[OSM-dev] world wide PBF exports corrupt
Hi there, it looks like all pbf export servers I know have no recent or corrupt pbf exports (small file size of 17gb or 6gb instead of 27gb): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm Is this a known issue of some export tool? Or do you know an alternative? (Also it looks like there are no daily export servers anymore?) Regards, Peter. -- GraphHopper.com - Fast Flexible Road Routing ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
I think I miss-read what was meant on the OSM front page. It reads We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. The closest use case I'm wanting OSM for is along the lines of routing and turn-by-turn application. Does the license OSM is using permit people to: 1) download OSM data into a local database2) combine (locally, not uploaded to OSM) additional free data-sets having compatible licenses3) Leverage proprietary for a fee use data that is not saved, but with compatible licenses4) Develop a new proprietary algorithms that utilizes said data5) Develop a new proprietary user interface for said data and algorithms with OSM branding/crediting displayed on said interface6) Earn money from the user interface7) Keep the finished product that also contains OSM private. I'm looking to avoid giving some other potential business person or company a copy of what I created. The more I read the OSM license, the more confused I became after possibly miss-understanding the heading of the front page of openstreetmap.com. How do you determine if my use case is accepted according to the license OSM is using? In http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/ Chapter 4 the license discusses Derivate Database. It makes a reference to Publicly Convey this Database. Convey in the dictionary reads transport or carry to a place. Does Chapter 4 mean my use case is approved of for that particular chapter since I am using the data in an app apposed to exposing the database as an offering in its entirety? ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] world wide PBF exports corrupt
From a size perspective the dumps here http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet/experimental/ look ok. Am 20.10.2014 00:04, schrieb Peter K: Hi there, it looks like all pbf export servers I know have no recent or corrupt pbf exports (small file size of 17gb or 6gb instead of 27gb): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm Is this a known issue of some export tool? Or do you know an alternative? (Also it looks like there are no daily export servers anymore?) Regards, Peter. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] world wide PBF exports corrupt
On 10/19/2014 3:04 PM, Peter K wrote: it looks like all pbf export servers I know have no recent or corrupt pbf exports (small file size of 17gb or 6gb instead of 27gb): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm Is this a known issue of some export tool? Or do you know an alternative? http://planet.openstreetmap.org/pbf/planet-141015.osm.pbf is 26GB, which looks normal to me. The mirrors are that - mirrors, not export servers. Before using the planet file, you can run Osmupdate[1] on it, which takes under an hour on most hardware and will give you an up to the hour version of the OpenStreetMap database. (Also it looks like there are no daily export servers anymore?) We've never had planet exports generated daily. If you need a complete planet file every day, the standard means is to download one and then update it every day, which uses far less bandwidth than downloading a new one. This is what is done for taginfo, and what external services like OSRM do. [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmupdate ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
Understood. My use case is prohibited. Remove the deception on the wiki.openstreetmap.com front page. It does not help the business because businesses succeed by way of customer service, respecting others, showing diginty, respect and morals. To refresh your memory, the first few lines of the page reads: Welcome to OpenStreetMap, the project that creates and distributes free geographic data for the world. We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification From: rich...@weait.com To: audiof...@outlook.com CC: dev@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification
I am surprised at Joel's summarization that the 7 step use case he listed in his original email is prohibited. If I were to show flight schedules obtained from flightstats.com on an OSM map from mapbox, will that be prohibited under odbl? What if I independently collect otherwise purchase data for open and close hours for a merchant store and show all that on a MapQuest open map? In both use cases above, I will have to take at least place coordinates, bounding boxes and also tags from OSM. Is that prohibited? Thanks. On Oct 19, 2014 9:10 PM, Joel ... audiof...@outlook.com wrote: Understood. My use case is prohibited. Remove the deception on the wiki.openstreetmap.com front page. It does not help the business because businesses succeed by way of customer service, respecting others, showing diginty, respect and morals. To refresh your memory, the first few lines of the page reads: *Welcome to OpenStreetMap*, the project that creates and distributes free http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright geographic data for the world. We started it because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Looking for OSM Licensing Clarification From: rich...@weait.com To: audiof...@outlook.com CC: dev@openstreetmap.org The OpenStreetMap license ODbL is what is known as a Share Alike license. In that class of licenses, one is granted more permissions when one shares and shares alike. If, on the other hand, one wishes to keep things for ones exclusive benefit, ones permissions are more limited, perhaps even to a null set. Again, in very broad terms, one has more freedom if one uses the OpenStreetMap data without changing it. Combining OpenStreetMap data with other non-OpenStreetMap data sets, is an area where the obligations to share are deliberately strong. The details matter in this subject area, and it is a benefit for you to understand your obligations from the start. Please consider giving more details and holding further discussion on the legal-talk@ mailing list[1], which is the ideal location for this topic. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[josm-dev] Undelete
Hi, I have added code to the OSM API that supports a /deleted API call with a syntax equal to the /map call, just returning deleted objects in the bounding box. The aim is to use this for an undelete feature. In order to verify that what I'm doing makes sense, I'd like to code such an undelete feature for JOSM. It would roughly have to do the following: * Make deleted call against API. This call will return a number of deleted objects (e.g. way id=1 visible=false version=2) which will neither have tags nor members or coordinates. In addition, the call will also return the previous, not-deleted version of every object, as well as all linked objects (i.e. nodes for a deleted way) even if those have not been deleted. * Display deleted objects in separate layer. * Allow user to copy stuff from separate layer into a normal data layer, thereby undeleting them. * When undeleting, even though version X is being shown, JOSM will have to use version X+1 on upload since that is the current version on the API. I haven't kept track of JOSM development in the last few years, so you could help me a lot by pointing me in the right directions. Would it make sense to piggyback this on e.g. the changeset reverter plugin or something else that does similiar things? When copying a way from one layer to another layer, will required nodes be copied with it? What if a required node exists in the target layer already? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Undelete
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014, Frederik Ramm wrote: I haven't kept track of JOSM development in the last few years, so you could help me a lot by pointing me in the right directions. Would it make sense to piggyback this on e.g. the changeset reverter plugin or something else that does similiar things? Sounds much like an improvement to undelete plugin to me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Undelete Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Undelete
Yep. And code of this plugin is better than reverter, which is an unmaintained mess. Concerning JOSM develoment, I'd like to highlight: - we are in stabilization phase, so be careful this week, and please, no new strings: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/Schedule - there's a continuous integration server, check you don't break tests: http://donvip.fr/jenkins/job/JOSM - there's also a Sonar instance used to improve our metrics (that means essentially, write Javadoc for all public APIs, minimize duplicated code): http://donvip.fr/sonar/dashboard/index/josm 2014-10-19 23:48 GMT+02:00 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: On Sun, 19 Oct 2014, Frederik Ramm wrote: I haven't kept track of JOSM development in the last few years, so you could help me a lot by pointing me in the right directions. Would it make sense to piggyback this on e.g. the changeset reverter plugin or something else that does similiar things? Sounds much like an improvement to undelete plugin to me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Undelete Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
