

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > node a is initially at state a0 > - user X create_changeset 1 > - user X change node a to state a1 > - user Y create_changeset 2 > - user Y change node a to state a2 > - user Y close_changeset 2 > - user X change node a to state a3 > - user X close_changeset 1 > > Now revert changeset 2.

[OSM-dev] planet info

2008-02-28 Thread David Earl
How feasible would it be to put a set of attributes either on the top level element or an element created for the purpose which tells me how many nodes, ways and relations there are in the file. If you have the counts to hand at the beginning, great, but if not if you wrote '... nodecount="

Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code 2008, March 12 deadline

2008-02-28 Thread Gervase Markham
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > I will use: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code > as a starting point. Feel free to add ideas for projects to that page. From the Mozilla experience, I'd recommend having separate "Brainstorming" and official "Idea List" pages, with the GSoC

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Don't know how others feel about this. The whole "changeset" and > "rollback" complex is very high on my personal "next big thing I'll > tackle if time allows" list but I think it is of equal complexity > to the introduction of relations last year; it will probably >

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Trouble in Rangoon

2008-02-28 Thread Jason Reid
Jason Reid wrote: > Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > >> Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> >>> *snip* >>> >> Indeed, though to help the original user out perhaps we can have a concerted >> effort to get any deleted data returned. needs someone with a bit of time to >> investigate p

Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code 2008, March 12 deadline

2008-02-28 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Gervase Markham wrote: > Sebastian Spaeth wrote: >> I will use: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code >> as a starting point. Feel free to add ideas for projects to that page. > > From the Mozilla experience, I'd recommend having separate > "Brainstorming" and official

Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code 2008, March 12 deadline

2008-02-28 Thread Gervase Markham
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > Sounds reasonable, but I don't mind the brainstorming happening there > now. I can always put stuff away on the future ideas page, after/when > submitting us. The problem with that is that, when you register your organisation, you have to give them the URL of your Idea

Re: [OSM-dev] planet info

2008-02-28 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 12:27 +, David Earl wrote: > How feasible would it be to put a set of attributes either on the top > level element or an element created for the purpose which tells me how > many nodes, ways and relations there are in the file. If you have the > counts to hand at the b

Re: [OSM-dev] planet info

2008-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Jon, > It is more tricky than that unfortunately. The planet dump code streams > data to STDOUT. It can not simply seek back to the beginning. We have > similar disk space issues when generating the file so it gets piped > directly to gzip so again there is no trivial way to update the contents

Re: [OSM-dev] planet info

2008-02-28 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:09 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > With the gzip and bunzip2 formats, the following holds (quote form > manpage): > > > bunzip2 will correctly decompress a file which is the concatenation > > of two or more compressed files. The result is the concatenation of > > the corre

Re: [OSM-dev] planet info

2008-02-28 Thread Jason Reid
David Earl wrote: > How feasible would it be to put a set of attributes either on the top > level element or an element created for the purpose which tells me how > many nodes, ways and relations there are in the file. If you have the > counts to hand at the beginning, great, but if not if you w